Hawks looking to trade

[NBASupes]

6 minutes ago, JTB said:

Sure I don’t disagree with that but the value in return is the problem.

I just don’t see us pulling off a star for a star trade IF we had to do it.

We are in a bad situation to some degree. It may be worth just trying to make the team better and pulling off some obvious trades.

For example…I saw where you said a very obvious trade for the hawks right now would be Capela for Vucevic…I 100% agree. The defense ain’t there so mind as well go for the most explosive offense you can.

 

I do wonder what Trae & Murray is wanting out of this ???….are these two requesting that we get Siakam by any means possible ???

Yep but Chicago has to be interested in that trade too. 

Siakam don't even want to be here. He's made that clear that he would come if traded but he wants to be a FA and play for a contender. 

We didn't pull the trigger in the preseason because it was way too high risk, it's even more high risk now. Trae even tried to recruit Siakam but he wasn't really responsive as Murray was. Siakam is eyeing Philadelphia. Unless we got a contender in Atlanta. He's a rental for any and everyone. OG is the one that's more open to Atlanta but we can't meet Toronto asking price. We don't have the assets they coveted. They want a young stud for him. 

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Devin Booker had 5 straight losing seasons to start his career, then got paired with CP3 (not to mention rising players Mikal Bridges and Ayton) and all of a sudden he is a winning player that carried a team?

Now he has KD, Beal, and Nurkic at 14-15 and we want to pretend he could take whatever is left of this roster after a trade and do better than Trae?

News flash, fluke or not, Trae has taken his team to a conference finals and he has NEVER ran alongside a CP3, Bridges, Ayton, KD, Beal, Nurkic.

Capela, Gallo, Collins, Bogi, DJM is the best talent Trae has played with.

Oh, let’s not forget, Monty Freaking Williams and Frank Vogal as HC. Quinn may be on the same level as those guys, but before Quinn, not even close.

CP3 wasn't even had for much. He was basically had for pennies. 

https://www.nba.com/news/reports-thunder-agree-to-trade-chris-paul-to-suns

That's was Book's team. 

You trying to down Book. Shameful. Ya'll Trae stans gotta stop doing this. It aint smart. 

[theheroatl]

Anyone suggesting Trae be traded is basically not understanding dynamics of basketball and has no clue how to construct a winning team.

 

You need scoring and defense. Why subtract scoring when you can add defense instead.

 

[RedDawg#8]

Basketball is simple, man. 
For the love of God just give Trae a strong low post presence to generate easy offense.

We went to the ECF with Gallo as our best post scorer. He was savvy and efficient, and could stretch the floor.

JC was not as savvy or great of a shooter but offered you SOME of that same inside out game.

Our cupboard is BARE of inside scoring. We have too many 6-5/6-6 guys that can’t shoot consistently or get offensive rebounds.

Our centers have to be spoon fed the ball at the rim and even then it’s a coin flip if they can finish.

I understand our offense is humming so people are not going to agree, but late games, close games, got to have it possessions, we cannot rely on magic from Trae to get a whistle or hit contested outside shots. We need a throw it in option that can get it consistently.

Chase skill, not names. Again, Gallo was an underrated asset to this lineup.  It doesn’t always have to be Max players unless they are truly a fit.

[givemesome1ce1]

We got people who to trade Trae when it’s so obvious that our “second option” Dejounte Murray doesn’t want to be here, hates his role in Quin’s system, and wants to play his own way. Trade DJ, get some role players THAT PLAY DEFENSE and consolidate Hunter and Capela later. There is no reason to trade one of the best hawks of all time right now UNTIL HE ASKS OUT. It’s stupid, ownership doesn’t want to trade Trae, no reason to even make these trades. 

[JayBirdHawk]

11 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

CP3 wasn't even had for much. He was basically had for pennies. 

https://www.nba.com/news/reports-thunder-agree-to-trade-chris-paul-to-suns

That's was Book's team. 

You trying to down Book. Shameful. Ya'll Trae stans gotta stop doing this. It aint smart. 

I think the point he's trying to make was Booker was considered a stats guy that couldn't take his team to the playoffs until he got better players around him like CP3 and Jae Crowder. Those are the FACTS!

Meanwhile Trae was in the playoffs in his 3rd year.

[NBASupes]

Just now, RedDawg#8 said:

Basketball is simple, man. 
For the love of God just give Trae a strong low post presence to generate easy offense.

We went to the ECF with Gallo as our best post scorer. He was savvy and efficient, and could stretch the floor.

JC was not as savvy or great of a shooter but offered you SOME of that same inside out game.

Our cupboard is BARE of inside scoring. We have too many 6-5/6-6 guys that can’t shoot consistently or get offensive rebounds.

Our centers have to be spoon fed the ball at the rim and even then it’s a coin flip if they can finish.

I understand our offense is humming so people are not going to agree, but late games, close games, got to have it possessions, we cannot rely on magic from Trae to get a whistle or hit contested outside shots. We need a throw it in option that can get it consistently.

Chase skill, not names. Again, Gallo was an underrated asset to this lineup.  It doesn’t always have to be Max players unless they are truly a fit.

That team had a lot of depth and guys in their prime. We had no big contracts that year. Trae was on his rookie deal. We played in a weaker NBA most of our opponents lacked depth. We had injuries and could easily overcome. They had injuries and couldn't till we played Milwaukee. 

Some of ya'll don't realize we just aren't at that stage anymore. Trae makes 40 mil. Not 6 mil anymore. No one had big contracts that year. Even guys like Gallo was paid slightly higher than market rate wasn't bad at all for their level that year. 

Ya'll don't realize that and keep running to that. It's never gonna be like that again. We just don't have the budget. Dre makes 20 mil. OO 18 next year. Trae 40. At that time, those guys was making like 6, 6, 5 million. That's the cost of one OO right now. Salaries matter. We had a lot of advantages at that time due to mainly have a ton of productive rookie contracts guys around quality vets who wasn't quite washed yet. It was the perfect storm. You chasing a dream that's no longer possible. On top of that, teams are better now than they were then. 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I think the point he's trying to make was Booker was considered a stats guy that couldn't take his team to the playoffs until he got better players around him like CP3 and Jae Crowder. Those are the FACTS!

Meanwhile Trae was in the playoffs in his 3rd year.

Phoenix wasn't even trying to win. They didn't do the stupid shit we did and try to end their tank early. They kept it alive for 5 years like OKC. 

 

The reason why are asset f***ed is because we tried to win way too soon. 

Edited December 26, 2023 by NBASupes

[Sothron]

2 hours ago, ShooterSays said:

Y’all know darn well they aren’t trading the one who puts butts in seats and sells season tickets. But go on.

is literally on a tear averaging damn near 30/10 and he’s who we’re arguing about trading. SMH…we can’t ever have anything nice. 

This is pure speculation. Don't sweat it. It would literally take Trae or Klutch acting on his orders to request a trade to get the Hawks to move Trae.

[RedDawg#8]

15 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

CP3 wasn't even had for much. He was basically had for pennies. 

https://www.nba.com/news/reports-thunder-agree-to-trade-chris-paul-to-suns

That's was Book's team. 

You trying to down Book. Shameful. Ya'll Trae stans gotta stop doing this. It aint smart. 

It’s not even much of debate. The cost of the trade is irrelevant.

The same roster jumped up 17 wins and the only difference was CP3. Bookers stats went down from the pre CP3 season, but the team won more games.

The goalpost is NOT that Booker was the best player. You said he CARRIED that team, and that is not true. CP3 was the leader in the locker room that the Suns had been missing for 5 years under Booker and are currently missing now. 

All evidence suggests that Booker, like Trae, can put up numbers, but lacks something intangible that helps his team win consistently. The Suns have  (3) all NBA players and are the worse they have been since going to the finals. Is Booker better than Trae, sure, that’s not the point. Can Booker carry this exact same roster to higher heights? There is nothing to suggest he can other than it lets Murray play PG again. But if he cannot win with KD, Beal and Nurk, news flash buddy, he ain’t doing jack with this lineup.

[NBASupes]

PHX had a 5 year tank. In that, they missed a lot and won some

Bender over Jamal Murray

Ayton over Luka

Jabari Smith over Hali

They missed on a lot

They hit too

Booker

Mikal

Johnson from UNC 

 

Hawks hit on Trae

Huerter 

That's why we are stuck. 

We should have did a full 5 year rebuild but our PG refused and wanted to win asap and we were so happy to finally be selling tickets, we obliged without any thought that this can f*** up.

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

It’s not even much of debate. The cost of the trade is irrelevant.

The same roster jumped up 17 wins and the only difference was CP3. Bookers stats went down from the pre CP3 season, but the team won more games.

The goalpost is NOT that Booker was the best player. You said he CARRIED that team, and that is not true. CP3 was the leader in the locker room that the Suns had been missing for 5 years under Booker and are currently missing now. 

All evidence suggests that Booker, like Trae, can put up numbers, but lacks something intangible that helps his team win consistently. The Suns have  (3) all NBA players and are the worse they have been since going to the finals. Is Booker better than Trae, sure, that’s not the point. Can Booker carry this exact same roster to higher heights? There is nothing to suggest he can other than it lets Murray play PG again. But if he cannot win with KD, Beal and Nurk, news flash buddy, he ain’t doing jack with this lineup.

It does matter, that wasn't a trade that was done that was, damn, PHX going to the finals and gonna be one of the best teams in the NBA now type of move. They made that jump as Book made that jump. 

[Hawkmoor]

Rebuilding since 1968...

Edited December 26, 2023 by Hawkmoor

[NBASupes]

5 minutes ago, Sothron said:

This is pure speculation. Don't sweat it. It would literally take Trae or Klutch acting on his orders to request a trade to get the Hawks to move Trae.

Every offseason since Trae 2nd year... he's bitched and made it clear he wasn't happy with our direction. So he's just gonna change and act like he's Dame Lillard all of a sudden. Man, get ready to cry and bitch about how you hate the NBA and that Klutch ruined it and all I am gonna say is, you should have saw this shit coming a mile away. 

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, Hawkmoor said:

Rebuilding since 1968...

We get to happy making money in Atlanta and lose our damn senses. 

[JayBirdHawk]

13 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Phoenix wasn't even trying to win. They didn't do the stupid shit we did and try to end their tank early. They kept it alive for 5 years like OKC. 

Booker's perception was still as it was. 

[NBASupes]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

Booker's perception was still as it was. 

I don't care what Booker perception is to you. PHX didn't try to end the tank early. They kept trying to land stars in the draft. 

[hylndr11]

2 hours ago, JustSomeGuy said:

The problem with hero ball and superstar roster acquisitions is how it deprives you of depth. A la Phoenix now. 

I’ll say it again, SCORING IS NOT OUR ISSUE. Trae raises the offensive floor of any team and we are already top 3 offense and doing it without a dearth of shooters on the wing. Any trade that does not increase our interior defense or length and shooting on the wings does not make us better and there are trades out there to be had to increase both of those things without giving up any one of our core players to do it. 

I dont think there are is the problem, I think most agree what we need, its just going to be much harder to get so we start talking about tear it down scenarious, we will see, trade deadline is coming, but we need to stop with the oh just do this why didnt we do this thinking, we would do it if it was that simple.  Its like saying, oh just trade up to get a better qb this year for falcons, no bid deal. 

[terrell]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Every offseason since Trae 2nd year... he's bitched and made it clear he wasn't happy with our direction. So he's just gonna change and act like he's Dame Lillard all of a sudden. Man, get ready to cry and bitch about how you hate the NBA and that Klutch ruined it and all I am gonna say is, you should have saw this shit coming a mile away. 

Is this why Travis thought about moving him? Or was it another reason?

Our fans claim to love Schlenk, but even he considered moving Trae, and thought the Murray trade was the wrong move...

 

 

 

[RedDawg#8]

8 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It does matter, that wasn't a trade that was done that was, damn, PHX going to the finals and gonna be one of the best teams in the NBA now type of move. They made that jump as Book made that jump. 

We made a jump that same season, led by a guy in his 3rd year (compared to Booker’s 6th) How has PHX looked since then?

47-35 last year, hovering around .500 this year. They screwed up their own “rebuild” by emptying the cupboard to acquire KD and now Beal.