Hawks looking to trade

[RedDawg#8]

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It does matter, that wasn't a trade that was done that was, damn, PHX going to the finals and gonna be one of the best teams in the NBA now type of move. They made that jump as Book made that jump. 

We made a jump that same season, led by a guy in his 3rd year (compared to Booker’s 6th) How has PHX looked since then?

47-35 last year, hovering around .500 this year. They screwed up their own “rebuild” by emptying the cupboard to acquire KD and now Beal. 

[NBASupes]

Just now, terrell said:

Is this why Travis thought about moving him? Or was it another reason?

Our fans claim to love Schlenk, but even he considered moving Trae, and thought the Murray trade was the wrong move...

 

 

 

Naw, Travis wanted to trade him for assets because he didn't think Trae with his salary can lead us to contending. He didn't see a path with Trae contending. He wanted to move him. Tony heard him out and said give me what teams would trade for Trae. It was a lot of assets but nothing great. The best player we were offered then was KAT but Atlanta didn't like his contract and wanted KAT with Trae which Minnesota wasn't interested in. Once it became clear TS was stuck and didn't have any moves left, they fired his ass. Landry sold that he could turn this into a contender with Trae but that's easier said than done. They was like Jay, thinking Nate was the problem. He wasn't the answer but he wasn't the problem. 

Travis hated that Murray deal. He lost his passion for this job when that went down. He didn't see the fit. Trae did and Tony and his son did. Landry did too as he was in an assistant role. 

They blamed Nate and JC. JC didn't deserve some blame but Nate is what I call, a get the max outta you coach. He ain't gonna fit a square peg in a round hole. 

[JayBirdHawk]

23 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

The reason why are asset f***ed is because we tried to win way too soon. 

No.....look no further than the #4, #10 and #6 picks we had. None have matched Trae's level.

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

No.....look no further than the #4, #10 and #6 picks we had. None have matched Trae's level.

You gotta have a lot of shots. Not all drafts are created equal. Some drafts f***ing suck. We missed on Hali for OO. That's on us but everybody usually misses outside of OKC. 

Edited December 26, 2023 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

6 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

We made a jump that same season, led by a guy in his 3rd year (compared to Booker’s 6th) How has PHX looked since then?

47-35 last year, hovering around .500 this year. They screwed up their own “rebuild” by emptying the cupboard to acquire KD and now Beal. 

Bro, be honest. When they ascended. They stayed up till this year. We literally dropped the next year and been down or mediocre since. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

No.....look no further than the #4, #10 and #6 picks we had. None have matched Trae's level.

 

Those guys haven't even matched their potential projections coming out of college.

 

12:  https://www.nbadraft.net/players/deandre-hunter/

Reddish:  https://www.nbadraft.net/players/cameron-reddish/

Okongwu:  https://www.nbadraft.net/players/onyeka-okongwu/

[TheNorthCydeRises]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Bro, be honest. When they ascended. They stayed up till this year. We literally dropped the next year and been down or mediocre since. 

We didn't add 2 Hall of Fame players to the lineup either.

 

I'll ask you the same question I asked @benhillboy in the other thread.

Who is the best player Trae Young has ever played with?

[terrell]

17 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Naw, Travis wanted to trade him for assets because he didn't think Trae with his salary can lead us to contending. He didn't see a path with Trae contending. He wanted to move him. Tony heard him out and said give me what teams would trade for Trae. It was a lot of assets but nothing great. The best player we were offered then was KAT but Atlanta didn't like his contract and wanted KAT with Trae which Minnesota wasn't interested in. Once it became clear TS was stuck and didn't have any moves left, they fired his ass. Landry sold that he could turn this into a contender with Trae but that's easier said than done. They was like Jay, thinking Nate was the problem. He wasn't the answer but he wasn't the problem. 

Travis hated that Murray deal. He lost his passion for this job when that went down. He didn't see the fit. Trae did and Tony and his son did. Landry did too as he was in an assistant role. 

They blamed Nate and JC. JC didn't deserve some blame but Nate is what I call, a get the max outta you coach. He ain't gonna fit a square peg in a round hole. 

LF should be on the hotseat then if he meant this season. 

Because we're definitely not a contender

But Tony is still selling tickets so........................... All is well.. 

I bet Schlenk cant stand LF punk ass.. lol

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by terrell

[RedDawg#8]

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Bro, be honest. When they ascended. They stayed up till this year. We literally dropped the next year and been down or mediocre since. 

Agree. They went up another level the next season and have been descending ever since. 

The biggest causes being any combination of:

1) Ayton’s disgruntled behavior and eventual departure.

2) KD trade which lost them Bridges and Johnson.

3) CP3 departure, the smartest player Booker ever ran next to.

No matter how you slice it, Booker’s impact has not been good enough to offset any of these events. The hype from the outside doesn’t match the results on the court. Trae gets dinged for this, Booker (and others) do not for some reason.

[NBASupes]

5 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

We didn't add 2 Hall of Fame players to the lineup either.

 

I'll ask you the same question I asked @benhillboy in the other thread.

Who is the best player Trae Young has ever played with?

Murray and it ain't close but they get in each other way so reality wise, Clint Capela in the ECF year. 

[NBASupes]

Just now, RedDawg#8 said:

Agree. They went up another level the next season and have been descending ever since. 

The biggest causes being any combination of:

1) Ayton’s disgruntled behavior and eventual departure.

2) KD trade which lost them Bridges and Johnson.

3) CP3 departure, the smartest player Booker ever ran next to.

No matter how you slice it, Booker’s impact has not been good enough to offset any of these events. The hype from the outside doesn’t match the results on the court. Trae gets dinged for this, Booker (and others) do not for some reason.

Their descending hasn't been anywhere near as bad as ours. 

[NBASupes]

9 minutes ago, terrell said:

LF should be on the hotseat then if he meant this season. 

Because we're definitely not a contender

But Tony is still selling tickets so........................... All is well.. 

I bet Schlenk cant stand LF punk ass.. lol

 

 

LF just trying to do what he thinks is best for the organization but realistically, this shit is really damn hard. 

[RedDawg#8]

Just now, NBASupes said:

Their descending hasn't been anywhere near as bad as ours. 

Both teams haven’t made it back to their peak, but PHX has added elite players to underachieve, Atlanta has added Murray and dodged the tax. We were only going to go so far.

Our ceiling and their ceiling are (2) completely different levels. People always predicted Trae and the Hawks were overrated, but PHX is supposed to win a chip. PHX is 2 games better than us now, and were only 4 games better than us last season.

Compared to expectations, I say it’s equal.

[terrell]

6 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

LF just trying to do what he thinks is best for the organization but realistically, this shit is really damn hard. 

 Fields did his part in this mess and drafted horrible back to back years..

We sure could use a Tari Eason(picked right after AJ) or Cam Whitmore/Jaquez(after Bufkin) type right now.. smdh

Edited December 26, 2023 by terrell

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Both teams haven’t made it back to their peak, but PHX has added elite players to underachieve, Atlanta has added Murray and dodged the tax. We were only going to go so far.

Our ceiling and their ceiling are (2) completely different levels. People always predicted Trae and the Hawks were overrated, but PHX is supposed to win a chip. PHX is 2 games better than us now, and were only 4 games better than us last season.

Compared to expectations, I say it’s equal.

They traded significantly too. It's not like they got those guys in FA like GS got KD. You trippin man

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, terrell said:

 Fields did his part in this mess and drafted horrible back to back years..

TS had a lot to do with the Griffin pick. 

Fields and Quin was the Kobe pick. 

I don't think either was horrible. At least not yet 

[JeffS17]

46 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

It’s not even much of debate. The cost of the trade is irrelevant.

The same roster jumped up 17 wins and the only difference was CP3. Bookers stats went down from the pre CP3 season, but the team won more games.

The goalpost is NOT that Booker was the best player. You said he CARRIED that team, and that is not true. CP3 was the leader in the locker room that the Suns had been missing for 5 years under Booker and are currently missing now. 

All evidence suggests that Booker, like Trae, can put up numbers, but lacks something intangible that helps his team win consistently. The Suns have  (3) all NBA players and are the worse they have been since going to the finals. Is Booker better than Trae, sure, that’s not the point. Can Booker carry this exact same roster to higher heights? There is nothing to suggest he can other than it lets Murray play PG again. But if he cannot win with KD, Beal and Nurk, news flash buddy, he ain’t doing jack with this lineup.

Phoenix intentionally tanked in the early Booker years.  Unfair to judge him for those years just like it would be unfair to judge Trae in his first couple of years. @NBASupes is correct that we left the tank too early and that's partially why we're asset starved right now (in addition to the Murray trade).  It's unfair to judge the Phoenix team this year and that structure when Beal has only been in 6 games... That's almost $50M of salary not playing.  They have had less salary on the court than we have this year...

Booker just posted 33 ppg in the playoffs last year on 59/50/86 splits.  That's insane.  He was literally carrying that squad.  And his defense was quite good for anyone that watched the games.  In his three post season runs, he's averaging 28 ppg on 49/39/89, TS at 60%.  He's an elite three level scorer that shows up when it matters most.  And his defense is miles beyond Trae.  It's fine to debate the merits of the fit and the trade but acting like Booker is some fraud is wildly out of line.

[terrell]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

TS had a lot to do with the Griffin pick. 

Fields and Quin was the Kobe pick. 

I don't think either was horrible. At least not yet 

Oh yeah I forget Schlenk loves guys with an injury history..

Somehow he thinks when they go pro, they'll stay healthy..

I mean most of his picks cant even play in SL because of injuries..Geez

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by terrell

[kg01]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Like the one that made it to the NBA Finals

Fluke.  Prove me wrong.  You can't. 

[NBASupes]

Just now, kg01 said:

Fluke.  Prove me wrong.  You can't. 

As I said when people say we were flukes, you can't be a fluke if you did it.