Quin and Landry have the green light from Tony to trade whoever, whenever

[NBASupes]

48 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I don't think that's really fair to say.  I do not want to trade Trae, but I can understand if someone feels that way -- particularly if they think we'll get a good haul for him and a replacement all-star level player that will fit better with our coach/roster.  If Trae was someone that has no real flaws in his game like PG13 or Lebron or Kawhi, I would agree with you, but it's easy to see how someone's perception of what makes a team great might not align perfectly with Trae's game, even if Trae is an elite offensive player.  

He is an elite offensive player. Sometimes I just watch Quin when Trae is on the ball and he looks amazed at times like damn. This kid is insane. You really gotta watch his offensive possessions, possession by possession to appreciate his game. That's why @TheNorthCydeRises loves the kid. 

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[akay]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

I don't think that's really fair to say.  I do not want to trade Trae, but I can understand if someone feels that way -- particularly if they think we'll get a good haul for him and a replacement all-star level player that will fit better with our coach/roster.  If Trae was someone that has no real flaws in his game like PG13 or Lebron or Kawhi, I would agree with you, but it's easy to see how someone's perception of what makes a team great might not align perfectly with Trae's game, even if Trae is an elite offensive player.  

People would rather have a replacement level allstar player instead of our HoF pg? Wild 

[JeffS17]

2 minutes ago, akay said:

People would rather have a replacement level allstar player instead of our HoF pg? Wild 

It's not that wild, even if you don't agree.  I think our best path forward is with Trae, but it's pretty narrow-minded to think he's the only path to a championship (if that's the measuring stick we're using).  I think it's a valid argument to make if someone truly believes we'd never be able to overcome his defensive deficiencies in the post season.  

[TheNorthCydeRises]

17 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He is an elite offensive player. Sometimes I just watch Quin when Trae is on the ball and he looks amazed at times like damn. This kid is insane. You really gotta watch his offensive possessions, possession by possession to appreciate his game. That's why @TheNorthCydeRises loves the kid. 

 

He makes the game extremely easy for some players.  You can really see it when guys are making their shots.  That's when those high assist totals show up. I definitely wished a guy like Joe Johnson and Josh Smith could've played with a PG like Trae.  We may have made a NBA Final, or at least a few Conference Finals.

[akay]

1 minute ago, JeffS17 said:

It's not that wild, even if you don't agree.  I think our best path forward is with Trae, but it's pretty narrow-minded to think he's the only path to a championship (if that's the measuring stick we're using).  I think it's a valid argument to make if someone truly believes we'd never be able to overcome his defensive deficiencies in the post season.  

What are people basing their beliefs on his defense then? We didn't get mauled last year in the playoffs because of his defensive abilities.

People can think whatever they want, but if Trae isn't good enough to win in Atlanta, what could a trade look like where we get something as good or better back? If we don't believe in Trae to lead us, we're definitely not getting any 1-2 players that will replace his production, so are we going back to the draft to find ourselves a franchise star?

Feels shortsighted to think that the tip our spear isn't sharp enough, vs the rest of the team not stepping up and playing their roles as they should be.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

4 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

It's not that wild, even if you don't agree.  I think our best path forward is with Trae, but it's pretty narrow-minded to think he's the only path to a championship (if that's the measuring stick we're using).  I think it's a valid argument to make if someone truly believes we'd never be able to overcome his defensive deficiencies in the post season.  

 

You don't win championships without Hall of Fame level talent.  The closest thing to a team winning with good, but not high level talent, were the Detroit Pistons in 2004.  But they were one of the best defensive teams of all time, with Ben Wallace making the Hall of Fame.

Trae isn't the only path to a championship.  But even he needs All-star and possibly another Hall of Fame talent around him that compliments his game.

Maybe that's the mistake Dallas made.  Instead of a Hall of Fame caliber big man, they got a Hall of Fame caliber guard.  With Trae, we either need a #1 scoring option SF, or an elite big man.

[JeffS17]

I'm not here to argue a case for trading Trae, so it seems like both of you are arguing against a point I was not making.  My point, rather, was about open-mindedness and a respect for others' opinions.

[NBASupes]

9 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

He makes the game extremely easy for some players.  You can really see it when guys are making their shots.  That's when those high assist totals show up. I definitely wished a guy like Joe Johnson and Josh Smith could've played with a PG like Trae.  We may have made a NBA Final, or at least a few Conference Finals.

Trae would have got Smoove traded in less than a year but it would have been nice if Al, Joe, or even Marvin played with Trae. Marvin might have unlocked another level with Trae as a 4. I would like to see how Chillz would look with Trae too. 

[warcore]

33 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

I definitely wished a guy like Joe Johnson and Josh Smith could've played with a PG like Trae.

I also wish we took CP3 on that dreaded draft night. 

Even d*ck Vitale said at the beginning of the telecast that he would have been our best pick based on our roster. 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, akay said:

Feels shortsighted to think that the tip our spear isn't sharp enough, vs the rest of the team not stepping up and playing their roles as they should be.

Trae has his flaws and we know what he's really good at. As I was driving home, I was wondering what some of 'the others' are really good at and is it something we can depend on night in night out.

What is Hunter, JC and CC really really good at?

Bogi is a flame thrower from 3 and more often than not, he's dependable at that one thing.

What is DJ, Hunter, JC and CC really good at that's on display game to game. Do we ever go into a game saying we know that regardless of everything else, we'll get 'this one thing' from any of those players?

[JayBirdHawk]

3 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

If Trae was someone that has no real flaws in his game like PG13 or Lebron or Kawhi,

One of these things is not like the others.....

As flawless as you think LeBron is, he still needed Wade and Bosh to win His first title in his 9th season. Kawhi also had stacked teams.

 

[NBASupes]

10 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Trae has his flaws and we know what he's really good at. As I was driving home, I was wondering what some of 'the others' are really good at and is it something we can depend on night in night out.

What is Hunter, JC and CC really really good at?

Bogi is a flame thrower from 3 and more often than not, he's dependable at that one thing.

What is DJ, Hunter, JC and CC really good at that's on display game to game. Do we ever go into a game saying we know that regardless of everything else, we'll get 'this one thing' from any of those players?

Hunter - defensive versatility, he's a big wing, he's capable offensively from all 3 levels for a big wing.

JC- elite movement specialist, PnR specialist, very good rebounder 

Capela - PnR finishing, screens, rim and paint protection, blocking shots, and rebounding. 

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[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

With Trae, we either need a #1 scoring option SF, or an elite big man.

Trae needs an equal or close to equal. When we drafted Huerter, Hunter, Reddish, I said we'd need one of them to take a step forward for the team to get next level. Yet only Hunter remains and he's not good enough as a ball handler and/or playmaker to take over and elevate the rest of his teammates.

[NBASupes]

What's a #1 option with gonna do. He would need more perimeter touches than Murray. That said, I wouldn't decline it, especially Jaylen Brown 

[JTB]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

What's a #1 option with gonna do. He would need more perimeter touches than Murray. That said, I wouldn't decline it, especially Jaylen Brown 

I’m glad there’s a chance to get Jaylen. He don’t seem impressed at all in Boston even when they are winning so I hope it stays that way until he’s a unrestricted free agent.

oddly I really like our chances for Jaylen. He seem like the type who want to come home.

[JayBirdHawk]

26 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Hunter - defensive versatility, he's a big wing, he's capable offensively from all 3 levels for a big wing.

JC- elite movement specialist, PnR specialist, very good rebounder 

Capela - PnR finishing, screens, rim and paint protection, blocking shots, and rebounding. 

I asked for the one best thing that they are good at that's dependable from game to game or even simething you can expect more often that not. I gave the Bogi example.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Trae needs an equal or close to equal. When we drafted Huerter, Hunter, Reddish, I said we'd need one of them to take a step forward for the team to get next level. Yet only Hunter remains and he's not good enough as a ball handler and/or playmaker to take over and elevate the rest of his teammates.

I don't know enough about skill development at the pro level to know whether or not a fourth-year player can truly improve a deficiency, such as ball handling, to an elevated level such as we would need from Hunter.  Is this something than a fully concentrated off-season (or two) can accomplish, with excellent personal coaching?  Or, after playing ball for probably 20 years, is Hunter only going to get marginally better at it?

[JayBirdHawk]

11 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

I don't know enough about skill development at the pro level to know whether or not a fourth-year player can truly improve a deficiency, such as ball handling, to an elevated level such as we would need from Hunter.  Is this something than a fully concentrated off-season (or two) can accomplish, with excellent personal coaching?  Or, after playing ball for probably 20 years, is Hunter only going to get marginally better at it?

His lack of ball handling maybe due to his time missed with injury, not only the knee but also the wrist surgery twice (1 in college and 1 in NBA) which may have slowed his development in this area.

Part of Hunter's ballhandling issue is his inability to make quick decisions with the ball and his lack of awareness in regards to defensive spacing. Seems like most times he's already made up his mind what he's going to do with ball, doesn't have the ability to adjust on the fly.

We saw videos of him from last season working on his ball handling, but doing that in an empty gym is like Shaq shooting freethrows in practice but missing 60% in real live action.

Someone with more developmental knowledge will have to weigh in on how much he can further improve.

[terrell]

4 hours ago, Sothron said:

It is true in the sense that my Hawks sources told me after the Quin hiring that if Quin and Trae can't work then Trae would be traded. So, yes, that was the first time I had ever had a creditable source(s) telling me that there was a scenario in which Trae could be traded.

With the regular season over, Quin likes several Hawks. Specifically Trae, DJM, Bogi and OO so they would be in theory the least likely to be dealt. I think it is likely that JC and Capela are moved in the offseason. Quin has complained that having two out of three starting frontcourt players that can't shoot is killing spacing on offense.

I do not think Trae, DJM, Bogi and OO are going anywhere. Anyone else on the roster is fair game with the least likely of those players being moved are the Duke duo. 

JJ isnt going anywhere either imo.. Quin gushes when talking about him....

[deester11]

12 minutes ago, terrell said:

JJ isnt going anywhere either imo.. Quin gushes when talking about him....

As he should.  He and AJ should grow exponentially with Quinn.