The 3-point Conundrum

[JayBirdHawk]

Trae is 7-41 from 3 (17% ) since the calender turned to 2024 [knee contusion to end 2023 (and now last night) and a persistent shoulder 'something' can't be good]. He should sit our tonight's game.

Bogi isn't fearing much better 13-42 - 30%

Bey either, he's  10-31 - 32% 

DJ is the only one with efficiency at 12-23 - 52% 

[JayBirdHawk]

Bogi and The Bey are free Falling from 3pt land.

Bogi

 

Bey:

 

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Trae isn't having a great January either

[JayBirdHawk]

On 1/9/2024 at 10:24 PM, JayBirdHawk said:

Thru 35 games and just 3 games into 2024, we have fallen off from 3

36% and over

Garrison - 45.7% (21-46)

Hunter - 40.4% (46-114) *25 games

DJ - 38.4% (81-212)

JJ - 37.7% (23-61)

Bogi - 37.5% (110-293)

Trae - 36.5% (112-307) 

 

30%-35.9%

Bey - 34.0% (61-191)

AJ - 32.1% (9-28) 

 

29.9% and under

OO - 29.5% (13-44)

Wes - 20.0% (6-30)

 

Concerning: Every player except DJ has fallen off from 3 the last few games.

Falling and Falling: Saddiq Bey 

42 games:

 

36% and over

Patty - 52.6% (10-19) *11 Games

Garrison - 47.7% (31-65)

Hunter - 40.4% (46-114) *25 games

JJ - 39.7% (31-78)

DJ - 38.2% (97-254)

Bogi - 36.5% (123-337)

Trae - 36.4% (128-352) 

 

30%-35.9%

Bey - 31.2% (73-234)

 

29.9% and under

OO - 29.8% (14-47)

AJ - 29.0% (9-31)

Wes - 20.0% (6-30)

 

 

Falling and Falling and Falling some more: Saddiq Bey 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

The Hawks are shooting 36.4% (171/470) on corner 3s this season. League average is 39.5%. Bey is shooting 27.6% (37/134) on corner 3s. Only 2 other players (Bogi, Murray) have more than 40 attempts. They are at 41.5%.

[JayBirdHawk]

On 1/21/2024 at 9:10 AM, JayBirdHawk said:

42 games:

 

36% and over

Patty - 52.6% (10-19) *11 Games

Garrison - 47.7% (31-65)

Hunter - 40.4% (46-114) *25 games

JJ - 39.7% (31-78)

DJ - 38.2% (97-254)

Bogi - 36.5% (123-337)

Trae - 36.4% (128-352) 

 

30%-35.9%

Bey - 31.2% (73-234)

 

29.9% and under

OO - 29.8% (14-47)

AJ - 29.0% (9-31)

Wes - 20.0% (6-30)

 

 

Falling and Falling and Falling some more: Saddiq Bey 

 

49 Games:

36% and over

Garrison - 44.0% (37-84)

Hunter - 39.7% (48-121) 

Patty - 39.4% (13-33) *18 Games

Trae - 38.3% (51-394) 

Bogi - 37.0% (147-397)

JJ - 36.8% (43-117)

DJ - 36.8% (109-296)

 

30%-35.9%

OO - 32.1% (18-56)

Bey - 30.3% (81-267)

 

29.9% and under

AJ - 27.3% (9-33)

Wes - 22.9% (8-35)

 

 

Falling and Falling and Falling some more: Saddiq Bey, he's going to fall below 30% shortly if this keeps up.

[REHawksFan]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

49 Games:

36% and over

Garrison - 44.0% (37-84)

Hunter - 39.7% (48-121) 

Patty - 39.4% (13-33) *18 Games

Trae - 38.3% (51-394) 

Bogi - 37.0% (147-397)

JJ - 36.8% (43-117)

DJ - 36.8% (109-296)

 

30%-35.9%

OO - 32.1% (18-56)

Bey - 30.3% (81-267)

 

29.9% and under

AJ - 27.3% (9-33)

Wes - 22.9% (8-35)

 

 

Falling and Falling and Falling some more: Saddiq Bey, he's going to fall below 30% shortly if this keeps up.

Trae's last 3 games:  20-31 (64.5%).  Keep it up and he'll be pushing 40% before long.  And it's on high volume as well.  Good stuff.  Wish he'd get his floater going more though.  

Also:

• Trae is 3rd in 3P FGM (151) / Trae is 5th in 3P FGA (394)
• Bogi is 6th in 3P FGM (147) / Bogi is 4th in 3P FGA (397)

Last year, Trae finished 48th in 3P FGM (154) and 30th in 3P FGA (460)

As a team, Atlanta is 670-1859 (36.0%) this year which is 7th in FGM and 5th in FGA (19th in %) after being 882-2505 last year which ranked 26th in FGM and 28th in FGA (21st in % at 35.2%)

So even though the % hasn't gone up dramatically, just the general philosophy has changed for the better.  Take more make more.  Would be nice for the % to inch closer to 38% rather than 36%.  But I like Quin's overall philosophy.  

 

Edited February 4 by REHawksFan

[JayBirdHawk]

Since missing his first game as a Hawk, Bey has shot 7-13 from 3, 53.8%  in his last 2 games.

Maybe he just needed a game off to fix his 3 point shooting.

[JayBirdHawk]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:50 AM, JayBirdHawk said:

Falling and Falling and Falling some more: Saddiq Bey, he's going to fall below 30% shortly if this keeps up.

Going 9-18 over his last 3 games has kept him from falling below 30%. Now sits at 31.6%

[Gray Mule]

Sometimes they go swish!  Sometimes they go clang!

Now, if they could repair their free throw % and their 3 point shooting, we would soon climb up to that elusive .500 mark!!

[JayBirdHawk]

On 2/4/2024 at 10:50 AM, JayBirdHawk said:

49 Games:

36% and over

Garrison - 44.0% (37-84)

Hunter - 39.7% (48-121) 

Patty - 39.4% (13-33) *18 Games

Trae - 38.3% (51-394) 

Bogi - 37.0% (147-397)

JJ - 36.8% (43-117)

DJ - 36.8% (109-296)

 

30%-35.9%

OO - 32.1% (18-56)

Bey - 30.3% (81-267)

 

29.9% and under

AJ - 27.3% (9-33)

Wes - 22.9% (8-35)

 

 

Falling and Falling and Falling some more: Saddiq Bey, he's going to fall below 30% shortly if this keeps up.

After 55 Games and at the Allstar Break:

36% and over

Garrison - 44.0% (40-91)

Hunter - 42.1%% (61-145)  *31 Games

Patty - 38.2% (13-34) *19 Games

Bogi - 37.2% (165-443)

Trae - 37.1% (167-450) 

DJ - 36.4% (119-327)

 

30%-35.9%

JJ - 34.8% (48-138)

OO - 33.8% (22-65)

Bey - 31.6% (96-304)

 

29.9% and under

Kobe - 28.6% (2-7) *5 Games

Trent - 28.6% (2-7) *20 Games

AJ - 27.3% (9-33) *18 Games

Wes - 25.0% (9-36) *21 Games

 

 

Hunter has been our 3pt star

JJ has dropped a tier, he has really struggled the last 5 games  going  4/18, 22%.

Saddiq avoided dropping below  30% by hitting 10/31 over his last 5 games.

[JayBirdHawk]

On 2/17/2024 at 10:03 AM, JayBirdHawk said:

After 55 Games and at the Allstar Break:

36% and over

Garrison - 44.0% (40-91)

Hunter - 42.1%% (61-145)  *31 Games

Patty - 38.2% (13-34) *19 Games

Bogi - 37.2% (165-443)

Trae - 37.1% (167-450) 

DJ - 36.4% (119-327)

 

30%-35.9%

JJ - 34.8% (48-138)

OO - 33.8% (22-65)

Bey - 31.6% (96-304)

 

29.9% and under

Kobe - 28.6% (2-7) *5 Games

Trent - 28.6% (2-7) *20 Games

AJ - 27.3% (9-33) *18 Games

Wes - 25.0% (9-36) *21 Games

 

 

Hunter has been our 3pt star

JJ has dropped a tier, he has really struggled the last 5 games  going  4/18, 22%.

Saddiq avoided dropping below  30% by hitting 10/31 over his last 5 games.

With 19 games left:

36% and over

Garrison - 43.1% 

Hunter - 42.6

Bogi - 37.0% 

Trae - 37.1% 

DJ - 36.0%

 

30%-35.9%

JJ - 34.6% 

OO - 33.8%

Bey - 31.4%

 

29.9% and under

Kobe - 29.4%  *9 Games

Trent - 28.6%  *25 Games

AJ - 27.3%  *18 Games

Wes - 27.0% 

 

 

Hunter is still our 3pt star

Saddiq Still struggling.

[REHawksFan]

This came across my feed today. Not sure why.  It's a little old so I apologize if it's already been posted somewhere, but I hadn't seen it.  Good stuff, hypothetically.  LOL  It's 15 minutes but well worth the watch.  

 

[KB21]

I'd be curious to see what percentage of their shot attempts are three-point shots.

[REHawksFan]

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I'd be curious to see what percentage of their shot attempts are three-point shots.

36% and over

Garrison - 43.1%  /  FREQUENCY:  90.2%

Hunter - 42.6 / F: 44.1%

Bogi - 37.0%  / F: 59.5%

Trae - 37.1%  / F: 46.2%

DJ - 36.0% / F: 35.7%

 

30%-35.9%

JJ - 34.6%  / F: 27.7%

OO - 33.8% / F: 18.6%

Bey - 31.4% / F: 51.2%

 

29.9% and under

Kobe - 29.4%  *9 Games / F: 45.9%

Trent - 28.6%  *25 Games / F: 12.3%

AJ - 27.3%  *18 Games / F: 73.3%

Wes - 27.0% / F: 77.6%

[JayBirdHawk]

On 3/10/2024 at 10:15 AM, JayBirdHawk said:

With 19 games left:

36% and over

Garrison - 43.1% 

Hunter - 42.6

Bogi - 37.0% 

Trae - 37.1% 

DJ - 36.0%

 

30%-35.9%

JJ - 34.6% 

OO - 33.8%

Bey - 31.4%

 

29.9% and under

Kobe - 29.4%  *9 Games

Trent - 28.6%  *25 Games

AJ - 27.3%  *18 Games

Wes - 27.0% 

 

 

Hunter is still our 3pt star

Saddiq Still struggling.

70 Games completed:

36% and over

Garrison - 43.9% 

Hunter - 40.2%

Bogi - 37.4% 

Trae - 37.1% 

DJ - 36.8%

Wes - 36.4%  *30 Games

Vit - 36.0% *10 Games

 

30%-35.9%

JJ - 35.3% 

OO - 33.3%

Bey - 31.6%

 

29.9% and under

Kobe - 29.4%  *9 Games

Trent - 22.2%  *32 Games

AJ - 27.3%  *18 Games

 

[REHawksFan]

13 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

70 Games completed:

36% and over

Garrison - 43.9% 

Hunter - 40.2%

Bogi - 37.4% 

Trae - 37.1% 

DJ - 36.8%

Wes - 36.4%  *30 Games

Vit - 36.0% *10 Games

 

30%-35.9%

JJ - 35.3% 

OO - 33.3%

Bey - 31.6%

 

29.9% and under

Kobe - 29.4%  *9 Games

Trent - 22.2%  *32 Games

AJ - 27.3%  *18 Games

 

For the season, the Hawks rank:

• 6th in 3pt FGM at 13.7 per game; 
• 7th in 3pt FGA at 37.6 per game; 
• 17th in 3pt FG% at 36.3%

So they are volume 3pt team with avg efficiency.  The real issue is they combine that with:

• 28th in 3pt FGM Defense at 13.9 per game;
• 21st in 3pt FGA Defense at 35.8 per game;
• 28th in 3pt FG% Defense at 38.4% allowed

So they allow teams to be highly efficient in 3pt shooting.  No bueno.

 

Compared to years' past, they certainly take more and make more but their efficiency is only marginally better. While defensively, they allow far more makes and takes along with a higher efficiency (last year they ranked 8th in 3pt FGM defense, 16th in FGA defense, and 10th in opponent FG%). 

Conundrum indeed.  

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

75 Games completed:

36% and over

Vit - 46.8% *15 Games

Garrison - 44.9% 

Hunter - 39.7%

Bogi - 37.8% 

Trae - 37.1%  (51 games)

DJ - 36.6%

 

30%-35.9%

JJ - 35.4% 

Wes - 35.8%

OO - 33.3%

Bey - 31.6%

Kobe - 30% *10 Games

 

29.9% and under

Trent - 20.0 %  *36 Games

AJ - 27.3%  *18 Games

 

Vit has taken over the top spot.

Hunter has fallen a bit under 40%, his last game shooting 2-10 being the culprit. 

[macdaddy]

I'll admit to being critical of Garrison a lot but it's pretty obvious why he is playing.  Now that things have regressed to the mean it exposes that we are a very average 3 point shooting team. These are the top 4 who also happen to be 4 of the best teams in the league

Boston has 4 guys >40% and 6 guys shooting better than Bogi from 3.  

[REHawksFan]

2 hours ago, macdaddy said:

I'll admit to being critical of Garrison a lot but it's pretty obvious why he is playing.  Now that things have regressed to the mean it exposes that we are a very average 3 point shooting team. These are the top 4 who also happen to be 4 of the best teams in the league

Boston has 4 guys >40% and 6 guys shooting better than Bogi from 3.  

Very average indeed.  If we looked at only the Top 6 Hawks by %, they'd still not rank in the Top 4 at 38.35% (would rank just ahead of Phx for 5th).   

We have 3 plays over 40% and they've barely taken 200 shots between them. 

OKC has 8 players that have combined for nearly 1,000 attempts.

Bos has 4 players but they've combined for 1,400 attempts

LAC has 4 players for 1,300 attempts

Min has 4 players for 1,100 attempts