Poll: Would you still make the trade?

[Diesel]

After 1 whole yr and listening to Hotlantadude bellyache about it, I want to know...Would you still make the trade of SAR for BK, LO, Pau Gasol?

[Iman]

I think you can get a player of near Lo or BK skills fairly easily. Honestly we had/ have them in Henderson and Jacque Vaughn. Gasol is better than I figured but he's still not nearly as skilled as SAR and who's to say we woulda drafted him with the pick anyways.

[Guest]

people that aren't Hawk fans.Run this poll

over alot of other messageboards.

[JTFan31]

Most definitely yes and I tell you why, because Reef can dominate a game any night and Gasol can't.

[jaywalker72]

...that we sent with Kukoc to get Glenn Robinson...

Yes, I would still make the trade...Sometimes I swear that if guys did the same thing as Gasol but did it while playing for the Hawks it would get no attention.

[capstone21]

Look at our team this season. We have a pretty deep and complete roster. That trade is one of the reasons for the turnaround of our team that is going to happen this upcoming season.

Also, we may not have picked Gasol. I have a feeling would have been Battier. He is a good player but Battier/Lo/BK does not equal SAR.

Plus, have you seen Memphis winning any games???

[Guest]

Memphis won more games in Gasols rookie

season that Reef did the whole time he was

there in any season and he was there 5 seasons?

Look for Memphis to win 30-35 games in the

tougher west this year.

Hard to understand how you guys would approve

of a trade we will be on the short end up...oh

well....

[PlayaPat420]

when reef played for vancouver they were a mismanaged (front office) expansion team, gasol is playing for a more experienced and put together team in memphis and they still weren't good. i dont see how that makes him the better player.

[Sage11]

Yes I would pull the trigger on that trade because SAR talent and potential are rare in the NBA. He is young, he is developing into a consistent game dominating player and plays with a lot of heart. Moreover he is a budding super-star, none of these things can be said of the players we gave up for him or the person we may have drafted.

[Blunt91]

Maybe Pau Gasol won more games during his rookie season than Reef did his entire tenure as a grizzly because he has a better supporting cast of teammates. Shane Battier, Lorenzen Wright, Jason Williams and Brevin Knight had alot to do with the grizzlies getting win's last season not just Gasol. Gasol played small forward last season,which is where he has a height advantage but he will eventually end up playing center a 7'0ft. Heck Drew Gooden might have a better season than Gasol did last year. The trade seemed to better both teams.THe Grizzlies might be better 4 or 5years from now because they have so much young talent in guys like LO,Gasol, Battier, and Drew Gooden. You know Hotlanta it is strange last summer you were getting on people's cases when they stated Lorenzen might be just as good as Shareef(Which we found out was wrong),but a year later you aren't giving Reef any respect whatsoever. To think you use to call yourself Abdur Rahim Rules is sickning.

[beav]

Why does everyone keep forgetting that we picked up a late first rounder in this trade as well? That has to factor in on the vote simply for potential's sake...

[Diesel]

Because we gave up Tinsley?

[Guest]

Maybe Pau Gasol won more games during his rookie season than Reef did his entire tenure as a grizzly because he has a better supporting cast of teammates. Shane Battier, Lorenzen Wright, Jason Williams and Brevin Knight"

Knight???He played in 53 games and started only 11

games.Vaughns numbers were just as good as his

basically.

Jwill only played in 65 games and Wright only played

in 43 games.

Don't forget they were like 2nd in league with games

missed due to injuries.Our list is slightly overrated

because of all the games Email missed.He doesn't

really count since he is a CBA type of player.

You know Hotlanta it is strange last summer you

were getting on people's cases when they stated

Lorenzen might be just as good as Shareef(Which

we found out was wrong),but a year later you aren't

giving Reef any respect whatsoever."

Have I said that Lo was better recently?Did I ever

change off of that stance?Is Lo/Pau better than

Reef?Hell yeah they are.Pau will be the better player

by the end of this season.

You made a pretty weak post there friend.Using

Brevin knight as a reason why Memphis would

win more games in the west when the guy is

Vaughn with a bloated contract.PLEASSSE!

"The trade seemed to better both teams."

How?We entended to make the playoffs and failed

and they entended to be better in 3-4 years but

come to find out Pau is developing faster than

they thought he would.They are ahead of schedule

while we sat in the gutter and lost a lottery pick

for nothing.

[Blunt91]

1st of all I didn't say you said Lorezen was just as good as Shareef it was me and a few other people who were saying it then,secondly I didn't say Brevin Knight himself was the reason that the grizzlies were better this past season but he along with the other guys. Don't try to change the meaning or perception of what some one has posted to justify your words. You still didn't address the fact that you have been talking down on Shareef and not giving him any props. BTW Shareef and Big Dog is a better combo than Lorenzen and Pau Gasol. We used the 27th in that deal to land us Big Dog.

[Guest]

How do you know they are?Big Dog is a better

scorer than Lo but Lo is a better rebounder/

shotblocker and defense and is more versitile

in that he can play PF/C and Big Dog is just a

scorer that is limited to playing SF and plays

no defense.Plus you forgot Gasol will be better

than Reef AND about 4 years younger aswell.

LO 12PPG 9.4RPG in 29MPG

Big Dog 20PPG 5.8RPG in 35 minutes

:We used the 27th in that deal to land us Big Dog.:

Don't forget his contract is so big and don't

forget that while Gasol will give 20/10/2 blk

next year on a rookie contract Reef will be

giving 20/8 at 11 million a year and eating

up a chunk of the salary cap.Actually both

of our SF's will and this has put us over the

cap while not winning at the same time.

"I didn't say Brevin Knight himself was the reason

that the grizzlies were better this past season

but he along with the other guys. Don't try to

change the meaning or perception of what some

one has posted to justify your words."

My point is you bring Brevin up but he is no better

of a supporter than Vaughn is.

"You still didn't address the fact that you have

been talking down on Shareef and not giving him

any props."

I gave him the props he deserves....but he isn't

the best PF in the east and he isn't a top 5 like

some claim and he isn't worthy of that 11 million

bloated contract he has.And most of all,he didn't

improve the team this year.

[beav]

of course we did trade tinsley yes, for a first rounder... when the trade is complete (ie seeing if our pick pans out then I will entertain trying to evaluate the trade)...

also we would have to delve into exactly what we did with the cap space for BK's contract more closely...

[thecampster]

hatldude....if you're not excited about having Reef than go be a grizz fan....really...it's getting annoying.

[KZ3]

Why do you say that Shareef didn't improve our team?

We won more games than the year before, and this is without Ratliff or Mutombo. If you like Lo/Gasol more than Reef/Big Dog, no one is stopping you from becoming a Grizzlies fan.

[Diesel]

Actually, there was no cap space gained. LO + BK = Shareef. with a trade of Picks. Gasol for Tinsley.. Which we in turn traded for a pick from INdy. Which we added with Kukoc for Big Dog.

So in simple terms,

we got Big Dog/Shareef

for

Gasol/Lo/BK/Toni

Was it worth it? Well, we got a steal with Big dog for Toni/1st...

However, otherwise, it was a good deal in my eyes.

All the bellyaching by HAF is silly.

Gasol is a good player but he's not Shareef and Shareef dominated him head to head.

HAF loves to make a big deal about Record.

Well, this yr we won more games with Shareef on our team than Last yr with Lo and BK. Shareef had NO theo to work with either. However, Shareef CARRIED. Gasol added to Lo/Bk probably wouldn't have carried. Come to think of it, I don't know how much he would have played under Lon. I think we did well in our trade. The real fruits will be seen thisyr.

[Guest]

Well, this yr we won more games with Shareef on our team than Last yr with Lo and BK. Shareef had NO theo to work with either."

That's only cause JT moved to PG and the defense

improved because of it not because of Reef.IF JT

stayed at SG we wouldn't have won 25 games this

year.

" However, Shareef CARRIED"

He carried us to 33 wins?Whoa good job he carried

is to about 10th in the east.Good job of carrying.lol

How can you carry a team when you do nothing when

the game counts the most?

" I don't know how much he would have played

under Lon."

That's part of the point as to why Babcock is a

top 10 manager.Instead of getting a good coach

he brought us a subpar coach.

We got a team with little future potential and

are overcaped right now.Gasol will match Reef

next year at a way cheaper price.