K. Hinrich trade in revision..

[willthepureshooter]

Kirk Hinrich 9.8ppg 2reb 2.3ast as a Hawk.

Jordan Crawford 9.2ppg 1.8reb 2ast as a Wizard.

* There's not much of a difference in the numbers between the rookie and the (8th year) veteran. I've noticed that Hinrich has struggled to stay on the floor due to early foul trouble. This gets to me a lot! We're talking about an $8million/year player who was brought here because of his "heady" play. I'm going to be nice and not talk about the countless turnovers he's had since coming to Atlanta. The trade leaves a sour taste in my mouth because we gave away a quality rookie and a 1st rd pick for a 3rd generation Luke Ridnour. Where's Dan Dickau when you need him (lol)??? Let's find Travis Hansen and sign him to a 10 day contract! Lmao! J/k

[Superiorblogman]

Was a horrible trade from the first moment I heard the particulars and I felt like anyone arguing that it was a good trade was A. Not a fan of the Hawks and there long term nor short term success B. Not a person that can evaluate talent properly C. Maybe into perception more than reality, because the perception that Kirk is a heady good defender is trumped by the reality that he has been traded and passed around a lot lately because he lacks something that is needed.

[willthepureshooter]

Was a horrible trade from the first moment I heard the particulars and I felt like anyone arguing that it was a good trade was A. Not a fan of the Hawks and there long term nor short term success B. Not a person that can evaluate talent properly C. Maybe into perception more than reality, because the perception that Kirk is a heady good defender is trumped by the reality that he has been traded and passed around a lot lately because he lacks something that is needed.

If I was a millionaire I would overnight ship you a Mazarati. Lol. That was well put my man. I'm still arguing about that trade with my friends. Didn't make sense given how much help we need in the longterm. Hinrich is and forever will be an NBA Journeyman.

[TheTruth]

If Teague had stepped up on a consistent basis, even with the minutes he got, then that trade likely never happens.

Hinrich will be huge for us in the playoffs...infinitely better than Bibby. But yes, so far, he has underperformed.

[CBAreject]

I feel like most people loved the trade on here. I was one of the few saying that I thought it was underwhelming and inconsequential. I specifically said we traded two assets for a player who won't affect our outcome this season. I do like Hinrich, but we are what we are, and trading assets without getting much better is a bad idea for an asset-poor team. The Hawks are the worst managed team in the history of professional sports. There aren't many teams I wouldn't trade entire rosters with right now. I feel like we are one of the least likely teams in the NBA to win a championship in the next 5 years.

[Bawse]

Underperformed? Seriously? He's played with the team for a few games and he's underperformed???? The guy hustles more than anyone on the court, and the ball hardly touches his hands on offense. Is it his fault that he's wide open and gets no touches for spot up jumpers? His fault for trying to get the team involved before himself? Maybe... just maybe.... he hasn't meshed with this team yet. Ever thought of that?

That does not stop him from playing shut down defense every damn game and giving it all he's got. He still has to mesh with this team. May come together in the playoffs, may come together next season, who knows for sure.

[niremetal]

Kirk Hinrich 9.8ppg 2reb 2.3ast as a Hawk.

Jordan Crawford 9.2ppg 1.8reb 2ast as a Wizard.

* There's not much of a difference in the numbers between the rookie and the (8th year) veteran. I've noticed that Hinrich has struggled to stay on the floor due to early foul trouble. This gets to me a lot! We're talking about an $8million/year player who was brought here because of his "heady" play. I'm going to be nice and not talk about the countless turnovers he's had since coming to Atlanta. The trade leaves a sour taste in my mouth because we gave away a quality rookie and a 1st rd pick for a 3rd generation Luke Ridnour. Where's Dan Dickau when you need him (lol)??? Let's find Travis Hansen and sign him to a 10 day contract! Lmao! J/k

....and this is why box score stats don't even tell a quarter of the story.

[BIgAl]

it was a good trade for the Hawks. In the playoffs he will be so much useful than Bibby

[Diesel]

I don't know what the Kirk Hinrich hate is about. For that matter, I don't know why there's so much Jordan Crawford love?? Let's get theparticulars out of the way. Had he stayed, Crawford would have never been our SG. He would have not been our PG neither. He would have been a bench player who comes in and plays 14 minutes at best. He gets to start and play in Washington because they SUCK....

Let's get into this:

31 minutes, 9 pts, 14 rebs

28 minutes 12 pts, 16 rebs

29 minutes 3 pts, 8 rebs

26 minutes 14 pts, 8 rebs

36 minutes 14 pts, 10 rebs

37 minutes 13 pts, 11 rebs

41 minutes 16 pts, 17 rebs

41 minutes 21 pts, 10 rebs.

I'm not going to play the guessing game here. These are Shelden Williams rookie stats at the end of his rookie season. He had come off shoulder injury and this is what he put up for the Hawks. At the time, we sucked. Now imagine had our FO treated these numbers like you Jordan Crawford worshippers treat his? We would have never drafted Al Horford. Think about it, you have a rookie C giving you double doubles every night and manning the boards and doing dirty work. Fortunately for us, we have seen the Shelden Williams story play out. Shelly was just not that good. The thing is that when you have a terrible team and you are playing "meaningless" games, you may have a few players who shine when you give them more time. However, that's not the basis for anything. You can do the same treatment for Josh Childress in his rookie year. Some folks thought we should have not gone after Joe because of Childress' stats on a sorry team with more PT. Crawford is playing to ensure that Washington gets a good lottery bid.

So what did we lose out on? A streaky volume shooter who makes takes bad shots and makes bad decisions with the ball.. playing next to a PG who he will never replace? There will be 11 Jordan Crawfords in the 2nd round of the draft.

About Hinrich. You can't be too depressed about having a guy who plays better defense than Bibby?? I mean, this is what it was really all about. So far, it's early and we have some chemistry issues, but the truth is if you sat and watched the playoffs last year, then you should be standing and applauding everytime Hinrich's name is mentioned. We have our flaws, but the one thing is that Hinrich makes our back court defense formidable. I'm not saying that we're great but I am saying that the whole team doesn't have to cover for Bibby's OLAY defense.

I say let this trade take hold and then let's evaluate it. However, if you're trying to evaluate this trade by a Jordan Crawford Boxscore then you really don't have an understanding of this game whatsoever... Go back to your playstation.

Edited March 16, 2011 by Diesel

[CWebb]

I feel like most people loved the trade on here. I was one of the few saying that I thought it was underwhelming and inconsequential. I specifically said we traded two assets for a player who won't affect our outcome this season. I do like Hinrich, but we are what we are, and trading assets without getting much better is a bad idea for an asset-poor team. The Hawks are the worst managed team in the history of professional sports. There aren't many teams I wouldn't trade entire rosters with right now. I feel like we are one of the least likely teams in the NBA to win a championship in the next 5 years.

If you really meant that, it's so stupid

[JohnnyCASH]

at the end of the day defense wins games

[Gray Mule]

And, last night, our "other" player we obtained in the trade came into the game late and

hit 2-2 from the field, the second one a spectacular, going out of bounds in the air. nothing

but net shot.

Wow! As long as we're talking about all we lost in the trade, let's look at what we gained.

Hawks needed a "big" more than we needed another shooting guard to back up JJ and

Crawford. Third string center vs a third string SG.

GO HAWKS!!

:mail:

[Watchman]

Kirk Hinrich 9.8ppg 2reb 2.3ast as a Hawk.

Jordan Crawford 9.2ppg 1.8reb 2ast as a Wizard.

* There's not much of a difference in the numbers between the rookie and the (8th year) veteran.

I've noticed that Hinrich has struggled to stay on the floor due to early foul trouble.

This gets to me a lot! We're talking about an $8million/year player who was brought here because of his "heady" play. I'm going to be nice and not talk about the countless turnovers he's had since coming to Atlanta. The trade leaves a sour taste in my mouth because we gave away a quality rookie and a 1st rd pick for a 3rd generation Luke Ridnour. Where's Dan Dickau when you need him (lol)??? Let's find Travis Hansen and sign him to a 10 day contract! Lmao! J/k

Chances are if anyone hoisted up as many shots as Crawford they could score as much. You gotta love those high volume scorers shooting 38% and 25% on threes. Hinrich shoots 49% overall and 53% on threes. About the early foul trouble - hmm, sounds similar to that Horford guy. 19 turnovers is countless? Who knew? Let's check on Crawford since the trade. Oh you're right, Crawford has less...uh, 18 turnovers. He doesn't play a lick of defense either.

We get it now. You and Superiorblogman don't like Hinrich. You don't have to tell us three hundred times a day. We know you don't like him.

[Sothron]

Chances are if anyone hoisted up as many shots as Crawford they could score as much. You gotta love those high volume scorers shooting 38% and 25% on threes. Hinrich shoots 49% overall and 53% on threes. About the early foul trouble - hmm, sounds similar to that Horford guy. 19 turnovers is countless? Who knew? Let's check on Crawford since the trade. Oh you're right, Crawford has less...uh, 18 turnovers. He doesn't play a lick of defense either.

We get it now. You and Superiorblogman don't like Hinrich. You don't have to tell us three hundred times a day. We know you don't like him.

This. I gave out +1 and -1 as needed. Hinrich is light years better than Bibby or Young Craw on defense and he's making his shots. I'd rather have a guy who can get me 10 points on great shooting with great defense than a guy who sprays shots all over the field and can't defend a statue.

[coachx]

I still like the trade alot.

Simply comparing per game stat averages doesn't hold much water when 1 team is the worst team in the league and anyone can get minutes on their poor roster. Anyone can show up on Cleveland's roster and chuck up shots to the tune of 9 ppg. They have no scorers on their roster after trading away their veterans.

Hinrich best attribute is perimeter defense and that doesn't show up in box scores. That also happened to be the Hawks #1 weakness before the trade with Bibby at PG. How can anyone, with a brain, ignore that ? The Hawks were also to light-hearted and not serious enough. Hinrich helps correct that too.

Then there is the arguement of positional strength. Jordan Crawford was the 3rd best SG on this team and Hinrich is the #1 PG on this roster. Roster chemistry should be in the equation as well.

Edited March 16, 2011 by coachx

[AUhawksfan]

I'm just glad I don't have to see Bibby get beat off the dribble anymore, unless it's on an ESPN recap of a Miami game.

[ATLSmith]

But the Hawks defense is so much better now. They used to get absolutely killed by quick guards. It was embarrassing at times. Orlando would come to town and the Hawks biggest concern would be Jameer Nelson, never mind Dwight.

[sasuke]

Only stat nerds don't like this trade. Defense wins championships. On ball defense > than BPG & SPG.

[Kimsey]

KH is a combo guard, nothing more or less. He could be in the same boat that JC is this time next year except probably traded. At age 30 he's basically a rich mans royal ivey.

[Guest]

The trade isn't about Jordan...it's what we've gained having Kirk in lieu of Bibby.