Jamal Crawford = The Difference.

[Antmillennium]

Crawford's handles are ridiculous. Those crossover moves were just sick. I frequently hear the fans in the audience "ooo-ing" and "ahh-ing" when he pulls out his tricky dribble.

Edited March 15, 2010 by Antmillennium

[niremetal]

Excellent point. This would explain the rest of your post. While playing for the same team, Jamal scores more points per minute than Joe does. Jamal plays with the 2nd team more than Joe does. Jamal is a better scorer than Joe is. Oh, and he shoots a higher percentage 3 than Joe does.

Actually, one would expect someone to score more when they play for worse teams. Considering that's how, you know, it pretty much always works in the NBA.

And Jamal is shooting a higher percentage from deep because teams leave him open from deep MUCH more than they do JJ. And JJ draws double teams way, way more than Jamal. And doesn't the fact that Jamal plays more often against the other team's bench kinda explain why he scores slightly more per minute this year? Pretty much everyone except you and a couple other JJ haters have said or at least recognized how having JJ around has allowed Jamal to be more efficient than he ever was before.

You're beyond laughable, dude. You're incapable of making a post without hating on JJ. Every post you make just hammers home that you have nothing to offer but BS to back up your hate.

[HawkWeisErrr]

Actually, one would expect someone to score more when they play for worse teams. Considering that's how, you know, it pretty much always works in the NBA.

And Jamal is shooting a higher percentage from deep because teams leave him open from deep MUCH more than they do JJ. And JJ draws double teams way, way more than Jamal. And doesn't the fact that Jamal plays more often against the other team's bench kinda explain why he scores slightly more per minute this year? Pretty much everyone except you and a couple other JJ haters have said or at least recognized how having JJ around has allowed Jamal to be more efficient than he ever was before.

You're beyond laughable, dude. You're incapable of making a post without hating on JJ. Every post you make just hammers home that you have nothing to offer but BS to back up your hate.

Funny but I thought Crawford holds the NBA record for 4 point plays? If they are leaving him open, how is he getting fouled? Oh I get it. They leave him open MORE than Joe. That means Joe holds the record for 4 point plays right?

[Colin]

Funny but I thought Crawford holds the NBA record for 4 point plays? If they are leaving him open, how is he getting fouled? Oh I get it. They leave him open MORE than Joe. That means Joe holds the record for 4 point plays right?

Hawkweiserrr, you don't actually think that point makes any sense at all do you...? There is no correlation between Crawford's four-point plays and the coverage he receives throughout the game... Really, you are making yourself look like an idiot now.

[NineOhTheRino]

Funny but I thought Crawford holds the NBA record for 4 point plays? If they are leaving him open, how is he getting fouled? Oh I get it. They leave him open MORE than Joe. That means Joe holds the record for 4 point plays right?

Why is it that the same team that traded Crawford to GS is looking at signing JJ?

[HawkWeisErrr]

Why is it that the same team that traded Crawford to GS is looking at signing JJ?

I don't know what you guys are arguing but let me clarify my position.

Jamal Crawford scores more points per minute than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford shoots a higher percentage from behind the 3 point line than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford draws more fouls than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford shoots better from the FT line than Joe Johnson does.

Based on the above facts and from watching the games, my opinion is that Crawford is a better scorer than Joe Johnson is.

[NineOhTheRino]

I don't know what you guys are arguing but let me clarify my position.

Jamal Crawford scores more points per minute than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford shoots a higher percentage from behind the 3 point line than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford draws more fouls than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford shoots better from the FT line than Joe Johnson does.

Based on the above facts and from watching the games, my opinion is that Crawford is a better scorer than Joe Johnson is.

My position is that together they're well above average but individually they're mediocre.

Edited March 15, 2010 by NineOhTheRino

[HawkWeisErrr]

My position is that together they're well above average but individually they're mediocre.

Just curious, but does anyone know how many minutes per game they are on the court together?

[MaceCase]

Just curious, but does anyone know how many minutes per game they are on the court together?

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910ATL2.HTM

Add up the minutes of the lineups that feature both Jamal and Joe.

Hint: Jamal spends far more time with Joe than he does without him.

[Diesel]

No doubt he has made the difference for us but I still don't want to see JJ walk if the thinking is that Crawford can replace him.

I think that this year, he does represent the difference. If Joe Leaves, we would have to have to get something good in a SNT. My hope is that we'd get another defensive player. IF it's NY, i would love to get back Galls and Chandler. IF It's LAL, I want Bynum or Gasol.

However, I think this year, we test to see how far Joe can take us. IF he can take us past the second round, we will pay him. I doubt we make him Allan Houston if we don't go far.

[Diesel]

Actually, one would expect someone to score more when they play for worse teams. Considering that's how, you know, it pretty much always works in the NBA.

And Jamal is shooting a higher percentage from deep because teams leave him open from deep MUCH more than they do JJ. And JJ draws double teams way, way more than Jamal. And doesn't the fact that Jamal plays more often against the other team's bench kinda explain why he scores slightly more per minute this year? Pretty much everyone except you and a couple other JJ haters have said or at least recognized how having JJ around has allowed Jamal to be more efficient than he ever was before.

You're beyond laughable, dude. You're incapable of making a post without hating on JJ. Every post you make just hammers home that you have nothing to offer but BS to back up your hate.

I would agree that JJ draws doubles, but he rarely passes to Jamal. Jamal gets a lot of open look from passes from Smoove and Bibby. The truth of the matter is that we have good scoring and JJ is a part of that. A big part. Until our bigs learn to score for themselves, we are kinda dependent on JJ... but if we were to loses JJ, I think Jamal would step up as a better playmaker. He has never had this much usable talent around him.

[exodus]

I don't know what you guys are arguing but let me clarify my position.

Jamal Crawford scores more points per minute than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford shoots a higher percentage from behind the 3 point line than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford draws more fouls than Joe Johnson does. Jamal Crawford shoots better from the FT line than Joe Johnson does.

Based on the above facts and from watching the games, my opinion is that Crawford is a better scorer than Joe Johnson is.

Take a look at all the years he didn't play next to JJ. What do Crawford's percentages look like then? Crawford is a career 40.8% shooter.

[niremetal]

I would agree that JJ draws doubles, but he rarely passes to Jamal. Jamal gets a lot of open look from passes from Smoove and Bibby. The truth of the matter is that we have good scoring and JJ is a part of that. A big part. Until our bigs learn to score for themselves, we are kinda dependent on JJ... but if we were to loses JJ, I think Jamal would step up as a better playmaker. He has never had this much usable talent around him.

Is there a site that shows assists from/to individual players? Because if there is, I would be truly shocked if there was any statistical evidence of JJ not passing to Jamal. I think that's just another instance of people seeing what they want to see. Against Detroit, one of JJ's 5 assists was to Crawford, and all 4 of his other assists came while Crawford was off the floor. Against Wash, 1 of his 5 assists was also to Crawford. And the game before that (NY), same thing. And the game before that, 2 of his 4 assists were to Crawford. And I'm not gonna spend anymore time on that. Seriously, I don't think JJ passes to Crawford any less to anyone else.

And minus JJ, our offensive talent outside of Crawford is seriously no better than what he had for most of his previous career. The number of open looks he'd get without JJ would go down, and so would his shooting percentage.

Fewer points while shooting a lower percentage from the field and with a worse Ast:TO ratio while playing for worse teams. Seriously.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Is there a site that shows assists from/to individual players? Because if there is, I would be truly shocked if there was any statistical evidence of JJ not passing to Jamal. I think that's just another instance of people seeing what they want to see. Against Detroit, one of JJ's 5 assists was to Crawford, and all 4 of his other assists came while Crawford was off the floor. Against Wash, 1 of his 5 assists was also to Crawford. And the game before that (NY), same thing. And the game before that, 2 of his 4 assists were to Crawford. And I'm not gonna spend anymore time on that. Seriously, I don't think JJ passes to Crawford any less to anyone else.

And minus JJ, our offensive talent outside of Crawford is seriously no better than what he had for most of his previous career. The number of open looks he'd get without JJ would go down, and so would his shooting percentage.

Fewer points while shooting a lower percentage from the field and with a worse Ast:TO ratio while playing for worse teams. Seriously.

Just gonna do an eye test from the play-by-play to see how many of JJ's assists have gone to whomever. I'll guess without even looking, that JJ has 6 assists to Crawford since the break.

Bibby: 16 ( 9 threes )

Smoove: 15

Crawford: 15 ( 10 threes )

Horford: 7

Marvin: 7

Evans: 3

Zaza: 2

Teague: 1

LOL @ 6 . . . so much for JJ not passing to Crawford. I knew he was passing to Crawford lately, but not that much. And I didn't realize that he's assisted on all of those three's by Crawford.

JJ always passes to Bibby for open shots. And I knew he passed to Smoove a lot. He passes to Marvin quite a bit too. Marvin just doesn't make the shot.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Just gonna do an eye test from the play-by-play to see how many of JJ's assists have gone to whomever. I'll guess without even looking, that JJ has 6 assists to Crawford since the break.

Bibby: 16 ( 9 threes )

Smoove: 15

Crawford: 15 ( 10 threes )

Horford: 7

Marvin: 7

Evans: 3

Zaza: 2

Teague: 1

LOL @ 6 . . . so much for JJ not passing to Crawford. I knew he was passing to Crawford lately, but not that much. And I didn't realize that he's assisted on all of those three's by Crawford.

JJ always passes to Bibby for open shots. And I knew he passed to Smoove a lot. He passes to Marvin quite a bit too. Marvin just doesn't make the shot.

This is also a by-product of the ISO-JOE. When JJ is doing all of that dribbling and sizing his man up, he's surveying the court at the same time. If the double team comes, he's usually passing to an open shooter.

[Crank]

Just gonna do an eye test from the play-by-play to see how many of JJ's assists have gone to whomever. I'll guess without even looking, that JJ has 6 assists to Crawford since the break.

Bibby: 16 ( 9 threes )

Smoove: 15

Crawford: 15 ( 10 threes )

Horford: 7

Marvin: 7

Evans: 3

Zaza: 2

Teague: 1

LOL @ 6 . . . so much for JJ not passing to Crawford. I knew he was passing to Crawford lately, but not that much. And I didn't realize that he's assisted on all of those three's by Crawford.

JJ always passes to Bibby for open shots. And I knew he passed to Smoove a lot. He passes to Marvin quite a bit too. Marvin just doesn't make the shot.

That amounts to about one per game which is not alot . Although I must admit that JJ has been getting better at looking for Crawford outside the three but at the start of the season he was not even thinking about passing it. ,He should actually have more considering Crawford is shooting like 49% from three this month

[Diesel]

That amounts to about one per game which is not alot . Although I must admit that JJ has been getting better at looking for Crawford outside the three but at the start of the season he was not even thinking about passing it. ,He should actually have more considering Crawford is shooting like 49% from three this month

This is what I'm looking at also.. about 1 per game.

Moreover, the tally shows that 22% of Joe's passes go to Crawford. Some may like the distribution, but at the same time it shows that Craw's mealticket is not really Joe.

Not all of Joe's passes turnout as assists because I know he throws a lot more to Marvin and Bibby than what is tabulated.

[DJlaysitup]

One per D.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Considering that the guy is the primary scorer, and averages a little less than 5 assists per game, one assist a game to Crawford is actually right on target. And that assist is predicated on Jamal making the shot.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

This is what I'm looking at also.. about 1 per game.

Moreover, the tally shows that 22% of Joe's passes go to Crawford. Some may like the distribution, but at the same time it shows that Craw's mealticket is not really Joe.

Not all of Joe's passes turnout as assists because I know he throws a lot more to Marvin and Bibby than what is tabulated.

Craw's "meal ticket" is himself. It's just that with JJ on the floor, he's not going to see nearly the double teams that JJ does. JJ, and not Crawford, is the guy that is most likely to get into the paint and take a shot, so opposing teams pay more attention to JJ. When they do that, it enables Crawford to go one on one on most occasions.