The Mega Super Rumor Thread (Part 2)

[kg01]

19 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Let’s get it going. I got great wallpaper here too.  

And we definitely will post your nude pool plunge once it's up.  I know such a thing is frowned upon in this establishment.

[JeffS17]

Regardless of further FA/trade activity, this has to be a do or die season for Nate

[willthepureshooter]

59 minutes ago, terrell said:

 

 

58 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

So uuum, about Chris saying this: 

 

 

These are my real life buddies playing a prank on our boy Hendo

[Gray Mule]

With all the (good) problems that we now have with overcrowding I wonder what we will do with two new small forward players - - Tyrese Martin - 6'6" and A J Griffin - 6'6" along with our 6'1" Point Guard - Sharife Cooper and our 6'8" PF - Jalen Johnson.  

Does the Hawks have enough free agents leaving to make room?  I would love to watch these four young men have a go at being regular players for Atlanta.  We appear to be headed for the "win now" mode.  Still, wouldn't it be wonderful if these four got to play and they all end up playing really great!

[GameTime]

We have the best Ayton package

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, Gray Mule said:

With all the (good) problems that we now have with overcrowding I wonder what we will do with two new small forward players - - Tyrese Martin - 6'6" and A J Griffin - 6'6" along with our 6'1" Point Guard - Sharife Cooper and our 6'8" PF - Jalen Johnson.  

Does the Hawks have enough free agents leaving to make room?  I would love to watch these four young men have a go at being regular players for Atlanta.  We appear to be headed for the "win now" mode.  Still, wouldn't it be wonderful if these four got to play and they all end up playing really great!

Our current guaranteed players:

Trae,

Murray, Bogi

Hunter, Huerter, Griffin

Collings, JJ

CC, OO

[sturt]

2 hours ago, Final_quest said:

I do not think we are in Finals or Bust mode.  Our top two players now are 24 and 26.  (a) Murray has two years left on his deal, but we will control his bird rights beyond that.  

(b) I just don't see these next two years as our only window.  Not at all.  

Just got sat down from an all-morning road trip, and catching up...........

 

(a) I think what's assumed, but shouldn't be, in that analysis is that Murray ends up being 2021-22 Murray, and not something more like his previous 4 playing seasons, or worse, more like his one lost season to injury.

You're assuming we'll resign the guy, but if we fail to make the NBA Finals in these next two years and he didn't prove to be the asset that he's expected to be, that's a recipe for a whole new re-calibration.

Everyone is happy happy right now, and good vibes are flowing, of course... which is great... I'm happy too. I'm happy, though, for the specific reason that I believe this franchise might be on the verge of its most significant and rewarding outcomes ever... if there is disappointment, that's going to have ramifications.

 

(b) I agree that I don't see these next two years as our only window, in the sense that, as you've suggested, these guys are so young... but given what I just said above, I suggest that any additional window depends on big success in these next two years, otherwise there's going to be another overhaul. In other words, if this turns out well this season or next, then there's every reason to believe that the window will be extended; and if not, there's every reason to believe that Ressler will again press his FO to reshuffle the deck...

(c) And you know how the NBA works... it's always plausible in a worst-case scenario that the owner decides he needs to overhaul his front office if he's not gotten the results he's wanted... and/or... that Schlenk would feel it's that time in his career to jump ship.

 

[GameTime]

 

[MarylandHawk]

1 minute ago, Gray Mule said:

With all the (good) problems that we now have with overcrowding I wonder what we will do with two new small forward players - - Tyrese Martin - 6'6" and A J Griffin - 6'6" along with our 6'1" Point Guard - Sharife Cooper and our 6'8" PF - Jalen Johnson.  

Does the Hawks have enough free agents leaving to make room?  I would love to watch these four young men have a go at being regular players for Atlanta.  We appear to be headed for the "win now" mode.  Still, wouldn't it be wonderful if these four got to play and they all end up playing really great!

I think it is crucial for these guys to get minutes and develop even if we are competing for a chip. Especially since we have traded away multiple first rounders. It is important that the roster have guys on rookie deals that play well so they team will always have some financial balance. Plus I think they are really good players. 

[MarylandHawk]

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Our current guaranteed players:

Trae,

Murray, Bogi

Hunter, Huerter, Griffin

Collings, JJ

CC, OO

Didn’t we extend a qualifying offer ti Sharife?

[RandomFan]

 

[akay]

Just now, RandomFan said:

 

Unfortunate he didn't get to play more, seemed pretty solid whenever he got a chance.

His next team should be getting him for cheap and will be surprised at just how good he is. Should've taken every Lou minute this year.

 

Also, is Cooper looking like Trae's backup this year? Because that would work out pretty well offensively. Defensively, can't get much worse than Trae...

[JayBirdHawk]

5 minutes ago, MarylandHawk said:

Didn’t we extend a qualifying offer ti Sharife?

I forget how the RFA works for a 2way player

[RandomFan]

1 minute ago, akay said:

Unfortunate he didn't get to play more, seemed pretty solid whenever he got a chance.

His next team should be getting him for cheap and will be surprised at just how good he is. Should've taken every Lou minute this year.

 

Also, is Cooper looking like Trae's backup this year? Because that would work out pretty well offensively. Defensively, can't get much worse than Trae...

Trae and Murray should eat up all the PG minutes. Would expect Sharife to be 3rd string. 

[sturt]

11 hours ago, akay said:

What production from Collins do you expect we'll miss? 

We'll definitely miss his shooting, but spending $25 mil on a stretch 4 when they don't get used all that well doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Whatever we do to replace John, I'm not really worried about the team falling off much from losing him.

He's a great complimentary piece, and perhaps if we had a bigger and stronger defensive 5, John could be a core piece, but he's shown that he's not necessary for us to win games.

JC the person is wonderful and I never want him to leave, JC the player is good, but has to be on a team where his strengths are amplified, and it's not really fair to him to keep making him play some limbo role where he doesn't have things called for him.

My point being, I think we are fine if we trade him, fine if we don't. We get some more flexibility that Travis and Landry can use to fill out the roster, or we can run it back hoping for good health + Murray.

My only concern with running it back is how unhealthy this team is, and trying to hope we can avoid the random tweaks and wear and tear of the season is unrealistic 

We're not on the same planet.

Suffice it to say, when it was understood that our second best player on the roster was severely injured, I (and I wasn't alone of course) acquiesced to the conclusion that there wasn't any way for us to even make it out of a first round of the playoffs.

He doesn't stand out to you perhaps because he does many things well, but nothing elite. But the sum total of his contribution is the second most important contribution to our .653 record under Nate.

And I add that I think it's been too easy to look at the new toy and underappreciate the toy you gave up for that new toy. Gallo was huge for us. Murray might be huge-r. Hopefully so. But it's possible that we've all (me included) become so used to the idea that we were going to lose Gallo somehow someway anyhow, that we began to disregard what he brought to this rotation.

If we lose both Gallo and JC, it's hard to overstate what a void is left there.

Finally, zooming out further... almost no one seems to talk about how disruptive all this may turn out to be to what chemistry this roster had among them. Schlenk more or less promised there wasn't an overhaul intended when he spoke to Kirschner a few weeks ago. That's looking like a lie. You can get away with lying as a GM or whatever his new title is... but you'd better have made people forget about the lie. They won't forget if you guessed wrong.

[theheroatl]

OH HELL

 

Edited June 30, 2022 by theheroatl

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, sturt said:

If we lose both Gallo and JC, it's hard to overstate what a void is left there.

This has been kind of glossed over and it's a great point.

[MarylandHawk]

Just now, RandomFan said:

Trae and Murray should eat up all the PG minutes. Would expect Sharife to be 3rd string. 

I think the salary counts now, unless someone offers him a deal and we don’t match but it gives us additional roster flexibility for the 15 man roster throughout the season. 

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[sturt]

2 minutes ago, RandomFan said:

Would expect Sharife to be 3rd string. 

I don't. Can play two PGs if that's both of their only jobs. When you want the two PGs, though, to play together for substantial amounts of floor time, you have to have another PG you trust.... that is, if you are serious about contending... not so much if you don't, I suppose.