NBASupes Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said: A potential 3 and D prospect who's jumping up draft boards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 BR’s final mock : 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted June 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 Question. Not a statement. Does the argument for drafting Coulibaly high remind anyone of the argument for drafting Sekou Doumbouya high in 2019? (...he asked, embarrassed that he was among those who made the Sekou argument.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, sturt said: Question. Not a statement. Does the argument for drafting Coulibaly high remind anyone of the argument for drafting Sekou Doumbouya high in 2019? (...he asked, embarrassed that he was among those who made the Sekou argument.) No 1. Defense- Bilal is already very good. Sekou was just average in France with no positional versatility 2. Offense - Sekou wasn't good within the paint in France and he wasn't a good enough shooter to overcome it nor was he athletic enough to overcome it. Sekou had skill but just not enough for what he needed to be even a rotation player in the NBA and he never got better. Bilal is already exceptional in the open court and he's a tremendous cutter. Just those two things along with his defense means his floor in year 3 is Kent Bazemore. What makes Bilal special is his athleticism and his natural feel. He was just 6'1 last year and his speed is sensational. He could really be a 5-6 assists a game player with development. His speed, hand size, length, and explosiveness is special. His defensive versatility is there. He has broad shoulders. I have him as a top end prospect whereas I had Sekou looked like he could be a top guy like a Siakam but just wasn't that athletic. This is where it's hard. Siakam was not as good as a player coming out as Sekou was when he came out but Sekou didn't have the upside whereas Siakam did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted June 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, NBASupes said: 1. Defense- Bilal is already very good. Sekou was just average in France with no positional versatility Disagree. Defense was the one asset for which Sekou was almost universally celebrated in the scouting reports leading up to the draft. Everything else observers thought to be plausibly pointing the right direction, based on his playing at such a high Euro level at such a young age. Appreciate the rest of the opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, sturt said: Disagree. Defense was the one asset for which Sekou was almost universally celebrated in the scouting reports leading up to the draft. Everything else observers thought to be plausibly pointing the right direction, based on his playing at such a high Euro level at such a young age. Appreciate the rest of the opinion though. Anyone who did was wrong https://tankathon.com/players/sekou-doumbouya Nothing metrics wise says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NBASupes Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) https://tankathon.com/players/bilal-coulibaly Bilal is raw offensively but defensively, he's one of the best prospects in years from a tools prospective. Hands Lateral quickness Motor Mobility Explosiveness The only thing he's missing is strength and he has a tremendous frame with broad shoulders and he was just 6'1 last year. Edited June 21, 2023 by NBASupes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, NBASupes said: The only thing he's missing is strength and he has a tremendous frame with broad shoulders and he was just 6'1 last year. So next year he should be taller than Cam Reddish... sick. #peoplegrow 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted June 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: 1 hour ago, sturt said: Disagree. Defense was the one asset for which Sekou was almost universally celebrated in the scouting reports leading up to the draft. Everything else observers thought to be plausibly pointing the right direction, based on his playing at such a high Euro level at such a young age. Appreciate the rest of the opinion though. Expand Anyone who did was wrong https://tankathon.com/players/sekou-doumbouya Nothing metrics wise says otherwise. From New York Post on 2019 international prospects... Sekou Doumbouya, power forward, France The 6-foot-9 Doumbouya rose to prominence playing in France with Limoges and with the international team at the 2016 U18 European Championships. France — led by Doumbouya and Frank Ntilikina — won gold. Doumbouya projects to be a combo forward and is by far the highest-rated of the international prospects in this draft class. Scouting reports say he’s a strong defender who can switch onto multiple positions and an impact rebounder. Questions arise with Doumbouya’s offense, though. His assist-to-turnover ratios are consistently poor and he’s shot a career 28-percent from 3-point range. He could go as early as the back end of the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, warcore said: So next year he should be taller than Cam Reddish... sick. #peoplegrow It actually matters in Basketball. Jalen Williams, Dame Lillard, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Giannis, C.J. McCollum, and Anthony Davis all had growth spurts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phunkabilly Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 54 minutes ago, NBASupes said: It actually matters in Basketball. Jalen Williams, Dame Lillard, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Giannis, C.J. McCollum, and Anthony Davis all had growth spurts. Wait, size matters? Are you saying my girl lied to me? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted June 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 Kyrie Irving did a mock draft? Who knew. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-mock-draft-2023-final-predictions-latest-trade-rumors-prospects-rising-and-falling-entering-draft-day/ar-AA1cPNeS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 I think we stay at 15 and take Cason Wallace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, KB21 said: I think we stay at 15 and take Cason Wallace. 15 is a sweet spot if you want a combo guard! I don't see any of the combo guard options as early contributors for the Hawks though unless they make some moves (many of them do, however, have 3rd guard upside). This draft seems like a total crap shoot after pick 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Packfill said: 15 is a sweet spot if you want a combo guard! I don't see any of the combo guard options as early contributors for the Hawks though unless they make some moves (many of them do, however, have 3rd guard upside). This draft seems like a total crap shoot after pick 11. I listened to Brad Rowland's pod with Tyler Jones yesterday, and Jones is pretty convinced that the Hawks will take Nick Smith. It's totally based off the idea that the Hawks do take into account high school performance. They did with Cam Reddish. They did with Jalen Johnson. They did with AJ Griffin. None of those guys had good freshmen years in college, but they were all considered to be top 5 picks when they were in high school. Nick Smith is that guy in this draft. #1 recruit in the country. Projected top 5 pick after his senior year. Really bad freshman season at Arkansas and had injury issues. Per 247sports, 4 of the top 5 recruits in the 2022 class were Nick Smith, Dariq Whitehead, Dereck Lively, and Cason Wallace. Edited June 21, 2023 by KB21 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 Travis ain't here no more and Landry just went BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 40 minutes ago, KB21 said: I listened to Brad Rowland's pod with Tyler Jones yesterday, and Jones is pretty convinced that the Hawks will take Nick Smith. It's totally based off the idea that the Hawks do take into account high school performance. They did with Cam Reddish. They did with Jalen Johnson. They did with AJ Griffin. None of those guys had good freshmen years in college, but they were all considered to be top 5 picks when they were in high school. Nick Smith is that guy in this draft. #1 recruit in the country. Projected top 5 pick after his senior year. Really bad freshman season at Arkansas and had injury issues. Per 247sports, 4 of the top 5 recruits in the 2022 class were Nick Smith, Dariq Whitehead, Dereck Lively, and Cason Wallace. That is a good point he makes as far as recent Hawks picks. Thanks for pointing that out. Whiteheard for sure then will be right in their wheelhouse - big time high school prospect, Duke, injured during lone season of college ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 22, 2023 Report Share Posted June 22, 2023 Mock Draft Round Up: The Athletic: 15. Atlanta Hawks — Keyonte George | 6-4 guard/wing | Baylor | 19 years old Biggest need: 3-and-D wing, backcourt depth This feels like a very Atlanta Hawks pick, although maybe that’s not fair to the new-ish front office. George is a specimen with his strength, but he’s still kind of stuck in that combo guard type of body. That’s not a problem when you’re knocking down shots. He didn’t do that at Baylor, and it’s odd. George seems to have the skill set to create good shots for himself, but he makes the game so much harder than it needs to be. Maybe that changes with more structure in an offense like what Quin Snyder can offer up. Potential is there, but the pre-draft buzz hasn’t been good. NOTE: They have the Hawks passing on Gradey Richard, who goes 16th to Utah. ESPN: 15. Atlanta Hawks Jalen Hood-Schifino Indiana PG/SG Age: 20.0 For the Hawks, draft night might represent as much of an opportunity to clean up their salary sheet as add talent, with the likes of De'Andre Hunter, Clint Capela and John Collins all said to be potential options for shaving money as the second apron approaches and looming extensions for Dejounte Murray, Saddiq Bey and Onyeka Okongwu appear daunting. The Mavericks are said to be one potential trade partner, but the Hawks may balk at using the No. 15 pick in a deal for Capela, who still has positive trade value. Lively is said to be viewed as a potential successor for Capela should the draftee fall this far, but if he doesn't, the glut of guards in this range -- many of whom avoided working out for the Hawks because of their crowded backcourt situation -- could be attractive in adding depth to the roster. The concept of the Hawks executing a trade with Toronto, centered on Pascal Siakam and Murray, is another topic that came up in conversations with rival teams this week, adding to the many options at Atlanta's and Toronto's disposal. -- Givony NOTE: Cason Wallace goes 18th to Miami in this mock. Wasserman at BR: 15. Atlanta Hawks: Cason Wallace 15 OF 36 Cason WallaceJared C. Tilton/Getty Images Position: PG Team: Kentucky Age: 19 League sources say the Atlanta Hawks have explored the idea of trading De'Andre Hunter with AJ Griffin needing more playing time. Any deal may affect this pick, but Cason Wallace would give the Hawks a different look from Trae Young and Dejounte Murray with his more controlled pace and defense. YAHOO: 15: Atlanta Hawks: G Cason Wallace Ht./Wt.: 6-4, 185 pounds | Class: Freshman | Kentucky Wallace is the best on-ball defender in this draft class and will have no issue guarding both 1 and 2 guards at the NBA level. During his one season at Kentucky, his touches were limited offensively playing alongside Sahvir Wheeler, but if the draft has taught NBA teams anything about Kentucky guards, it's they're more productive pros than what they showed in college. Wallace is a decent outside shooter and uses his speed to his advantage against bigger guards. SB Nation: 15. Atlanta Hawks - Nick Smith Jr., G, Arkansas RELATED 2023 NBA Draft player profile: Nick Smith Jr. 2023 SBNation NBA Mock Draft: Atlanta Hawks select Nick Smith Jr. Wes Morton, Peachtree Hoops — Smith was the top high school recruit to join the college ranks in 2022. But a nagging knee injury sapped some of the explosiveness that got him there. He showed flashes of brilliant self-creation and pull-up jump shooting while at Arkansas, but it’s hard to ignore his 39.7% shooting from two-point range and his poor 2.6 assists per 40 minutes as an on-ball guard. Still, the Hawks need to try to escape mediocrity somehow, and picking at 15th overall may leave no other choice but to risk this upside play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 22, 2023 Report Share Posted June 22, 2023 17 hours ago, KB21 said: I listened to Brad Rowland's pod I’m sorry.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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