Strong 2 man (JJ &Marvin) game within the offense

[HAWKEYE]

Any one who watched yesterdays scrimmage at the open practice I think can see how those two can play off each other. JJ is our unquestioned 1st option. Lue and Josh took quick kickouts at the perimeter for open looks. Marvin with that killer crossover with those super long arms if his man hesitates for a second he has that giant step and he's in and around him. His inside outside and midrange game is coming around rather smoothly. Even though he was playing for the other team in the scrimmage one could see the possibilities for the 2nd option. No question, Josh Smith is still a possibility. Everything is still open as this team finds an identity. Marvins man to man coverage with those arms will create turnovers (deflections, blocks, steals). Is it just me, I think JJ is not getting near the calls he should get when he gets roughed up inside because he does not (work) the refs. He is a little too gracious. Even scrimmage refs did not give him calls he should have gotten.

[gsuteke]

how will Smoove handle it?

and on a side not I am not happy to hear Mr. Smith is deciding he wants to be a 3 point specialist like he did for a few weeks last season.

[HAWKEYE]

As our team keeps more games within striking distance. How many games were decided in the NBA by 5 pts. or less. If JJ does not get those calls which can be 3pts.+ swings if the opposition takes it down and scores. That can make a difference each time that it happens. The cumulative effect that it happens can make a huge difference at the end of the game. Marvins game needs those calls too. The new guy generally does not get those calls but JJ should deserve more.

[vdunkndunk]

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and on a side note I am not happy to hear Mr. Smith is deciding he wants to be a 3 point specialist like he did for a few weeks last season.

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The good thing about Smoove's 3-point shooting yesterday was that he looked really confident and he was drilling the shots he took. According to my count he was 3 for 5 from three-point distance in the game and he looked pretty good doing it.

Marvin really looked like he might be ready to take over Al's scoring load this season. I think he's clearly the second best scorer on our team, especially because he can get to the free throw line almost whenever he wants--he's just too big, quick, long and athletic, especially when you factor in his ability to shoot the ball.

[Wurider05]

It seemed as if he shoots the 3 ball naturally without hesistation. I remember last season he would alsways pause for 1-2 seconds before he shot it.Now it seems that he is more comfortable with his stroke.

[HawksFan87]

I would'nt be so quick as to say Marvin is our 2nd best player so fast, he still has ALOT to improve on and so does the rest of the guys.

[HAWKEYE]

Hey "V" it was great meeting you at the practice. As I stated before on another post I remember Josh rainbowing 3's from each corner and from the top of the key. He did show he can drill from all over.

[warcore]

how did shelden look?

[HAWKEYE]

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It's obvious that no plays are drawn up for Shell. To me it seemed he was JJ's designated picker trying to open inside lanes for JJ and any other offensive traffic lanes. He is learning his way around on the inside. He is more a glue guy right now which won't help his stat sheet. He is getting bottled up inside and his strength is not dominant yet. His points will come slowly in the flow of the offense. This is not the summer league team and he has only officially been with our core guys one week.

[CBAreject]

I don't care if Smoove takes 10 threes a game as long as he hits at least 1/3 of them. That equates to 50% from 2 pt range. Each 33% 3 pt shooter you have adds another dimension to the offense.

What's disgusting is threes from chuckers like Antoine Walker, Charles Barkley, and Chris Webber. Those guys hit less than 30%, so they're costing you possessions with those shots. BTW, that's not to say those aren't good players. They just have histories of chucking when they shouldn't.

I do understand that you'd probably like to see Smoove score inside, though. I'd like to see him do that, as well, because we need a post scorer.

[AHF]

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I don't care if Smoove takes 10 threes a game as long as he hits at least 1/3 of them. That equates to 50% from 2 pt range. Each 33% 3 pt shooter you have adds another dimension to the offense.

What's disgusting is threes from chuckers like Antoine Walker, Charles Barkley, and Chris Webber. Those guys hit less than 30%, so they're costing you possessions with those shots. BTW, that's not to say those aren't good players. They just have histories of chucking when they shouldn't.

I do understand that you'd probably like to see Smoove score inside, though. I'd like to see him do that, as well, because we need a post scorer.

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I would also like to see him go inside more because he can shoot > 50% on his dunk attempts as his rookie year shooting showed. Also, he is going to draw a lot of fouls taking the ball to the hole with his explosiveness.

I do like that he has already become much more than the Darius Miles of the world in developing a nice jumper but I would hate to see him become totally reliant on it.

I also think Vince Carter should go inside more for some of the same reasons.

[Johnnybravo4]

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and on a side note I am not happy to hear Mr. Smith is deciding he wants to be a 3 point specialist like he did for a few weeks last season.

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The good thing about Smoove's 3-point shooting yesterday was that he looked really confident and he was drilling the shots he took. According to my count he was 3 for 5 from three-point distance in the game and he looked pretty good doing it.

Marvin really looked like he might be ready to take over Al's scoring load this season. I think he's clearly the second best scorer on our team, especially because he can get to the free throw line almost whenever he wants--he's just too big, quick, long and athletic, especially when you factor in his ability to shoot the ball.

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I have been telling everyone who will listen that Marvin Williams will be Lebron James light this season. If he was slightly more athletic he would be Lebron. They have the same build and other similar attributes.

[SmooveTheFuture]

Marvin Williams will be Lebron James this season????? Please give me whatever your smoking that must be some good stuff. There is only 1 Lebron James in this league and Marvin Williams is so far from that its not even funny.

[Johnnybravo4]

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Marvin Williams will be Lebron James this season????? Please give me whatever your smoking that must be some good stuff. There is only 1 Lebron James in this league and Marvin Williams is so far from that its not even funny.

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Get off Lebron James' nutts...you know what I am saying. Of course marvin wont avg 35/8/5. And I realize that he doesn't play for the Cleveland Cavs. Can we work with those stipulations?

All I am saying is that Marvin Williams have similar builds (Although Marvin will need another couple of years of weight work before he gains lebron's strength.)

Marvin can handle the ball as good as Lebron. He can get to the lane as quick as Lebron can. He can already shoot as good as Lebron from the perimeter. What he lacks that Lebron has is a polished all around game (i.e turn around jumpers, nifty post moves etc) And the strength that would allow him to get and ones instead of taking 2 foul shots.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that Marvin could grow up to challenge Lebron on a nightly basis. I mean he was drafted #2 for a reason.

[Guest Walter]

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Of course marvin wont avg 35/8/5. And I realize that he doesn't play for the Cleveland Cavs. Can we work with those stipulations?

All I am saying is that Marvin Williams have similar builds (Although Marvin will need another couple of years of weight work before he gains lebron's strength.)

Marvin can handle the ball as good as Lebron. He can get to the lane as quick as Lebron can. He can already shoot as good as Lebron from the perimeter. What he lacks that Lebron has is a polished all around game (i.e turn around jumpers, nifty post moves etc) And the strength that would allow him to get and ones instead of taking 2 foul shots.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that Marvin could grow up to challenge Lebron on a nightly basis. I mean he was drafted #2 for a reason.

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Just curious as to what "Lebron James lite" really means.

[thesheedera]

JB, I love Marvin as much as anyone, but it only does him a disservice to make comparisons to LeBron. I think its completely fair to say that some of Marvin's qualities are similar to LeBron, but saying he will be a watered down version of him suggests so much more.

In some ways, I too am LeBron James lite, so you can say that about anyone, but it comes across sounding like you think Marvin will be one of the best players in the game this year. I think we'd all be happy if he's at least one of the best players among his draft class.

[Jdawgflow]

I may be wrong, but it seems like JB is saying that Marvin has a similar skillset as LeBron (even though it might not be as refined yet for whatever reason), and not that he will necessarily be as good as LeBron this year.

[GST]

LeBron is known as a point forward, with court vision and passing comparable to some of the best point guards. I think Marvin is a decent passer, but nothing like LeBron. I think the guy he is going to be similar to in style is Dwayne Wade. Wade is a SG instead of a SF, but what Wade is known for is his ability to drive to the hoop at will, a skill that looks like it is going to be Marvin's bread and butter.

[Johnnybravo4]

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I may be wrong, but it seems like JB is saying that Marvin has a similar skillset as LeBron (even though it might not be as refined yet for whatever reason), and not that he will necessarily be as good as LeBron this year.

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Finally someone who has a brain..thank you.

[Diesel]

I don't know why we tell these fairy tales on this board about Marvin's abilities. He is not Lebron Like in any way. If you really want to compare him to somebody... He compares favorably with Tim Thomas. The only difference is Thomas is a lot taller. When you read this, tell me it doesn't sound just like Marvin:

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This guy has tremendous potential… a real team player… already presents match up problems at the college level… can step out behind the arc and bury threes while also rebounding with the bigs underneath… not sure what his natural position will be in the NBA…

Strengths: Attitude, versatility, rebounding, team player

Weaknesses: Kind of drifts on the floor, could get up the court better

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His potential, however, is nothing to sniff at. Absolutely superior quickness, as well as excellent ball-handling skills. He looks great running the floor. Any polished half court skills are not so apparent. He's only a freshman.

He is looked at as a power forward because his body looks more readily transformable into a muscle bound NBA body than most young players. But his game looks much more like a small forward's. The double-edged word "finesse" comes to mind with him.

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Tim Thomas Lite!