Smoove S&T to Celtics?

[ATLscrubLove]

This is very much just a rumor... If that, something Bill Simmons was saying so take it as a grain of salt. However, do the Celtics have anything we could really use? No way they give up Rondo... Maybe Green, pick(s), Bradley... Idk just wondering if the Celtics will really be looking for a Smoove S&T. I guess whatever we can get for Smoove would be a bonus at this point (assuming small contracts)

[Admin]

Not seeing a rumor. Is there a link to this? I'm sure it's just Bill Simmons throwing out the typical rumors he likes to throw out to improve the Celtics while raping the other team.

[Guest]

Bill Simmons wants to trade sullinger for Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook + 1st round pick........................

[Chinky_eyed_hawk]

I did see a rumor mentioning that the celts didn't know if they were bringing PP back, so they could make a run at Smoove. I think its hoopshype or somewhere like that that mentioned it briefly amid the Doc trade talk.

But then again, if the source was Simmons then no wonder. Celts are his team

[Dragitoff]

Would Rondo for Smith work (assuming the salaries are similar?). I only ask because I proposed that a while back and was told it wouldn't work because of Boston's cap situation. If that kind of deal works, maybe we'd look at upgrading PG through trade rather than FA.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

If we strike out on Paul and Howard, I'd do a sign and trade of Smith for Green in a heartbeat. That would instantly give the Hawks the SF that we need . . a guy who can put the ball on the floor and shoot the 3. We could do that, re-sign Teague, and still have enough money to give to a guy like Al Jefferson. And if available, and if we're over the salary cap, give OJ Mayo the full MLE.

Each player's draft position is in parenthesis.

PG - Teague ( 19 )

G - Mayo ( 3 )

F - Green ( 5 )

PF - Horford ( 3 )

C - Jefferson ( 10 )

Two shooters on the wing, who can also create their own shot. A low post center with great low post moves. A young PG still coming into his own. And a PF who can shoot the midrange jumper, run the floor, and function as the backup center.

Add that with Lou Williams, Jenkins, Scott, and possibly Ivan, that's a squad I can roll with, if we strike out on the big prize.

[Admin]

Would Rondo for Smith work (assuming the salaries are similar?). I only ask because I proposed that a while back and was told it wouldn't work because of Boston's cap situation. If that kind of deal works, maybe we'd look at upgrading PG through trade rather than FA.

Josh would have to sign for $12-13 million to make it work but we wouldn't have to worry about his trade kicker anymore being a factor. I'm not sure that FerryBudz would want to deal with the headache that is Rondo though.

[Admin]

If we strike out on Paul and Howard, I'd do a sign and trade of Smith for Green in a heartbeat. That would instantly give the Hawks the SF that we need . . a guy who can put the ball on the floor and shoot the 3. We could do that, re-sign Teague, and still have enough money to give to a guy like Al Jefferson. And if available, and if we're over the salary cap, give OJ Mayo the full MLE.

Each player's draft position is in parenthesis.

PG - Teague ( 19 )

G - Mayo ( 3 )

F - Green ( 5 )

PF - Horford ( 3 )

C - Jefferson ( 10 )

Two shooters on the wing, who can also create their own shot. A low post center with great low post moves. A young PG still coming into his own. And a PF who can shoot the midrange jumper, run the floor, and function as the backup center.

Add that with Lou Williams, Jenkins, Scott, and possibly Ivan, that's a squad I can roll with, if we strike out on the big prize.

The full MLE (for room teams) that we'd have is somewhere around $3 million. I don't have the CBA with me right now and I'm mobile so I can't say the exact amount but we won't have the regular $5+ million that non-tax paying teams over the salary cap get.

But after seeing Green in the playoffs I might consider making that trade. He only makes $9 million though so we'd probably have to take on another player from the Celtics as well, unless Josh signs for cheap to play there.

[Dragitoff]

Josh would have to sign for $12-13 million to make it work but we wouldn't have to worry about his trade kicker anymore being a factor. I'm not sure that FerryBudz would want to deal with the headache that is Rondo though.

Rondo is a head case for sure, but he's an elite PG. When Parker first came in the league, he had a shaky jumper. Maybe Bud feels he could control Rondo and work on his jumper. He's also an elite defender at PG.

[EazyRoc]

If we could get Green and their first for next year, that would be awesome. I got the strangest feeling they are really going to suck next year.

[Admin]

Rondo is a head case for sure, but he's an elite PG. When Parker first came in the league, he had a shaky jumper. Maybe Bud feels he could control Rondo and work on his jumper. He's also an elite defender at PG.

Rondo the player is someone I'd love to have. But his on court temper tantrums and throwing video monitors and being a divisive player in the locker room are far different issues than fixing a shaky jumper of a willing player. This would be a huge gamble and I don't know that is something we should consider with a brand new head coach.

[Dragitoff]

Rondo the player is someone I'd love to have. But his on court temper tantrums and throwing video monitors and being a divisive player in the locker room are far different issues than fixing a shaky jumper of a willing player. This would be a huge gamble and I don't know that is something we should consider with a brand new head coach.

That's true. It may not be a risk they'd be willing to take but then again, sometimes you gotta risk a little to get a lot.

[AHF]

I can't sign on to acquiring Green at that price. He seems like his value is being inflated because he had his first good playoff performance of his career. The guy is an OK scorer and subpar defender at $9-10M per year for the next 3 years.

[Q45T]

I'd take Bradley and/or Green in a S&T for Smoove in a heartbeat.

Edited June 18, 2013 by Q45T

[Admin]

I'd take Bradley and/or Green in a S&T for Smoove in a heartbeat.

I'm pretty sure even Al Harrington Fan couldn't poop on that one with the inclusion of Bradley. But I highly doubt the Cs would trade him in that deal.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

That's why I said to sign Mayo after we got over the Salary Cap.

Say we get a salary breakdown like this

PG - Teague ( 7 million )

G -

F - Green ( 8.97 million )

PF - Horford ( 12 million )

C - Jefferson ( 12 million )

G - Lou ( 5.23 mill )

G - Jenkins ( 1.26 mill )

F - Ivan ( 2 mill ) . . . I'm all for giving him a 2 yr - 4 million deal, with a team option in year 2.

F - Scott ( 0.79 mill )

#17 - ( 1.35 mill )

#18 - ( 1.28 mill )

2 or 3 cap holds ( 1 - 1.5 million )

Roughly around 54 million

Maybe we opt to sign a backup PG or a C with the money we still have left under the cap, if we don't draft one.

Maybe we sign a defensive specialist at the G spot.

Maybe we'll wait to re-sign Ivan, so that we can go over the cap a little. At that point, if the Hawks want to remain a playoff level team, maybe they'll use the entire MLE to get Mayo.

Or maybe the goal is to stay under the salary cap, so that the ownership can save money and try to develop the young players. If this is the plan, I don't want them drafting for "need". I want them drafting the absolute best players available, regardless of position.

[macdaddy]

Dolf my reading comprehension has gone way down since you changed your avatar. I try to be a good boy and you aren't helping.

[Dragitoff]

If the C's did a Rondo for Josh deal and then worked the deal with the Clipps Jordan for Garnett, they'd have a good athletic core to start building around. Bradley, Pierce (could still be traded or amnestied), Green, Smith, Jordan. Not a bad starting 5 with some youth.

[yungsta]

Like Dr J said never trade with the celtics or lakers.

The celtics always looking to rape other teams in deals and always seem to overvalue their player. They probably wont even offer green and avery bradley. The trade offer would probably be like terry, courtney lee, fab melo, and a 1st rounder.

They tried to get eric bledsoe, deandre jordan and 2 first round picks for a 37 year old KG who could retire or fall apart at any minute. Now that deal is dead because the clippers didnt want to give up multiple 1st rounders.

Edit: forgot to add they were trading doc rivers too but that is still wayy too much

Edited June 18, 2013 by yungsta

[Admin]

That's why I said to sign Mayo after we got over the Salary Cap.

Say we get a salary breakdown like this

PG - Teague ( 7 million )

G -

F - Green ( 8.97 million )

PF - Horford ( 12 million )

C - Jefferson ( 12 million )

G - Lou ( 5.23 mill )

G - Jenkins ( 1.26 mill )

F - Ivan ( 2 mill ) . . . I'm all for giving him a 2 yr - 4 million deal, with a team option in year 2.

F - Scott ( 0.79 mill )

#17 - ( 1.35 mill )

#18 - ( 1.28 mill )

2 or 3 cap holds ( 1 - 1.5 million )

Roughly around 54 million

Maybe we opt to sign a backup PG or a C with the money we still have left under the cap, if we don't draft one.

Maybe we sign a defensive specialist at the G spot.

Maybe we'll wait to re-sign Ivan, so that we can go over the cap a little. At that point, if the Hawks want to remain a playoff level team, maybe they'll use the entire MLE to get Mayo.

Or maybe the goal is to stay under the salary cap, so that the ownership can save money and try to develop the young players. If this is the plan, I don't want them drafting for "need". I want them drafting the absolute best players available, regardless of position.

So you think Mayo will sign for $2.5-$3 million or whatever our MLE (for room teams) amount will be? I'm under the impression that you are under the same impression I was until Buzzard and HF and crew cleared me up that we will never get the full $5 millionish MLE (for non-tax paying teams) that teams over the cap at the beginning of the free agent season will get. Even if we spend up to the salary cap we will never get that amount.