Which player is often used as the scapegoat?

[Marvin24Williams]

Just wanted to get your opinions. I personally think Marvin (even if he is having a good game)

[Bawse]

Joe, he's the max player and our "superstar". Smoove a lot as well. We all know what Marvin is now, it's no secret. We can't blame our losses on him.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Boss

[AHawks89]

Smoove & Marvin. I think most of the blame needs to be focused on LD & Crawford. Jamal playing the whole 4th quarter? No thanks!

[niremetal]

Everyone has their own personal whipping boy. JJ, Josh, and Marvin catch the most flak whether deserved or not, though not necessarily in that order. Jamal and (formerly) Bibby lag a bit behind.

It's much easier to gauge who gets the least flak: Al. He's my favorite player on the team, but yeah...he's rarely scapegoated. Although he'll move up the list quickly if he doesn't toughen back up in a hurry.

[BrazilianHawk]

I think Marvin is the most hated after a loss, but I believe ones to blame are Jamal, Smoove and especially Larry Drew most of the time.

Marvin barely touches the ball when he's on the court.

[RedDawg#8]

yeah, Marvin doesnt lose games for us. He doesn't shoot us out of games like JJ or Smoove. He also rarely makes a difference in our wins, he is consistenly nonimpacful to wins or losses

[APE]

Joe, Josh, Mary Drew, Woody, ASG, and Billy Knightmare

[MaceCase]

Marvin. I can't tell you how many times I've read "this would of been the perfect time for Marvin to score 20" or "step up" when every other starter had a bad game. It's as absurd as blaming Zaza for a loss or expecting him to have picked up 20 and 10 from the bench but it never fails. It's kind of funny too because whenever Marvin comes even close to 20 its usually a loss or a very close win essentially saying that no one else showed up.

Josh gets it for poor play but it evens out when he get's praised for great games. JJ is pointed out almost every night and pretty much gets a meh if he has a good night because "that's what he's paid to do". Al rarely if ever gets it but if he has a great game it's a ticker tape parade. Marvin on the other hand gets it for being Marvin, only a terrible game by another player let's him slide by but some poster is always quick to bring him up and then all of his great games go by the wayside because it was either a loss or some other hawk hit the game winner.

[WraithSentinel]

I usually go after JJ or Smoove. Although here of late Horf isn't exactly immune to it with his recent play. I try my best just not say anything because I will sound like a broken record. Sometimes it can't be help.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Paladin

[Supporter]

In the chat rooms my victims are usually Josh, Zaza, and Marvin (comic relief) in that order.

[EazyRoc]

Joe and a lot of the time he deserves it.

[LastDon]

Jamal Crawford should be the scapegoat! He took a lot of pressure off Joe Last year..this year he hasn't brung it....This team lacks a number 2 perimeter Scorer..we need someone that can penetrate and shoot... JR Smith Monta Ellis type guy..

[Deeman]

The majority of the time I blame Joe, Marvin, and Smoove in that order. :takeexample:

[Bluehawk]

Current status of Scapegoat list:

Permanent residence at the top of it go to: ASG, LD (it starts at the top baby!)

Rising on the list are: Smoove, Jamal, Joe and (gasp!) Al

Still on it but no significant movement up or down: Marvin

Going down on the list (a.k.a., getting off the dart board): Wilkins, Teague

[tbhawksfan]

Whoever sucked the worst on that given day...along with those that suck everyday.

I'd rather have a decent team that loses busting their balls than a better team that gets called out for playing like 10 million $ wusses.

[benhillboy]

ASG and Sund all the way. I'm running our of adjectives to describe Joe's contract that is in excess of about 60 million if it fully matures. I dream of the day that he's gone altogether, but if he were being paid what he deserved here we could've easily added a borderline All-Star type at either position we are desperate to fill. I knew the ASG is a bunch of fools, but I didn't have Sund as such a dimwit to make that move. I've known for years what Joe was made of, which is very little to nothing. Cant blame him at all. Now our other shooting guard with heart, I don't blame, but am very surprised that he can't finish halves, lead us to victories, and at least play average defense like he did last year. I love Al, but think he's smelling himself a little too much and needs a great offseason to develop his post play and strengthen his leadership skills a little more because there is such a void there. How could I blame Marvin. Josh is just a wierdo who helps us win exactly as many games as the losses he spearheads. I'm totally indifferent towards the guy, so I'm never on the "Trade Josh" nor "Stop Blaming Josh" threads. And Coach? Come on. We see he's best suited to be a friend to the players in a low assistant role and keep quiet like Woody made him.

[Buzzard]

JJ, Smoove, Marvin are pretty much tied IMO as far as bashing for losses go. Then its our Coach at the time, Crawford, and Horford. Notice there is no PG here, that is because we do not have one. This team is never going to be successful until we get one. We are to much a mix of SG/SF/ and PFs and not enough PGs and Cs. Teams can win big with a small lineup but not without a having a premium PG to run the show.

It is not the players fault when we lose, fact is our team is not good enough at all five positions to contend. We are not built like the Lakers with Gasol and Bynum more like the old Pistons minus Chauncey and the Celtics now that they traded away Perk.

And even the old Pistons teams would have a hard time of it with more traditional teams like the Lakers, Spurs, and Magic. But I bet you they would not be swept two seasons in a row no matter what round they were playing in and they would have a chance. Whereas we do not without a Billups manning the point.

We need to get a better more traditional high quality starting center and/or a all-star caliber PG. Until that happens we should be blaming our ownership group and management first and foremost for every loss.

Side note concerning our swap of Bibby, Jordan, and a 1st for Hinrich. Jordan Crawford last three games: 134min, 73pts, 9rbs, 10 ast, 3stls vs 7to Looks like he is at least a Marcus Thorton type scorer and God forbid he turns out to be Jason Terry type sixth man.

Edited March 21, 2011 by Buzzard