Woody held our Bench back!

[JTB]

Why Jason Collins and Joe Smith needs to come back:

Hear me out!...........First off there arent many Centers left that are a sure help, meaning we are in a position now that we either take shaq or not if we want a center from free agency that can surely help us! But after shaq its a bunch of nobodys that are on a level of our own Jason Collins. But the thing about what we would call a nobody like Jason Collins is that we dont give these so called nobodys opputunities. Last year Woody hardly gave anybody on our bench a chance. Hell I say we resign Joe Smith too. I know Joe Smith can be way more effective for us if given more minutes! That old timer still has that jumper he can knock down all the hawks have to do is set him up and I know joe Smith aint no punk when it comes to defending and rebounding! Joe is a smaller PF but he has ALWAYS played bigger than his size much like Al Horford is doing at center. As for Jason Collins I honestly think he can do much better and be effective on defense and hard rebounds if given minutes.Im not saying he's going to be a superstar if given minutes but im not going to call him a bum in the NBA, i mean get real this man has been to a NBA finals before and even though his team lost he was a reason they got there much like perkins is a reason the celtics get places. Jason Collins will bang we just need to use him more and make him feel like he's needed cause at this point I really feel that Woody has held back some of our players and especially our BENCH!

Woody held our bench back because of one HUGE REASON!......No playing time:

Of course Jamal Crawford got his minutes but everybody else minutes either decrease like ZAZA's or just had no minutes and that is a huge concern! We have a GREAT BENCH people Woody didnt know how to use them but im sure LD was aware of that at that time and he will change that cause that is one of the things many are looking at to change about the hawks as well as the offense of course which has already been addressed by LD. Though LD havent talked about playing the bench I know its in his plans to give players who deserve playing time their minutes on the court!

What each Bench player Brings if given minutes from LD:

Assuming we keep the same roster which is looking likely........dont be afraid cause we are b**chin and calling these players garbage and in reality they havent even had a real chance to show what they can do on the hawks like they have had on other teams!

Bibby-Assuming Teague starts which seems to be the plan until he really shows he cant handle it. Bibby will be great off the bench and probably even more effective! he will provide good scoring and we know he will if he get good minutes cause we have seen him play!

Jamal Crawford- No need to explain what he can do! the 6th man of the year will likely win it again and is prob the best scoring threat in the nba coming off the bench! perfect role for him!

mo evans- Mo recieved a major loss in PT this past year and honestly I think it affected his game alot. Mo is a solid defender who can knock down the 3.

Joe Smith- its always good to have a vet coming off the bench but if you dont play them its a old guy sitting and watching. Joe has heart and he plays bigger than he is! thats a plus! to add to it he can knock down a good mid range jumper. LD must play this guy like cleveland did when he was there!

zaza- zaza minutes dropped this year too. dont need to say much about zaza but he is young and still trying to get better with his skills. There maybe centers out there better than him but not many has that HEART and HUSTLE zaza has and we could use that in the post!

Jason Collins- we call him a bum but we aint even seen enough of him too judge him atleast not on the hawks! all im saying for a 7ft 255 pound guy who has been to the nba championship in his lifetime in the NBA to not get any minutes at all thats pretty crazy. I mean this guy even has a little jumper! Its akward looking but he knocks it down! He has good size and prob can be that help on rebounding horford is asking for if given the minutes!

jordan crawford- cant say alot about the rookie but i do know he's a added shooter to the bench and thats good too! I think he can be really good if he can manage to steal minutes from mo, bibby, or teague. as for stealing minutes from jj or jamal that will be a huge challenge for him!

Anybody ever notice how many jump shooter off the bench we have!!!

Wow that bench looks pretty damn good to me! of course adding a player like shaq to the bench will be good but what we have isnt bad! We just need to play these guys. We have a good group to take over when the starters get tired. an as far as LD offense goes he has 6 shooters off the bench! Jason collins can hit jumpshots, Joe smith use to hit jumpers all day back in cleveland and its still there today, mo can hit 3's, bibby can of course shoot, the rookie can hit jumpers, and last but not least our sixth man of the year jamal crawford can hit jumpers all day!

[APE]

"That old timer still has that jumper he can knock down"

I stopped reading there.

[niremetal]

I actually agree...assuming Collins got off his lard *ss this summer. Honestly, even if he doesn't, the biggest difference between him and Shaq at this point is the respect they get from the refs. Sadly, that counts for a lot.

[pimp]

"That old timer still has that jumper he can knock down"

I stopped reading there.

I didn't even make it that far.That super large bold font is too annoying. :shake_puter:

[JTB]

"That old timer still has that jumper he can knock down"

I stopped reading there.

wow!!!.......are you serious?...........Joe Smith can hit shots and has proven he can. just because he didnt look like much in the limited playing time he got here in atlanta means nothing. Before he got here he was knocking down jumpers in cleveland and that was just last year, before we got him in the off season last summer. His jumper couldnt have left that quick! Some of you guys are judging our players based on what they did here, which is fine if they actually got minutes to do anything! but players like Joe Smith who got no real chance at doing anything shouldnt be judged so quick!...........old timers seem to always have their shots towards the end of their careers look at pj brown when we played him and the celtics two years ago or jerry stackhouse with the bucks! being old dont takeaway your jumper it takes away your athletic abilities,happens to all nba players once they get older.

[JTB]

I didn't even make it that far.That super large bold font is too annoying. :shake_puter:

after proof reading, some of those were mistakes. when hitting caps lock and not noticing...............my bad, didnt think it was that bad anyhow,sorry you cant read it.

[JJFAN4LF]

Why is everyone assuming that Larry Drew will do everything opposite that Woody did wrong? We haven't seen him coach. While I think LD is an upgrade over Woody, I don't expect him to be the saviour of our team. If we bring the same players we had last year and our only additions is Larry Drew being head coach and drafting Jordan Crawford, there is no way we win it next season. Coach Woodson got us to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Larry Drew isn't the difference between getting humiliated in the 2nd round to winning the NBA Championship.

[clicklandshopping]

Why Jason Collins and Joe Smith needs to come back:

Hear me out!...........First off there arent many Centers left that are a sure help, meaning we are in a position now that we either take shaq or not if we want a center from free agency that can surely help us! But after shaq its a bunch of nobodys that are on a level of our own Jason Collins. But the thing about what we would call a nobody like Jason Collins is that we dont give these so called nobodys opputunities. Last year Woody hardly gave anybody on our bench a chance. Hell I say we resign Joe Smith too. I know Joe Smith can be way more effective for us if given more minutes! That old timer still has that jumper he can knock down all the hawks have to do is set him up and I know joe Smith aint no punk when it comes to defending and rebounding! Joe is a smaller PF but he has ALWAYS played bigger than his size much like Al Horford is doing at center. As for Jason Collins I honestly think he can do much better and be effective on defense and hard rebounds if given minutes.Im not saying he's going to be a superstar if given minutes but im not going to call him a bum in the NBA, i mean get real this man has been to a NBA finals before and even though his team lost he was a reason they got there much like perkins is a reason the celtics get places. Jason Collins will bang we just need to use him more and make him feel like he's needed cause at this point I really feel that Woody has held back some of our players and especially our BENCH!

Woody held our bench back because of one HUGE REASON!......No playing time:

Of course Jamal Crawford got his minutes but everybody else minutes either decrease like ZAZA's or just had no minutes and that is a huge concern! We have a GREAT BENCH people Woody didnt know how to use them but im sure LD was aware of that at that time and he will change that cause that is one of the things many are looking at to change about the hawks as well as the offense of course which has already been addressed by LD. Though LD havent talked about playing the bench I know its in his plans to give players who deserve playing time their minutes on the court!

What each Bench player Brings if given minutes from LD:

Assuming we keep the same roster which is looking likely........dont be afraid cause we are b**chin and calling these players garbage and in reality they havent even had a real chance to show what they can do on the hawks like they have had on other teams!

Bibby-Assuming Teague starts which seems to be the plan until he really shows he cant handle it. Bibby will be great off the bench and probably even more effective! he will provide good scoring and we know he will if he get good minutes cause we have seen him play!

Jamal Crawford- No need to explain what he can do! the 6th man of the year will likely win it again and is prob the best scoring threat in the nba coming off the bench! perfect role for him!

mo evans- Mo recieved a major loss in PT this past year and honestly I think it affected his game alot. Mo is a solid defender who can knock down the 3.

Joe Smith- its always good to have a vet coming off the bench but if you dont play them its a old guy sitting and watching. Joe has heart and he plays bigger than he is! thats a plus! to add to it he can knock down a good mid range jumper. LD must play this guy like cleveland did when he was there!

zaza- zaza minutes dropped this year too. dont need to say much about zaza but he is young and still trying to get better with his skills. There maybe centers out there better than him but not many has that HEART and HUSTLE zaza has and we could use that in the post!

Jason Collins- we call him a bum but we aint even seen enough of him too judge him atleast not on the hawks! all im saying for a 7ft 255 pound guy who has been to the nba championship in his lifetime in the NBA to not get any minutes at all thats pretty crazy. I mean this guy even has a little jumper! Its akward looking but he knocks it down! He has good size and prob can be that help on rebounding horford is asking for if given the minutes!

jordan crawford- cant say alot about the rookie but i do know he's a added shooter to the bench and thats good too! I think he can be really good if he can manage to steal minutes from mo, bibby, or teague. as for stealing minutes from jj or jamal that will be a huge challenge for him!

Anybody ever notice how many jump shooter off the bench we have!!!

Wow that bench looks pretty damn good to me! of course adding a player like shaq to the bench will be good but what we have isnt bad! We just need to play these guys. We have a good group to take over when the starters get tired. an as far as LD offense goes he has 6 shooters off the bench! Jason collins can hit jumpshots, Joe smith use to hit jumpers all day back in cleveland and its still there today, mo can hit 3's, bibby can of course shoot, the rookie can hit jumpers, and last but not least our sixth man of the year jamal crawford can hit jumpers all day!

I agreed with everything thing you said but one. I think Woody does know how to use a bench but didn't because his job was on the line. I think the biggest complaint by the players were he rode his top 7 to 8 players to death during the regular season and they were healthy but were wore out come playoff. I think he should have stayed with sitting his key players in the fourth quarter when they had leads at home and eventually used that as motivation so starters would play harder. He used that tactic early but went away from it later toward the playoffs trying to get that 3 seed. I think if Woody would have thought about coaching his best rather than keeping his job, he would still be here. But I understand his view because he always had tons of pressure on him.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Jason Collins is garbage . . . and has been for a while now. Joe Smith too.

But everything is Woody's fault.

Woody made that oil well explode and leak into the Gulf of Mexico too.

[Brokentree]

If there was an optimism award you'd win it with this thread JTB.

Jason Collins has perhaps the worst FG% (41%) of any 7ft player I have ever seen. It is widely considered one of his biggest flaws that he doesn't have any sort of inside game. The purpose of a Jason Collins (7ft fatty) is not to spread the defense. It is to rebound and defend and he has never been a good rebounder.

Joe Smith as a vet signing for the minimum I'd never have a problem with.

Mo Evans will probably see even less playing time this year with the addition of Jordan Crawford. He is a capable bench player but his defense while playing sf is a question mark. I think everyone would rather see JJ playing the backup minutes at sf and the Crawfords playing more backup minutes at sg. His most value is perhaps as a veteran presence for when alot of the 2nd unit is on the floor in garbage time and when we need an extra 3pt shooter on the floor.

Zaza.. I love Zaza.. but man I cringe alot when he plays. He is no Kwame Brown but the man certainly lacks grace.

Jordan Crawford showed flashes in summer league but lets not get ahead of ourselves as others on this board seem be doing. He shot 42% fg and 30% from 3pt range against teams comprised primarily of different sized Randolph Morris clones.

I agree that Woodson didn't use certain players as much as he should have and that our bench last year probably wasn't as bad as it was made out to be, but our bench is not good.

Sure there are a few that can take a jump shot.. but that is about all they can do. We don't have a lock down defender coming off the bench. We don't have a 3pt specialist (just because they can shoot 3's doesn't mean they're that good at it). We don't have anyone that can score effectively as a backup at pf or center. Zaza barely passes as a good backup for rebounding because he has a knack for getting his share of offenseive boards and thats limited primarily to the center position, we lack true pf depth. We don't have any high energy athletic bench players other then guards.

[clicklandshopping]

Why is everyone assuming that Larry Drew will do everything opposite that Woody did wrong? We haven't seen him coach. While I think LD is an upgrade over Woody, I don't expect him to be the saviour of our team. If we bring the same players we had last year and our only additions is Larry Drew being head coach and drafting Jordan Crawford, there is no way we win it next season. Coach Woodson got us to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Larry Drew isn't the difference between getting humiliated in the 2nd round to winning the NBA Championship.

I don't think they have the championship or bust mentallity right now. I think a second round win or aleast be competive against all opponents is what they are looking for next year. Also,if they can get people to live up to their status, that will be a victory also. Although I believe we are closer to a championship team than we think, lets try and work on beating who we are suppose to, being competitive with the big boys every night, and possibly pull off some wins in the playoff that gives us momentum going into the next year.

[Chickenstanley]

This team needs to win ROAD GAMES ---- 25+. A better showing in the playoffs will likely follow this accomplishment, imo.

CS

[JackB1]

Joe Smith contributed zero last year. What makes you think he will be better with even more playing time? He showed me nothing and made me wish we still had a young and developing Solo.

Collins can be useful at times, but lets hope he doesn't spend the offseason eating rice and beans and hits the gym. He can perform the same exact role Shaq would.

[JRid]

I definitely don't think Jason Collins is the answer, but I do think he is better than some people seemed to think. He most definitely needs to get in shape and the hawks need to insist on it. I think I heard Horford mention him needing to get in shape too.

Also, someone mentioned that Shaq gets more respect from the refs than him and that is definitely true. In the playoffs against Orlando they called a bunch of fouls on him and most of them were BS. I think one game he got like 3 fouls in 5 minutes and Woody yanked him out so he didn't get much of a chance. Some of those calls were absolutely rediculous and I can't believe the refs can get away with calling those calls just because it was Jason Collins on Dwight.

[smoove31210]

Why Jason Collins and Joe Smith needs to come back:

Hear me out!...........First off there arent many Centers left that are a sure help, meaning we are in a position now that we either take shaq or not if we want a center from free agency that can surely help us! But after shaq its a bunch of nobodys that are on a level of our own Jason Collins. But the thing about what we would call a nobody like Jason Collins is that we dont give these so called nobodys opputunities. Last year Woody hardly gave anybody on our bench a chance. Hell I say we resign Joe Smith too. I know Joe Smith can be way more effective for us if given more minutes! That old timer still has that jumper he can knock down all the hawks have to do is set him up and I know joe Smith aint no punk when it comes to defending and rebounding! Joe is a smaller PF but he has ALWAYS played bigger than his size much like Al Horford is doing at center. As for Jason Collins I honestly think he can do much better and be effective on defense and hard rebounds if given minutes.Im not saying he's going to be a superstar if given minutes but im not going to call him a bum in the NBA, i mean get real this man has been to a NBA finals before and even though his team lost he was a reason they got there much like perkins is a reason the celtics get places. Jason Collins will bang we just need to use him more and make him feel like he's needed cause at this point I really feel that Woody has held back some of our players and especially our BENCH!

Woody held our bench back because of one HUGE REASON!......No playing time:

Of course Jamal Crawford got his minutes but everybody else minutes either decrease like ZAZA's or just had no minutes and that is a huge concern! We have a GREAT BENCH people Woody didnt know how to use them but im sure LD was aware of that at that time and he will change that cause that is one of the things many are looking at to change about the hawks as well as the offense of course which has already been addressed by LD. Though LD havent talked about playing the bench I know its in his plans to give players who deserve playing time their minutes on the court!

What each Bench player Brings if given minutes from LD:

Assuming we keep the same roster which is looking likely........dont be afraid cause we are b**chin and calling these players garbage and in reality they havent even had a real chance to show what they can do on the hawks like they have had on other teams!

Bibby-Assuming Teague starts which seems to be the plan until he really shows he cant handle it. Bibby will be great off the bench and probably even more effective! he will provide good scoring and we know he will if he get good minutes cause we have seen him play!

Jamal Crawford- No need to explain what he can do! the 6th man of the year will likely win it again and is prob the best scoring threat in the nba coming off the bench! perfect role for him!

mo evans- Mo recieved a major loss in PT this past year and honestly I think it affected his game alot. Mo is a solid defender who can knock down the 3.

Joe Smith- its always good to have a vet coming off the bench but if you dont play them its a old guy sitting and watching. Joe has heart and he plays bigger than he is! thats a plus! to add to it he can knock down a good mid range jumper. LD must play this guy like cleveland did when he was there!

zaza- zaza minutes dropped this year too. dont need to say much about zaza but he is young and still trying to get better with his skills. There maybe centers out there better than him but not many has that HEART and HUSTLE zaza has and we could use that in the post!

Jason Collins- we call him a bum but we aint even seen enough of him too judge him atleast not on the hawks! all im saying for a 7ft 255 pound guy who has been to the nba championship in his lifetime in the NBA to not get any minutes at all thats pretty crazy. I mean this guy even has a little jumper! Its akward looking but he knocks it down! He has good size and prob can be that help on rebounding horford is asking for if given the minutes!

jordan crawford- cant say alot about the rookie but i do know he's a added shooter to the bench and thats good too! I think he can be really good if he can manage to steal minutes from mo, bibby, or teague. as for stealing minutes from jj or jamal that will be a huge challenge for him!

Anybody ever notice how many jump shooter off the bench we have!!!

Wow that bench looks pretty damn good to me! of course adding a player like shaq to the bench will be good but what we have isnt bad! We just need to play these guys. We have a good group to take over when the starters get tired. an as far as LD offense goes he has 6 shooters off the bench! Jason collins can hit jumpshots, Joe smith use to hit jumpers all day back in cleveland and its still there today, mo can hit 3's, bibby can of course shoot, the rookie can hit jumpers, and last but not least our sixth man of the year jamal crawford can hit jumpers all day!

You have got to be kidding with this thread???? Man, you just wasted 30 minutes of your time writing this nonsense about bringing Jason Collins and Joe Smith back...you are comical!

[Swatguy]

You have got to be kidding with this thread???? Man, you just wasted 30 minutes of your time writing this nonsense about bringing Jason Collins and Joe Smith back...you are comical!

What he said.

[Final_quest]

This is a fallacy in fan's thinking all the time. They believe the fantasy that the guy on the bench is underutilized and would be the team difference maker if only given an opportunity. Usually not true. This is pure fantasy.

[NineOhTheRino]

Woody made that oil well explode and leak into the Gulf of Mexico too.

the AJC is reporting that Woody is the reason Cloverfield 2 is on hold. damn you Woody!

Edited July 21, 2010 by NineOhTheRino

[JTB]

This is a fallacy in fan's thinking all the time. They believe the fantasy that the guy on the bench is underutilized and would be the team difference maker if only given an opportunity. Usually not true. This is pure fantasy.

not a fantasy at all but you can believe that. some of these guys dont even get a opputunity and you guys shoot the man down after the season saying he's garbage but in reality you havent even seen him play much here! maybe collins is a someone who wont make a diff but joe smith can be productive on the court if given the minutes. .............you sir are just in denial of what im saying cause you believe in star names knowing we cant get any star players here cause we have no money. what im stating is that since we have no money we mine as well give these guys a opportunity and see what they can do!

[JTB]

You have got to be kidding with this thread???? Man, you just wasted 30 minutes of your time writing this nonsense about bringing Jason Collins and Joe Smith back...you are comical!

no im quite serious.....just like i have stated to someone else, we really have no other way to looking at things so we mine as well get these guys back and actually play them and see what they can do on the court instead of continuing to bi*** about what we dont have. its simple we gon have to make do with what we have and try playing these guys cause no stars look to be coming to ATL, so we play with what we got.