Missed opportunities... How to aquire talent.

[Diesel]

Right now, we're on the cap flexibility campaign.  Fans have become desperately Bored because "we have never had this much cap flexibility and we want to see our team get somebody."

 

My contention is that while DFerry knows a lot about basketball, he doesn't know a lot about getting talent in Atlanta.  Neither did Sund. BKnight knew what it would take but he just couldn't do it right.  So let's discuss...

 

First. the main ways to acquire talent.

 

1.  Free Agency

2.  Trade.

3. Draft

4.  Build your own.  (player development).

 

Sund was just a caretaker.  His whole program was to take care of what BK built.

 

Ferry is a visionary but understand, Ferry has never worked for a pro team that didn't have one of the best players in the history of the game playing for it.  I mean, he's had Lebron and Duncan.  As we're seeing right now, Lebron says come here and people come.  Lebron says draft him and he's drafted.   Somebody ask if you want to play with Duncan and the answer is heck yes.

 

That's different than what we have in Atlanta.  Ferry is trying to get that superstar via FAcy.  That usually doesn't work unless you overpay.  He scoffed at tanking to the draft and with his recent trade of Bebe, we don't know about building your own.

 

It's instructive to look at the BK years... BK understood the market...

He overpaid for star talent (Joe Johnson)

He tanked for the draft.

BK's problem was that he was so caught up in his mantra that he couldn't make the right picks.

 

This leads to missed opportunities of the past..

 

NOT MISSED DRAFT PICKS.. we have talked about those ad nosiem.

 

But...Missed trades between BK, Sund, and Ferry...

 

1.  Marvin Williams.  BK's biggest Bust.  Instead of waiting 7 years for some magic to happen, we should have traded him for something when he had value.

 

2.  Josh Smith.   Right about the turn of his second contract, we should have traded Smoove.   I know that the ASG wanted him to be the face of the team but his value was high and his game was depleting.  Actually, I would have like to see what this team could have been with Joe on it and Smoove traded for value.  It's a shame that we just let Smoove fall by the wayside and got no value for him.

 

3.  Joe Johnson.  Yet again.  6 time allstar traded for a box of doughnuts.  Next year is the year.   IF Brooklyn doesn't go on a losing streak, then we've lost on that deal too.

 

4.  The Crawford.  I don't know if this was necessary.  I felt that we kept Marvin over Crawford because Marvin was younger.

 

So here begins our poll of sorts...

What's the biggest missed opportunity that these Hawks have missed over the last 10 years??

 

 Either FAcy,  trade, draft, or player development.

 

I will say...

 

Not resigning Crawford and looking for a deal for Marvin.

 

[Final_quest]

Not drafting Chris Paul.  Biggest miss.

[Guest]

Answer: Shelhead

 

Not drafting Chris Paul.  Biggest miss.

Meh, the Hor/Pelicans didn't accomplish much with him.

[JETSET]

Lol. Did you just say that the bebe trade means that our front office and staff do not know about player development?

You're going to need to engage your inspector gadget powers for that big of a reach.

Edited July 23, 2014 by JETSET

[Plainview1981]

Answer: Shelhead

 

Meh, the Hor/Pelicans didn't accomplish much with him.

 

Marvin did not accomplish anything. There is the possibility that Paul could have drawn a top notch FA here.

 

It's the biggest mistake of the last 10 years without a doubt.

[Diesel]

Lol. Did you just say that the bebe trade means that our front office and staff do not know about player development?

You're going to need to engage your inspector gadget powers for that big of a reach.

 

Simply put, our coaching staff saw no reason to develop Bebe.  We sent him back to the place where he never gained weight or got better. He wasn't that far off.  He needed to gain weight.  However, Dennis is 162.

Moreover, how much development did our coaching staff do with Dennis?

It's nice to point and say that because we got a good coach that we develop players.  However, the proof of that is not quite visible.

[Diesel]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make us revisit Paul again.  So for now, let's take our draft miscues off the table.

 

Between FAcy, Trades, and Player Development, where did we miss?

[Alex]

Not being able to develop Boris Diaw pretty much sucks.

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[JETSET]

Simply put, our coaching staff saw no reason to develop Bebe. We sent him back to the place where he never gained weight or got better. He wasn't that far off. He needed to gain weight. However, Dennis is 162.

Moreover, how much development did our coaching staff do with Dennis?

It's nice to point and say that because we got a good coach that we develop players. However, the proof of that is not quite visible.

I would say they did a pretty damn good job in their first year. Carroll, scott and mack all showed great improvement. Muscala looks to be much improved from his first summer league. Development doesn't happen overnight, but our staff have proven and will continue to prove to be great developers of talent.

Watch what happens with bazemore over these next two years if you want proof.

[Guest]

Simply put, our coaching staff saw no reason to develop Bebe. We sent him back to the place where he never gained weight or got better. He wasn't that far off. He needed to gain weight. However, Dennis is 162.

Moreover, how much development did our coaching staff do with Dennis?

It's nice to point and say that because we got a good coach that we develop players. However, the proof of that is not quite visible.

Dennis was listed at 178lbs on the Summer League Roster, his shot mechanics have changed.

Mack, Scott and now Muscala have all improved.

Even your favorite DMC was better than most thought he would be and he credited it to player development. Who knew Milsap could should the 3?

There was an article I came across about the 'Daily Vitamin' that each player worked on something with the coaches daily.

I'll see if I can look it up.

[Bahamut]

 

How to acquire talent

 

[DrReality]

Not being able to develop Boris Diaw pretty much sucks.

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I remember Woody saying her was a SG?  

[Guest]

I remember Woody saying her was a SG?

Boris told Woody "I cannot play for you with this ISO ball" not the exact quote but close lol.

[Diesel]

I would say they did a pretty damn good job in their first year. Carroll, scott and mack all showed great improvement. Muscala looks to be much improved from his first summer league. Development doesn't happen overnight, but our staff have proven and will continue to prove to be great developers of talent.

Watch what happens with bazemore over these next two years if you want proof.

 

 

Some of that you speak of is just playing time.  Muscala went overseas and played on a championship team.   Carroll and Scott got a boost in playing time.   We all expect Bazemore to improve because he will likely be our starter.

[turnermx]

It is too bad Bud wasnt here when Boris was drafted. He would have fit like a glove with Buds style.

[Diesel]

Not being able to develop Boris Diaw pretty much sucks.

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That's a very good one.   Boris was a multifaceted player but we tried to make him into a Scorer.

[hazer]

Boris told Woody "I cannot play for you with this ISO ball" not the exact quote but close lol.

During his exit interview, Woody told Boris he wanted him to be more of a shooter next year. Boris replied "I cannot play for you."

[turnermx]

Woody's style changed Joe into an Iso specialist. I really dont think that Billy Knight would be looked upon so negatively if we had a coach like Bud and staff like he has utilize the talent Knight acquired in this system we have now. In fact i think it might have been so good that people might have forgot about passing on CP3.

[Ahab]

1. Eric Bledsoe

2. Greg Monroe

These are good young building blocks that would remain trade assets in the future. The Hawks should be doing everything in their power to acquire them even if it means giving up good players and the team not being as competitive in the next season.

[Diesel]

OK.. this Brings about a NEW Topic....

 

 

IN THE LAST 9 Years, what Former Hawk would have flourished under Coach Bud and His System?