Moderators AHF Posted July 20, 2023 Moderators Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: 14.9 minutes… 5.6 points 4.0 rebounds 1.6 dimes .5 block .5 steal per.. Yall want him to start? I need more this is like Chris Crawford in 99. Given more minutes may not better stats. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfch01.html Crawford was largely the same player the whole time (granted he did shoot worse in 2000) in which case a big increase in minutes will mean a big increase in stats: The problem for Crawford is that his minutes per game actually dropped off a cliff in the 1999-00 season: If JJ plays significantly more minutes, he will see a sizable bump in his stats. Whether he improves his per minute productivity is the real question. Some view his 15 game run under Quin as a sign of things to come and if he sustains that level of performance it will be pretty good. If he improves on that, it could be very good. But development is not always a straight line so I don't think we can count on him taking big steps forward even though that is exactly what he looks primed for this season. His 14, 10 and 3 per 36 last season wasn't bad given the stage of his career. JC was 16, 8 and 1. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 What type of production do yal want to see from an NBA starting PF who will be the 5th option if the roster stays as is? We have been beat over the head fke years about not understanding the modern game and that teams do not prioritize offense from the PF position. If we are going to knock JJ before he even gets a chance to prove himself lets at least be transparent about what we believe he SHOULD be able to produce. For me, first year starting: 26+ mins per game (Bey will get a lot of run at PF) >48% fg, >32% 3pt, >70% ft 10ppg, 6 rpg, >2ast, >1stl, >1blk That would be solid production given his skillset. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 31 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: 14.9 minutes… 5.6 points 4.0 rebounds 1.6 dimes .5 block .5 steal per.. Yall want him to start? I need more this is like Chris Crawford in 99. Given more minutes may not better stats. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfch01.html Per 36 that’s about 14 pt, 10 reb, 4 ast, and over 1 steal and block. Could do worse. Though like others I would expect Bey to be starter at the beginning of the season, but I think JJ will be the starter by the end of the season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: More like David West except better Numbers https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westda01.html Hope you right. I want to be mistaken, West was a real piece of work I hated that fcker btw, he was a thorn in our collective butts with Indy those few years. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 31 minutes ago, AHF said: Whether he improves his per minute productivity is the real question. Ya that’s what I’m really saying thanks for clarifying for those who think he’s not gonna get a bump in stats is lame, obviously he will but I’m just wondering the latter of your statement. Bottom line, can we win 45 games with JJ playing significant minutes vs a ️ or vet PF coming in via trade (not naming names I don’t wanna get hit for fan tampering ) and the Hawks POSSIBLY winning 50+ games and being a more lethal team come playoff time. I mean, I guess we can evaluate in the first half and if things aren’t going the way we planned, make a move then for another PF. We don’t need to panic either way, it’s not like we are the Raptors, now those dudes need to panic a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 20, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: Hope you right. I want to be mistaken, West was a real piece of work I hated that fcker btw, he was a thorn in our collective butts with Indy those few years. Ugh. Obviously JJ is way more athletic than West but I think their trajectory will be very similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 I think It will be a timeshare between Bey and JJ. I think we can expand the role of JJ to 22-25mpg, that is going to give you defense, rebounding and some playmaking from PF position, Bey Will give you 25-30 mpg as offensive specialist from 3 pt. The problem I see is who shares the Frontcourt with JJ.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said: >48% fg, >32% 3pt, >70% ft 10ppg, 6 rpg, >2ast, >1stl, >1blk That would be solid production given his skillset. Your standards are a bit lower than mine. I’m not saying I want the dude to be a Karl Malone and get us 27 ppg. I’m not even knocking him, I think he’s got talent but I’m just trying to figure out what COULD possibly be our weak links and he stands out as one simply because he hasn’t proven it in anything more than spurts. Now I’m curious to see his game logs for the 2022-23 campaign. Were there any games where he played 30+ minutes? If so, what were his #’s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, bird_dirt said: Though like others I would expect Bey to be starter at the beginning of the season, but I think JJ will be the starter by the end of the season. Really? If Bey starts I think he keeps it and doesn’t relinquish it to JJ. Bey was my boy comin out of Nova, that boy can ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 20, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, Spud2nique said: Really? If Bey starts I think he keeps it and doesn’t relinquish it to JJ. Bey was my boy comin out of Nova, that boy can ball. Can't start OO and Bey together. Hawks would get dominated down low and on the boards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: Really? If Bey starts I think he keeps it and doesn’t relinquish it to JJ. Bey was my boy comin out of Nova, that boy can ball. Your new boy? BenJalen JohnSimmonson. Book it 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Bey Ya that’s the thing he’s a tweener but so was Royce O. in Quin’s Utah offense a couple years ago. Royce ain’t that big he’s like Saddiq size I think. 1 minute ago, kg01 said: BenJalen JohnSimmonson. @kg01 per Verisign 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 20, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, Spud2nique said: Ya that’s the thing he’s a tweener but so was Royce O. in Quin’s Utah offense a couple years ago. Royce ain’t that big he’s like Saddiq size I think. Didn't they have a big center for him to play with? 7'2" guy right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 20, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 Personally I think a Hunter/JJ/OO combo would be pretty good on defense and adequate on the boards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Hunter/JJ/ Oh no ya, this isn’t gonna help us keep Trae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 20, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Spud2nique said: Oh no ya, this isn’t gonna help us keep Trae. ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Peoriabird said: You keep telling this lie! Why? For us, he shot 40% from three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Spud2nique said: What’s Kevin Willis up to these days, maybe we could sign him to a 10 day so he can shove JJ’s head into the huddle like he did Smoove in 2005 that once. Call Joe Johnson... The old man's game is timeless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Diesel said: Call Joe Johnson... The old man's game is timeless. As our PF? Perhaps these days why not with the pf shooting 3’s and whatnot. Love me some JJ. 6 straight times he was an all star folks ️. Pay the man his due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 21, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Diesel said: For us, he shot 40% from three. That's not for the year...That was only 25 games. Whereas the bulk of the season 52 games he shot 34.5% 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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