The Hawksquawk Mock Off-season Contest

[AHF]

16 hours ago, NBASupes said:

I disagree. He was elite in terms of impact. He lead the Hawks to their first ECF since Pettit. He lead Boston to back to back ECF appearances and took it to LeBron but he's not elite. Get the f*** outta here man, you know how I feel about Horford. I almost feel you are insulting my intelligence when you go at his impact and presence on the game. Brad Stevens knows. NBA coaches throughout the league knows. Travis knows. Elton knows. I know. Sorry if you don't. 

Don't think you should take this so personally, Supes.  Horford is someone all of us have watched closely during his career and we all have strong opinions on his value.

Reasonable minds can differ on whether he was the guy "leading" those teams or was an important contributor on them.   

In my own view, he was a very important piece of the puzzle but not a guy the team was built around.  He joined a 48 win team and played a key part in improving them to a 53 win team but it wasn't a Shaq joining Miami impact or something like that where he became "the guy."  

2016-17

Isaiah Thomas 26.5 PER, 12.5 WS, 6.7 BPM, 28.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.9 apg

Al Horford 17.7 PER, 6.3 WS, 3.4 BPM, 14.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 5.0 apg

Jae Crowder 14.9 PER, 6.7 WS, 0.9 BPM, 13.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2.2 apg

2017-18

Kyrie Irving 25.0 PER, 8.9 WS, 7.3 BPM, 24.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 5.1 apg

Al Horford 17.6 PER, 7.8 WS, 4.4 BPM, 12.9 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 4.7 apg

Jayson Tatum 15.3 PER, 7.3 WS, 1.2 BPM, 13.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.6 apg

 

Where things get subjective, my take is:

Remove Horford from those teams and they probably win high 40's and make the second round of the playoffs.

Remove IT / Kyrie and they probably win a few fewer games than that and squeak into the playoffs to bow out quietly.  

[NBASupes]

Just now, AHF said:

Don't think you should take this so personally, Supes.  Horford is someone all of us have watched closely during his career and we all have strong opinions on his value.

Reasonable minds can differ on whether he was the guy "leading" those teams or was an important contributor on them.   

In my own view, he was a very important piece of the puzzle but not a guy the team was built around.  He joined a 48 win team and played a key part in improving them to a 53 win team but it wasn't a Shaq joining Miami impact or something like that where he became "the guy."  

2016-17

Isaiah Thomas 26.5 PER, 12.5 WS, 6.7 BPM, 28.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.9 apg

Al Horford 17.7 PER, 6.3 WS, 3.4 BPM, 14.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 5.0 apg

Jae Crowder 14.9 PER, 6.7 WS, 0.9 BPM, 13.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2.2 apg

2017-18

Kyrie Irving 25.0 PER, 8.9 WS, 7.3 BPM, 24.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 5.1 apg

Al Horford 17.6 PER, 7.8 WS, 4.4 BPM, 12.9 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 4.7 apg

Jayson Tatum 15.3 PER, 7.3 WS, 1.2 BPM, 13.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.6 apg

 

Where things get subjective, my take is:

Remove Horford from those teams and they probably win high 40's and make the second round of the playoffs.

Remove IT / Kyrie and they probably win a few fewer games than that and squeak into the playoffs to bow out quietly.  

IT was just a scorer, Al was the best player. Kyrie didn't even play in those playoffs. He was the best player and most important leading factor for the Hawks making our first ECF in Atlanta in our Atlanta history. Why do we feel the need to dog out Al because he's not this statistical monster, he's an impact monster. 

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

he's an impact monster. 

I’d say “was” to some degree for sure. Those days are well behind him. 

[NBASupes]

24 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I’d say “was” to some degree for sure. Those days are well behind him. 

He's not an impact monster anymore but he's still a high impact player for sure. Those impact monster days are gone. 

[AHF]

36 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

IT was just a scorer, Al was the best player. Kyrie didn't even play in those playoffs. He was the best player and most important leading factor for the Hawks making our first ECF in Atlanta in our Atlanta history. Why do we feel the need to dog out Al because he's not this statistical monster, he's an impact monster. 

I don’t think I’m dogging Al at all.  Giving him his due as a key cog in the machine.  Machine doesn’t work nearly as well without him but nobody builds a machine to feature Al.

Al was the best of a well balanced group of contributors in the 2017-18 postseason:

 

 

[NBASupes]

4 minutes ago, AHF said:

I don’t think I’m dogging Al at all.  Giving him his due as a key cog in the machine.  Machine doesn’t work nearly as well without him but nobody builds a machine to feature Al.

I know that but i just feel like people don't give him his fair due because they don't see 25/12. 

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I know that but i just feel like people don't give him his fair due because they don't see 25/12. 

I’d say that few people don’t view him as having been an important part of Atlanta’s or Boston’s playoff success.  I just think of him as more of a stud ensemble piece as opposed to a leader in the sense that people think about guys like Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, etc. leading teams to impactful playoff runs.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

I know that but i just feel like people don't give him his fair due because they don't see 25/12. 

I've always said Al is a key piece just not THE KEY piece you portray him to be. 

 

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, AHF said:

I don’t think I’m dogging Al at all.  Giving him his due as a key cog in the machine.  Machine doesn’t work nearly as well without him but nobody builds a machine to feature Al.

Al was the best of a well balanced group of contributors in the 2017-18 postseason:

 

 

All this tells me is you have been stalking Marcus Smart. 

[AHF]

58 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

All this tells me is you have been stalking Marcus Smart. 

He is a hard player to assess for me.  Interesting case.  Can't fully decide if I like him or not.

[terrell]

4 hours ago, NBASupes said:

IT was just a scorer, Al was the best player. Kyrie didn't even play in those playoffs. He was the best player and most important leading factor for the Hawks making our first ECF in Atlanta in our Atlanta history. Why do we feel the need to dog out Al because he's not this statistical monster, he's an impact monster. 

I agree he had a big impact on the Hawks back then...BUT that was Years ago..Hes not the same player imo..

Edited August 17, 2020 by terrell

[capstone21]

I actually would like to have Al with his defense, jump shot, leadership and vet presence on our bench 

I think it would be very valuable ... I just don’t like his contract 

[terrell]

5 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

I actually would like to have Al with his defense, jump shot, leadership and vet presence on our bench 

I think it would be very valuable ... I just don’t like his contract 

MIght as well trade for Jrue Holiday..I think hed have just as much impact or more than AL..And his contract is 1 yr shorter. lol

[JayBirdHawk]

11 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

I actually would like to have Al with his defense, jump shot, leadership and vet presence on our bench 

I think it would be very valuable ... I just don’t like his contract 

[capstone21]

2 hours ago, terrell said:

MIght as well trade for Jrue Holiday..I think hed have just as much impact or more than AL..And his contract is 1 yr shorter. lol

I think Jrue is a perfect fit here ... I just think he will leave after a season

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, terrell said:

MIght as well trade for Jrue Holiday..I think hed have just as much impact or more than AL..And his contract is 1 yr shorter. lol

 

4 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

I think Jrue is a perfect fit here ... I just think he will leave after a season

OKC 2022 1st for Jrue.

[nathan2331]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

OKC 2022 1st for Jrue.

If the Pelicans would do that, it's a steal even with no guarantee we can resign him.

[AHF]

13 hours ago, nathan2331 said:

If the Pelicans would do that, it's a steal even with no guarantee we can resign him.

Odds of that pick never conveying are pretty good.  I don't place a high value on it either.  If we hold it, hopefully we get lucky but...

[Vol4ever]

On 8/14/2020 at 9:29 AM, NBASupes said:

Hello, 

Welcome to the Hawks off-season contest. Let's see who can come with the closest off-season to the real thing. Note, this will be hard af so anyone can win. Let's start: 

Hawks Mock Off-season
1. I will post our roster
2. Do to tankathon mock draft simulation. You can change the players picked but do not change the order they gave you after your first sim. 
3. Post your trades before the draft - All Teams plus Hawks separate. 
4. Do your FA signings 
5. What's your opening day squad look like? 

PG - Trae (34/48 mpg)

SG - Cam or Kevin or Hunter (82/96 mpg)

SF - Cam or Kevin or Hunter (82/96 mpg)

PF - Collins (32/48 mpg)

C - Capela (26/48 mpg)

6th man - Cam or Kevin or Hunter (82/96 mpg)

7th man - Dewayne Dedmon(20/48 mpg)

8th man - Key Vet (16/96 mpg)

9th man - Rotational (14/96 mpg)

10th man - Rotational (14/96 mpg)

11th man - Back of the Rotation (2/48 mpg)

12th man - Back of the Rotation (0/48 mpg)

13th man - Back of the Rotation (0/48 mpg)

14th man - Highly likely Skal (0/48 mpg)

15th man - Bruno (0/48 mpg)

Pre-draft trades: 

Hawks: 

Trade 1: Delon Wright for Dewayne Dedmon

Why: We need a two way backup PG, they need a center and want to clear more cap for 2021 as Burke has outplayed Wright is a min player. Easy deal for both teams. 

Trade 2: Enes Kanter, #14 overall pick for cash considerations (6 million), OKC 1st 2021 and a TPE for Kanter

Why: Boston is 3.8 mil over the LT for 115 million cap and if it's now 109, they are 9.9 million over. They get a future 1st in a strong draft that could convert, 6 million for their LT bill, and Kanter's shaves 5 million from their bill as well. They still have three picks in this draft. Kanter will be moved in the next deal.

Trade 3: Al Horford, #24 overall pick for Enes Kanter

Gets us another high caliber starter level player in Horford who will be our backup 5/4 in a perfect fit system. The late 1st rounder is due this his 90 million dollars left on his contract to fulfill at his age.

Others: 
DET - Blake Griffin, Tony Snell for CHA - Batum and Zeller
MIN - 1st overall pick for NYK - 7th overall pick, Knicks 1st 2021 (top 10 protected - 2021-2022, top 5 2023-24, unprotected 2025) Dallas 1st rounders 2021 and 2023. 
Brooklyn - Dinwiddle and Prince for SAC Buddy Hield
CHI trades Thad Young to ORL for Aminu

Trade - 1    MIN to NYK
LaMelo Ball
PG | Illawarra
6'7"
190 lbs
International
18.9 yrs
19.6 PTS    8.7 REB    7.9 AST    0.1 BLK    1.8 STL    

2    DET    
Anthony Edwards
SG | Georgia
6'5"
225 lbs
Freshman
19.0 yrs
20.8 PTS    5.7 REB    3.1 AST    0.6 BLK    1.5 STL

3    WAS    
James Wiseman
C | Memphis
7'1"
237 lbs
Freshman
19.4 yrs
30.8 PTS    16.7 REB    0.5 AST    4.7 BLK    0.5 STL

4    CLE
Obi Toppin
PF | Dayton
6'9"
220 lbs
Sophomore
22.4 yrs
22.8 PTS    8.6 REB    2.5 AST    1.4 BLK    1.1 STL    

5    GS    
Onyeka Okongwu
PF/C | USC
6'9"
245 lbs
Freshman
19.7 yrs
19.0 PTS    10.2 REB    1.3 AST    3.2 BLK    1.4 STL

6    ATL    
Isaac Okoro
SF | Auburn
6'6"
225 lbs
Freshman
19.5 yrs
14.7 PTS    5.1 REB    2.3 AST    1.0 BLK    1.1 STL

7    NY to MIN
Deni Avdija
SF | Maccabi Tel Aviv
6'9"
215 lbs
International
19.6 yrs
15.0 PTS    7.7 REB    3.3 AST    1.1 BLK    1.1 STL

8    CHI

Tyrese Haliburton
PG | Iowa State
6'5"
175 lbs
Sophomore
20.5 yrs
14.9 PTS    5.8 REB    6.3 AST    0.7 BLK    2.4 STL    

9    CHA    
Devin Vassell
SG/SF | Florida State
6'7"
194 lbs
Sophomore
19.9 yrs
15.9 PTS    6.3 REB    2.0 AST    1.2 BLK    1.8 STL

10    NO    
Aaron Nesmith
SF | Vanderbilt
6'6"
213 lbs
Sophomore
20.8 yrs
23.2 PTS    4.9 REB    0.9 AST    0.9 BLK    1.4 STL

11    SAC    
Precious Achiuwa
PF | Memphis
6'9"
223 lbs
Freshman
20.9 yrs
18.7 PTS    12.8 REB    1.1 AST    2.2 BLK    1.3 STL

12    SA    
Patrick Williams
F | Florida State
6'8"
225 lbs
Freshman
19.0 yrs
14.8 PTS    6.4 REB    1.6 AST    1.7 BLK    1.6 STL

    
13    PHX

RJ Hampton
SG/PG | NZ Breakers
6'5"
188 lbs
International
19.5 yrs
15.4 PTS    6.8 REB    4.2 AST    0.6 BLK    1.9 STL
    

14    BOS to ATL

Killian Hayes
PG/SG | Ratiopharm Ulm
6'5"
187 lbs
International
19.0 yrs
16.8 PTS    4.1 REB    7.8 AST    0.4 BLK    2.1 STL

15    ORL    

Cole Anthony
PG | North Carolina
6'3"
184 lbs
Freshman
20.2 yrs
19.1 PTS    5.9 REB    4.1 AST    0.3 BLK    1.4 STL

16    POR
    
Saddiq Bey
SF | Villanova
6'8"
216 lbs
Sophomore
21.3 yrs
17.1 PTS    5.0 REB    2.5 AST    0.4 BLK    0.8 STL

17    MIN    
Kira Lewis Jr.
PG | Alabama
6'3"
165 lbs
Sophomore
19.4 yrs
17.7 PTS    4.6 REB    5.0 AST    0.6 BLK    1.7 STL

18    DAL    
Aleksej Pokuševski
PF | Olympiacos B
7'0"
201 lbs
International
18.6 yrs
16.7 PTS    12.2 REB    4.8 AST    2.8 BLK    2.0 STL

19    BKN    
Josh Green
SG | Arizona
6'6"
206 lbs
Freshman
19.7 yrs
14.0 PTS    5.3 REB    3.0 AST    0.5 BLK    1.8 STL
20    MIA    

21    UTA    
Theo Maledon
PG | ASVEL
6'4"
174 lbs
International
19.2 yrs
15.1 PTS    4.0 REB    5.6 AST    0.3 BLK    0.9 STL

22    MIL    

Jalen Smith
PF | Maryland
6'10"
225 lbs
Sophomore
20.4 yrs
17.8 PTS    12.1 REB    0.9 AST    2.7 BLK    0.8 STL

23    DEN    

Tyrese Maxey
SG | Kentucky
6'3"
198 lbs
Freshman
19.8 yrs
14.6 PTS    4.5 REB    3.3 AST    0.4 BLK    0.9 STL

24    PHI to ATL

Xavier Tillman
C | Michigan State
6'9"
245 lbs
Junior
21.6 yrs
15.4 PTS    11.6 REB    3.4 AST    2.4 BLK    1.3 STL

25    OKC    
Tyrell Terry
PG | Stanford
6'1"
160 lbs
Freshman
19.9 yrs
16.2 PTS    5.0 REB    3.5 AST    0.1 BLK    1.5 STL

26    BOS

Leandro Bolmaro
SG | FC Barcelona
6'7"
180 lbs
International
19.9 yrs
16.7 PTS    3.3 REB    5.3 AST    0.3 BLK    2.4 STL    

27    NY    
Jaden McDaniels
SF | Washington
6'10"
184 lbs
Freshman
19.9 yrs
15.0 PTS    6.7 REB    2.4 AST    1.6 BLK    0.9 STL

28    LAL    
Tre Jones
PG | Duke
6'2.5"
185 lbs
Sophomore
20.6 yrs
16.5 PTS    4.3 REB    6.5 AST    0.4 BLK    1.8 STL

29    TOR    
Isaiah Stewart
PF | Washington
6'9"
245 lbs
Freshman
19.2 yrs
19.0 PTS    9.8 REB    0.9 AST    2.3 BLK    0.6 STL

30    BOS    
Vernon Carey Jr.
C | Duke
6'10"
265 lbs
Freshman
19.5 yrs
25.7 PTS    12.7 REB    1.4 AST    2.3 BLK    1.0 STL

31    DAL    
Zeke Nnaji
C | Arizona
6'11"
240 lbs
Freshman
19.6 yrs
18.9 PTS    10.1 REB    1.0 AST    1.0 BLK    0.8 STL

32    CHA    
Jahmi'us Ramsey
SG | Texas Tech
6'4"
195 lbs
Freshman
19.2 yrs
17.4 PTS    4.6 REB    2.6 AST    0.8 BLK    1.5 STL

33    MIN    
Robert Woodard II
SF | Mississippi State
6'7"
230 lbs
Sophomore
20.9 yrs
12.4 PTS    7.1 REB    1.4 AST    1.1 BLK    1.2 STL

34    PHI    
Desmond Bane
SG | TCU
6'5"
215 lbs
Senior
22.1 yrs
16.6 PTS    6.3 REB    3.9 AST    0.5 BLK    1.5 STL

35    SAC    

Nico Mannion
PG | Arizona
6'3"
179 lbs
Freshman
19.4 yrs
15.6 PTS    2.8 REB    5.9 AST    0.0 BLK    1.3 STL

36    PHI    
Daniel Oturu
C | Minnesota
6'10"
240 lbs
Sophomore
20.9 yrs
21.4 PTS    12.0 REB    1.2 AST    2.6 BLK    0.6 STL

37    WAS    

Tyler Bey
SF | Colorado
6'7"
216 lbs
Junior
22.5 yrs
17.2 PTS    11.2 REB    1.8 AST    1.4 BLK    1.9 STL

38    NO    
Cassius Stanley
SG | Duke
6'6"
193 lbs
Freshman
20.9 yrs
16.5 PTS    6.4 REB    1.4 AST    0.9 BLK    0.9 STL
39    NY    
Udoka Azubuike
C | Kansas
7'0"
274 lbs
Senior
20.9 yrs
17.9 PTS    13.6 REB    1.2 AST    3.4 BLK    0.6 STL
40    NO    
Grant Riller
PG/SG | Charleston
6'3"
190 lbs
Senior
23.5 yrs
23.5 PTS    5.5 REB    4.2 AST    0.3 BLK    1.7 STL

41    SAC

Devon Dotson
PG | Kansas
6'2"
179 lbs
Sophomore
21.0 yrs
18.7 PTS    4.2 REB    4.1 AST    0.1 BLK    2.2 STL

    
42    SA    
Reggie Perry
PF | Mississippi State
6'10"
250 lbs
Sophomore
20.4 yrs
20.1 PTS    11.7 REB    2.7 AST    1.3 BLK    1.0 STL
43    ORL    
Paul Reed
PF | DePaul
6'9"
220 lbs
Junior
21.2 yrs
17.2 PTS    12.2 REB    1.8 AST    2.9 BLK    2.1 STL
44    CHI    
Jordan Nwora
SF | Louisville
6'7.5"
220 lbs
Junior
21.9 yrs
19.6 PTS    8.4 REB    1.4 AST    0.3 BLK    0.8 STL
45    MEM    
Elijah Hughes
SG/SF | Syracuse
6'6"
215 lbs
Junior
22.4 yrs
18.7 PTS    4.8 REB    3.3 AST    0.8 BLK    1.1 STL
46    POR    
Killian Tillie
PF/C | Gonzaga
6'10"
220 lbs
Senior
22.4 yrs
19.9 PTS    7.3 REB    2.7 AST    1.2 BLK    1.5 STL
47    BOS    

Skylar Mays
SG | LSU
6'4"
205 lbs
Senior
22.8 yrs
17.4 PTS    5.3 REB    3.4 AST    0.2 BLK    1.9 STL

48    GS    
Malachi Flynn
PG | San Diego State
6'1"
185 lbs
Junior
22.3 yrs
19.0 PTS    4.8 REB    5.5 AST    0.1 BLK    1.9 STL
49    PHI    
Cassius Winston
PG | Michigan State
6'1"
185 lbs
Senior
22.5 yrs
20.5 PTS    2.8 REB    6.5 AST    0.0 BLK    1.3 STL
50    IND    

Payton Pritchard
PG | Oregon
6'2"
190 lbs
Senior
22.5 yrs
20.1 PTS    4.3 REB    5.5 AST    0.0 BLK    1.5 STL

51    GS    
Nick Richards
C | Kentucky
6'11"
247 lbs
Junior
22.7 yrs
17.0 PTS    9.4 REB    0.3 AST    2.6 BLK    0.1 STL
52    SAC    
Yam Madar
PG | Hapoel Tel Aviv
6'3"
180 lbs
International
19.6 yrs
14.9 PTS    3.6 REB    5.0 AST    0.3 BLK    1.5 STL
53    OKC    
Markus Howard
PG | Marquette
5'11"
175 lbs
Senior
21.4 yrs
30.1 PTS    3.8 REB    3.6 AST    0.0 BLK    1.0 STL

54    ATL    - Two way contract
Sam Merrill
SG | Utah State
6'5"
205 lbs
Senior
24.2 yrs
20.2 PTS    4.2 REB    4.0 AST    0.1 BLK    0.9 STL
55    BKN    
Ashton Hagans
PG | Kentucky
6'3"
198 lbs
Sophomore
21.1 yrs
12.5 PTS    4.2 REB    6.9 AST    0.2 BLK    2.1 STL
56    CHA    
Kaleb Wesson
C | Ohio State
6'9"
270 lbs
Junior
21.0 yrs
17.1 PTS    11.3 REB    2.4 AST    1.2 BLK    0.9 STL
57    LAC    
Kenyon Martin Jr.
SF | IMG Academy
6'6"
215 lbs
HS Postgrad
19.6 yrs
58    TOR

Immanuel Quickley
SG | Kentucky
6'3"
188 lbs
Sophomore
21.2 yrs
17.5 PTS    4.6 REB    2.0 AST    0.1 BLK    1.0 STL    

59    PHI    

Abdoulaye N'Doye
PG | Cholet
6'6"
205 lbs
International
22.4 yrs
11.9 PTS    5.0 REB    4.6 AST    0.4 BLK    1.4 STL

60    NO    
Myles Powell
PG | Seton Hall
6'2"
195 lbs
Senior
23.1 yrs
24.0 PTS    4.9 REB    3.3 AST    0.2 BLK    1.4 STL

Free Agency - 

Sign E'twaun Moore - 3 years - 18 million descending deal. 

QC for Skal and he resigns for one year. 

Everyone else is gone. 

That's it! 

PG - Trae (34/48 mpg)

SG - Cam or Kevin or Hunter (82/96 mpg)

SF - Cam or Kevin or Hunter (82/96 mpg)

PF - Collins (32/48 mpg)

C - Capela (26/48 mpg)

6th man - Cam or Kevin or Hunter (82/96 mpg)

7th man - Al Horford (26/48 mpg)

8th man - E'twaun Moore (14/96 mpg)

9th man - Delon Wright (10/96 mpg)

10th man - Isaac Okoro (10/96 mpg)

11th man - Killian Hayes (6/48 mpg)

12th man - Skal (0/48 mpg)

13th man - Xavier Tillman (0/48 mpg) - A lot of time in CP

14th man - Bruno (0/48 mpg) - A lot, lotta of time in CP

15th man - Open spot 

Two way contracts - Sam Merrill our 2nd rounder who's going to be in CP and someone else that TS likes. 

Projection - 54-28, 4th seed

Eastern Conf playoffs. 

1. Milwaukee - 61-21
2. Brooklyn - 60-22
3. Toronto - 55-27
4. Atlanta - 54-28
5. Boston - 53-29
6. Miami - 52-30
7. Indy - 50-32
8. Philly - 50-32

No one else will have a winning record in the east. 9th seed will be Washington and they will be 40-42. 

My projection for the Hawks is 40 wins to 54 wins. 

Three big things for the Hawks into 2020:

1. Get a star bench player. Al Horford is a star bench player to me. He makes everyone better. Without this, the bench could be looking like one of our young aces and a bunch of okay and young bench pieces. That won't cut it. We need a star bench player. Examples: Harrell, Joe Harris, Zack LaVine, Evan F. Basically, a legit good starter who's basically a 6th starter. The difference in wins is 10 games. Worth 44-54 wins. This will make my projected bench go from decent which is miles better than last year to one of the best in the NBA right there with Toronto and Dallas if not better and clearly more talented. 

2. Cam Reddish must be at least average as a Basketball player next year considering his insane talent and skill. We all know Cam will be produce considering he improved to below average after DEC and became one of the best PPT players in the NBA. We need to see another major jump from him. If he does like John and skips two levels going into his Soph year, watch out! We could be really really good next year. Cam stays the same 40 wins, improves to average 44 wins. I am not expecting too much improvement from John and Kevin. I am expecting a comfort jump from Hunter and a major jump from Trae as well.  

3. Everyone must improve like we did in LP's first year. It's that simple, every must he better or else - 36-44 wins max no matter what we do.
 

Dang i.will have to read all that later tonight.  

[marco102]

3 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

Dang i.will have to read all that later tonight.  

There are cliff notes in supes response to me.