Horford's New Go-To Move - The Defended Fadeaway

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31 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Who though?  Right now the only vets allegedly available are Morris (PHO), Anderson (NO), Smith (LAC), Lantz (LAC), Lawson/Jones/Donatas (HOU).

Although I absolutely hate him, Morris could actually help us in terms of bringing some attitude.  Assuming he doesn't completely napalm the locker-room.

Anderson would help us too but I'm not sure we could come up with a package enticing enough for them, especially considering they apparently think they're still in it.

If those are my only choices, I only like Ryan Anderson. I'm not sure we need "tude"per say. I think we just need a hungry vet who fits the system. I do like Ryan Anderson and Ariza.

[macdaddy]

Man.  Looking at this again it is a little confounding.    Our rotation has shrunk big time.    Patterson and Holiday got basically nothing in terms of minutes so our bench at this point is essentially Dennis/Baze/Muscala.    That's rough.      That's not getting us anywhere.    2 guards and a jump shooting, weak PF.     No wonder we got manhandled.    At least Scott and Mack could bring some energy on the second night of a back to back.     And splitter is no answer so far anyway.     So on a back to back we asked 3 guys who are all undersized or jump shooters to take every single frontcourt minute.        

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11 hours ago, Mdizzle5 said:

The other part of Pop he's missing is Tim Duncan period. 

That said, I don't think Bud would ever trade Horford. He likes his stretch bigs. 

Pop also hates the three while Bud adores it.

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Mike Scott's last game :  14 points on 5-9 shooting, 1-2 from 3, 3-4 from the FT line, 3 rebounds, 3 assists in 16 minutes.   Granted it was the Lakers.   I'm not saying he's the answer to everything but not understanding why he's getting DNP when the guys are running on fumes and Al and Sap score 2 points combined in the first half.  

Horford has 47 Free throw attempts in 759 minutes, Scott has 22 in 232

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38 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Pop also hates the three while Bud adores it.

That's not true. Pop likes the 3 just fine despite anything he has said lately.

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50 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Man.  Looking at this again it is a little confounding.    Our rotation has shrunk big time.    Patterson and Holiday got basically nothing in terms of minutes so our bench at this point is essentially Dennis/Baze/Muscala.    That's rough.      That's not getting us anywhere.    2 guards and a jump shooting, weak PF.     No wonder we got manhandled.    At least Scott and Mack could bring some energy on the second night of a back to back.     And splitter is no answer so far anyway.     So on a back to back we asked 3 guys who are all undersized or jump shooters to take every single frontcourt minute.        

Scott has a knee contusion, that's why he didn't play the last two games.

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43 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Pop also hates the three while Bud adores it.

Pop may hate it but he understands it's value.  His entire quote:

"I still hate it," Popovich told reporters before the Spurs' 97-94 loss to theToronto Raptors. "I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball. I think it's kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don't we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing.

"But that's just me, that's just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you're going to lose. And every time we've won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you've gotta be able to do it. 

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48 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Pop also hates the three while Bud adores it.

Oh, stop.  Don't buy into that nonsensical quote just 'cause it fits your narrative.

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8 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Pop may hate it but he understands it's value.  His entire quote:

"I still hate it," Popovich told reporters before the Spurs' 97-94 loss to theToronto Raptors. "I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball. I think it's kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don't we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing.

"But that's just me, that's just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you're going to lose. And every time we've won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you've gotta be able to do it. 

This still doesn't change anything really.

Pop doesn't love it (Despite realizing that its a need) but Bud clearly loves it.

Sure, Pop lets guys like Mano and Green shoot 3's... But I doubt he would be happy if Duncan took 3's the way the Hawks "bigs" take them.

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5 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

This still doesn't change anything really.

Pop doesn't love it (Despite realizing that its a need) but Bud clearly loves it.

Sure, Pop lets guys like Mano and Green shoot 3's... But I doubt he would be happy if Duncan took 3's the way the Hawks "bigs" take them.

Of course he wouldn't want Duncan shooting 3's,  that's not  and has never been his skill set, he is a true post player with a myriad of moves that Horf can't sniff. Matt Bonner on the other hand is his 3pt shooting Center.

 

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22 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Scott has a knee contusion, that's why he didn't play the last two games.

Ah.  Shows what i know. 

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1 minute ago, macdaddy said:

Ah.  Shows what i know. 

@macdaddy   and you call yourself a hawks fan 

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I know this isn't going to be popular on this site, but I would love to trade Horford for Pau Gasol.   I saw the topic below, and I hear the comments about Gasol being 'soft', but he averages 10.8 rebounds and 2.2 blocks per game.   Not too many 'soft' players average that many rebounds or blocks.  (Marc Gasol is the soft one.)  Pau is more of an inside player than Al is.  He averaged almost 19 PPG last year, and is scoring similar to Al right now, while getting three more rebounds and .7 blocks per game more than Al too.  

I also hear the complaints about his defense, but I don't see Al as being an elite defender, and I think it is extremely counter productive for him to be shooting threes.  His rebounding gets worse every year.  Since Gasol signed with Chicago for a low salary, we'd have to include 2 Bulls.  I ran a trade on RealGM for Gasol and Dunleavy for Horford and Hardaway, and it worked (don't really want Dunleavy, but his salary made the trade work.)  There is also some sort of trade restriction on Dunleavy effective until January 15, 2016, as I recall.  

I never really wanted to get rid of Al before, but I'm just tired of the 4 rebound games and Josh Smith 3 pt shot imitation that Al is putting on this year.  Also, he is the shortest 6'10" guy I've ever seen.  He looks to be barely taller than Korver and Millsap. 

 

Edited December 11, 2015 by Watchman

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I know i've been horford bashing today and last night's game was very frustrating.   But his rebounds and Free Throws are up in December so i think there is course correction going on.   Unfortunately he's only shooting 25% on 3s for december and doesn't seem to be shooting any less.    I'm not for trading him for Gasol because Gasol just isn't going to continue to be effective that much longer.    We have a good team that needs more talent.   We still have a few years to make work because most of the guys aren't nearing decline yet.   Gasol is so we'd just be searching again real soon.   Plus I don't think Gasol would make a big enough difference for us to be contenders.   He certiainly hasn't done that in Chicago and they have more talent.  

[Sarcatic1]

Al started slow last season but he had a good reason, he was coming off an injury. This year however he has played softer than any other time he has as a Hawk. I have been patient with him but last night was it for me. He has had other moments this season that really made me  shake my head , like that game where it was a loose ball right in front of him and he made absolutely no attempt to try and get it.  Seeing him constantly jack up 3's, avoid contact, not battle on the glass, pass up shots at the rim to kick to a shooter, and looking like he is not engaged most games is more than enough.  Paying Al the max and going forward with the under sized front court of him and Sap will just continue to highlight a weakness we have seen for years as fans of this team..

 

A move has to be made. Something has to give at some point but I'm afraid that Bud likes his guys and continuity so things might not change.

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4 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I know i've been horford bashing today and last night's game was very frustrating.   But his rebounds and Free Throws are up in December so i think there is course correction going on.   Unfortunately he's only shooting 25% on 3s for december and doesn't seem to be shooting any less.    I'm not for trading him for Gasol because Gasol just isn't going to continue to be effective that much longer.    We have a good team that needs more talent.   We still have a few years to make work because most of the guys aren't nearing decline yet.   Gasol is so we'd just be searching again real soon.   Plus I don't think Gasol would make a big enough difference for us to be contenders.   He certiainly hasn't done that in Chicago and they have more talent.  

Understand your point of view, but Horford is up for a new contract next year, and I just cringe at the thought of overpaying him to be a wimp for another 4-5 years.

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9 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

We have a good team that needs more talent.

If we're going to listen to some of the people on here the only way this team wins a championship is:

1. A complete philosophy change (forget the idea of stretch bigs starting together completely and go acquire that big man that is mostly a garbage type, can average 10-12 RPG per 36 and block shots well).

2. Acquire that superstar. Either by FA or a trade.

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1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Of course he wouldn't want Duncan shooting 3's,  that's not  and has never been his skill set, he is a true post player with a myriad of moves that Horf can't sniff. Matt Bonner on the other hand is his 3pt shooting Center.

 

Diaw would be the better comp, Bonner is a more rarely used specialist whereas Diaw is thick in the rotation.

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1 minute ago, MaceCase said:

Diaw would be the better comp, Bonner is a more rarely used specialist whereas Diaw is thick in the rotation.

Forgot about Diaw.

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Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

Forgot about Diaw.

Call that Hawknesia.  Did you know that Marvin is rebounding the ball almost exactly as well as Al?