Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted November 29, 2009 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 4-17. The team would have shot close to 60% if Joe had just decided to stop shooting at some point throughout that abysmal performance. Kudos to Woodson for sticking with him and playing him 40 minutes. What a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfHawk Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Honestly, how much is enough for this guy to realize he doesn't have it going? And this guy turns down 15 mil a year? Max contract my a**! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 :computer8: Yep! :go ahead: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawksFan87 Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 And what sucks is Woody won't take him out or yell at him for sucking or taking bad shots. But if that's Marvin , Smoove or maybe Al. They'd be on the bench.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted November 30, 2009 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Good thing we are "deep" this year and can get help off the bench when our starters don't have it going :brick wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurider05 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Honestly, how much is enough for this guy to realize he doesn't have it going? And this guy turns down 15 mil a year? Max contract my a**! Sir you have made the comment of the year as it relates to JJ. Cheers to you my friend!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted November 30, 2009 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Sir you have made the comment of the year as it relates to JJ. Cheers to you my friend!!!! He is not even looking to pass anymore. Edited November 30, 2009 by Atlantaholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 4-17. The team would have shot close to 60% if Joe had just decided to stop shooting at some point throughout that abysmal performance. Kudos to Woodson for sticking with him and playing him 40 minutes. What a joke. He is up there. No doubt a lot of it is Woody, but JJ backs Woody so he has to take the responsibility also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Joe's play is really on the decline. If this team extends him at max salary and keeps him they will regret it in the long run. His quality of play has dropped for 2 years straight and he is headed down that same road again. I know that he plays a lot of minutes, but he is not the first guy to play 39MPG. He hasn't come close to regaining his solid shooting from a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted November 30, 2009 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I will say this... Taking bad shots is one thing, hogging the ball is another, but when you dribble out 10-15 seconds off the clock to do so...then it is REALLY hurting the team. I didn't see the game today. But in the Orlando game, I saw a lot of that from JJ. I know he can hit big shots and we need him to score. But can we get some BALL MOVEMENT PLEASE!?!? I don't know if that's more on JJ or Woody, but we got too many guys on this team that can shoot and pass to have so much selfish one on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_dave Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I watched the first second half possession in Which JJ hogged the ball and eventually made a layup. I knew that added fuel to his fire and that the game might be in trouble. When JJ first got here he used to pass the ball. What happened? It's pretty much unwatchable right now. Emmitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member niremetal Posted November 30, 2009 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I watched the first second half possession in Which JJ hogged the ball and eventually made a layup. I knew that added fuel to his fire and that the game might be in trouble. When JJ first got here he used to pass the ball. What happened? It's pretty much unwatchable right now. Emmitt What happened is Woody. When JJ arrived, he still had D'Antoni's motion and ball movement-oriented system ingrained in his brain. But once Harrington left, Woody told JJ he had to put the team on his back. Is JJ being a ballhog? Yes. But he was never a ballog in Phoenix, and it would NOT be difficult to design a system here in which JJ still got the most touches but wasn't called on to run so many ISOs. And let us not forget that JJ is merely the most obvious of an ever-expanding line of scoring guards (Lue, Flip, Crawford) who people accuse of dominating the ball and taking ill-advised and contested shots. It's amazing how people either forget or choose to ignore that when they act like JJ is the only (or even the #1) thing keeping us from becoming a ball-sharing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 30, 2009 Moderators Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 What happened is Woody. When JJ arrived, he still had D'Antoni's motion and ball movement-oriented system ingrained in his brain. But once Harrington left, Woody told JJ he had to put the team on his back. Is JJ being a ballhog? Yes. But he was never a ballog in Phoenix, and it would NOT be difficult to design a system here in which JJ still got the most touches but wasn't called on to run so many ISOs. And let us not forget that JJ is merely the most obvious of an ever-expanding line of scoring guards (Lue, Flip, Crawford) who people accuse of dominating the ball and taking ill-advised and contested shots. It's amazing how people either forget or choose to ignore that when they act like JJ is the only (or even the #1) thing keeping us from becoming a ball-sharing team. QFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted November 30, 2009 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Early into 2009-10, Joe Johnson is 15th in USG%. Guys ahead of him are: Wade Carmelo Kobe LeBron Durant B. Jennings Carter Arenas Dirk Bosh Granger T. Parker Al Harrington M. Ellis Among those players: Only Wade & Arenas are less efficient shooters (eFG%). Only Arenas has a lower TS%. Excluding PG's, Joe is the worst rebounder (TRB%). (Wade is equal in this regard). Only Carter & Bosh have a lower STL%. He blocks the least shots of this group. His TO% is in the middle of the pack. Surprisingly, his AST% is in the middle of the pack. Joe Johnson is not a 1st option! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arhawkfan Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Looks like alot of people are mad that Joe didn't sign the extension and think that he is leaving. He probably is and this might be why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Looks like alot of people are mad that Joe didn't sign the extension and think that he is leaving. He probably is and this might be why. which means we are probably encouraging his lunacy and trying to showcase him to get better in a sign and trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arhawkfan Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 which means we are probably encouraging his lunacy and trying to showcase him to get better in a sign and trade. I could be wrong but I dont see a sign and trade because I believe he is a unristricted free agent. If the Hawks want to move him and get something in return they will have to do it soon. Also, trading him now would most likely kill the Hawks chances in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted November 30, 2009 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Also, trading him now would most likely kill the Hawks chances in the playoffs. For years. No FA is gonna want to sign with Atlanta if they trade good players like JJ for cap space in the middle of a playoff season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Joe Johnson is not a 1st option! JJ is our 1st option because for years he was our only option. This is simply not the case anymore. Crawford, Bibby, Smoothe, Marvin, and Horf can contribute now; and Bibby and JJ are more than capable of getting them involved. I am not talking about 20 ppg from these five players; but thay all are quite capable of close to 15 ppg each. Woodson talks a good game about getting Horford, Marvin, and Smoove more involved by saying things like establishing them in the post more or Marvin being more aggressive. But this offense is the same as it has been since Woody got JJ. Just as our switching defense is still the same since Woody got here. The only things that change about Woody is whether he shaves and the cut of his suits... Edited December 1, 2009 by Buzzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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