2013 Summer Dynasty Draft

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

23 days.

On Chinky_eyed_hawk's page it says that his last login date was July 29th, which is almost a month ago... I hope his alright and nothing bad happened. It is kinda weird that he kept up with this thread until the very last pick... :(

[ATLHawks3]

On Chinky_eyed_hawk's page it says that his last login date was July 29th, which is almost a month ago... I hope his alright and nothing bad happened. It is kinda weird that he kept up with this thread until the very last pick... :(

Hope he hasn't jumped teams or even lost his password.. :/

[AHF]

I still think that Turner and Young will have break out seasons for me. Last year was Evan Turner's first full season starting and he ended up with averages of 13.3 ppg 6.3 rpg and 4.3 apg. I look for him to expand on those numbers as both a scorer and a facilitator on offense (Hopefully he can be my Iggy). With Thad, I agree he isn't a true SF, but at the time I drafted him he was the best available, but I still think that the both of them will have All-Star type numbers, with Turner having the better numbers. With Manu, I loved what he could do passing the ball, and taking over the game with his scoring instincts, but if he is showing signs of slowing down, J.R. Smith is that dude.

We mostly value Turner differently. I see Turner as a Josh Childress type of player (OK stats when being featured by the team that drafted him but won't amount to anything largely because of his broken jump shot and at some point will take a greatly reduced role). This is his season for sure, though, since Philly will have no choice but to feature him very prominently in the backcourt. Thad won't improve much in terms of skills but he will also be featured more and his numbers should be at their career peak. I have confidence that he will produce regardless of circumstances, but for fantasy numbers this should be a great season for Young.

[ATLHawks3]

We mostly value Turner differently. I see Turner as a Josh Childress type of player (OK stats when being featured by the team that drafted him but won't amount to anything largely because of his broken jump shot and at some point will take a greatly reduced role). This is his season for sure, though, since Philly will have no choice but to feature him very prominently in the backcourt. Thad won't improve much in terms of skills but he will also be featured more and his numbers should be at their career peak. I have confidence that he will produce regardless of circumstances, but for fantasy numbers this should be a great season for Young.

And this is the joy of Fantasy Basketball, you never know who on your team can have a breakout year.

[AHF]

And this is the joy of Fantasy Basketball, you never know who on your team can have a breakout year.

Fantasy and real basketball!

[Buzzard]

ATLANTA ATTACK

General Manager: ATLHawks3

Head Coach: Frank Vogel

Point Guards: Russell Westbrook, Nate Robinson, Jose Juan Barea

Shooting Guards: Manu Ginobili, J.R. Smith, Shane Battier

Small Forwards: Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, Shawn Marion

Power Forwards: Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol

Center: David Lee, Chris Andersen

Strengths: Inside Scoring, Defense, Rebounding, Ball Movement, Surplus of Natural Scorers, Depth, Veteran Leadership, Championship experience.

Weaknesses: 3 point shooting, Selfishness (At times), Consistency

My team is stacked top to bottom. My team features 2 superstars followed by a great supporting cast, all could be starters on other Hawksquawk teams. We are probably going to face trouble against zone defense, due to only having one 3 point specialists. We may have trouble with consistency as well, because some of the players on my team tend to disappear at times. But all in all, this team can stand toe to toe with any other team, and you could be looking at the 2013 Hawksquawk Dynasty champion.

From a win/shares standpoint you have a good to great team for one or two years. Duncan and Gasol could very well both be gone or in very reduced roles at the least three years from now. Marion and Manu the same. I think due to the title being "dynasty" you need some youth.

Usually when dynasty is mentioned its a good five year run; four or five conference finals and two or three championships sprinkled in. I just don't see Duncan, Gasol, Manu, Marion, Battier, Anderson being productive or around that long....leaving you with Westbrook, J.R. Turner and Thad as your cornerstones three to four years from now.

Edited September 6, 2013 by Buzzard

[ATLHawks3]

From a win/shares standpoint you have a good to great team for one or two years. Duncan and Gasol could very well both be gone or in very reduced roles at the least three years from now. Marion and Manu the same. I think due to the title being "dynasty" you need some youth.

Usually when dynasty is mentioned its a good five year run; four or five conference finals and two or three championships sprinkled in. I just don't see Duncan, Gasol, Manu, Marion, Battier, Anderson being productive or around that long....leaving you with Westbrook, J.R. Turner and Thad as your cornerstones three to four years from now.

I agree with your statement, but sometimes, it is good to have a veteran team, with mostly a great winning background. I think that both my young players, and older vets compliment each other which balances out and makes my team solid. No disrespect to your team at all, but my team can stand toe-toe with yours and outplay you (feel free to disagree, I love competition).

[Buzzard]

I agree with your statement, but sometimes, it is good to have a veteran team, with mostly a great winning background. I think that both my young players, and older vets compliment each other which balances out and makes my team solid. No disrespect to your team at all, but my team can stand toe-toe with yours and outplay you (feel free to disagree, I love competition).

I look at your team and think Boston and what they did over the last four/five years before their dismantling. Whereas they had KG, Pierce, Allen as their primary core; you have Duncan, Gasol, Manu Your starting PG Westbrook is in his prime as is Rondo. You are better at the 5th starter spot than they were; but with only 20 teams drafting you should be.

I agree for a one or two year run, your team looks great. But mine is built for the long haul. Looking at my team, I almost had the perfect storm of a draft. If I have misses they are minimal and the only starter I really see is taking Gasol over Howard. And that was a preference for Gasol's FT shooting over D12, and D12's back concerns. From a reserve standpoint, I may have missed taking Ridnour over Jameer. But again you have a injury concern with Jameer.

I am pretty sure taking Parsons in the 2nd round and Tyreke in the 4th blew a lot of draft boards up and I am glad I took them when I did. SG and SF are the two weakest positions in the NBA. My team is rock solid and set for many years to come at those two spots. Barring injuries, I think I have one of the top 6 teams. Not just for the next two seasons but for the next five or six. Which is the goal in a keeper/dynasty league.

[ATLHawks3]

I look at your team and think Boston and what they did over the last four/five years before their dismantling. Whereas they had KG, Pierce, Allen as their primary core; you have Duncan, Gasol, Manu Your starting PG Westbrook is in his prime as is Rondo. You are better at the 5th starter spot than they were; but with only 20 teams drafting you should be.

I agree for a one or two year run, your team looks great. But mine is built for the long haul. Looking at my team, I almost had the perfect storm of a draft. If I have misses they are minimal and the only starter I really see is taking Gasol over Howard. And that was a preference for Gasol's FT shooting over D12, and D12's back concerns. From a reserve standpoint, I may have missed taking Ridnour over Jameer. But again you have a injury concern with Jameer.

I am pretty sure taking Parsons in the 2nd round and Tyreke in the 4th blew a lot of draft boards up and I am glad I took them when I did. SG and SF are the two weakest positions in the NBA. My team is rock solid and set for many years to come at those two spots. Barring injuries, I think I have one of the top 6 teams. Not just for the next two seasons but for the next five or six. Which is the goal in a keeper/dynasty league.

I can agree that your team is solid and uberly talented. But, at the same time, your team is kind of inexperienced and none of your players have championship experience; players who know what it takes to get the gold . In my team, I have that veteran experience (with rings), and I have up and coming and promising players in Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, J.R Smith, and the explosive Russell Westbrook. My whole team balances out, from a rebounding standpoint, from defense, to efficiency on offense. I have 3 explosive scorers, and one of the greatest players to play his position in Tim Duncan. Again, don't get me wrong, I love the team you built, but I feel that in order for a team to be great, you must first select those promising/high potential players and to surround them with Hall of Fame veterans. At worst, I feel my team is '07-'13 Boston Celtics and at best, the '99-'10 Lakers.

[AHF]

I agree there is some real value to having veterans who have been there before and know what it takes for the *team* to win. In that sense, a Tim Duncan who can still contribute on the floor and can be like another coach around the team is very valuable. Not all vets fit that profile but someone like Duncan brings a lot of value in addition to what he does during his minutes. We just have to debate whether JR Smith, Evan Turner, etc. are guys who are real high potentials for the future. Westbrook is a no-brainer stud who would benefit tremendously from that mentoring and Young seems like he will be a valuable role player for the long-term.

[Buzzard]

I can agree that your team is solid and uberly talented. But, at the same time, your team is kind of inexperienced and none of your players have championship experience; players who know what it takes to get the gold . In my team, I have that veteran experience (with rings), and I have up and coming and promising players in Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, J.R Smith, and the explosive Russell Westbrook. My whole team balances out, from a rebounding standpoint, from defense, to efficiency on offense. I have 3 explosive scorers, and one of the greatest players to play his position in Tim Duncan. Again, don't get me wrong, I love the team you built, but I feel that in order for a team to be great, you must first select those promising/high potential players and to surround them with Hall of Fame veterans. At worst, I feel my team is '07-'13 Boston Celtics and at best, the '99-'10 Lakers.

You are right in that none of my players have won the championship; but Nash, Conley, and Gasol have been playoff regulars and they have gone deep. I think everyone on my team will respect Steve Nash's experience and HOF ability. Most of my vets have at least been in the playoffs and my only ego problem is Tyreke; even he will have the utmost respect for Nash.

Like I said your team is solid, and the only question marks I see is with your youth. I just traded for Turner in one of my keeper leagues. If he can't get it done this year, its probably not going to happen. I hope he does!

Edited October 1, 2013 by Buzzard

[MaceCase]

Oh, hey! I have work to do so I'm going to procrastinate on that by working on something else I've been procrastinating on.

Now that media day has come and gone giving me a chance to get a good look at my team (who got fat, who got in shape, who made some poor hairstyle and tattoo decisions) and training camps have opened up allowing me to get a sense for how and where everyone will perform, I shall write my team synopsis.

MODUS CASERANDI (formerly FIGHTIN’ MACERINO CHERRIES) (formerly MACE TO THE FACES) (formerly MAGNA CASES) (formerly THE POPPIES) (formerly MACEATION WITHOUT CASELATION) (formerly EMACEPATION PROCASELAMATIONS) (formerly CRAIG MACK CASES) (formerly REAL MACECASE B.C.) (formerly MACECASE OF THE EX)(formerly COLIN OSCOPIES)

Strengths:

[*]Youth, lots of it. Average age of 26 but that's with the ancient 37 year old Andre Miller bumping up the average. Sport 9 players 25 and under, only 3 players already in their prime. [*]Athleticism, lots of it. With the exception of the Millers, Korver and Sullinger you can expect to be in the Encyclopedia Britannica of posters with this group. [*]Versatility, lots of it. All players can flex at 2 different positions allowing a multitude of lineups. Outside shooters (3 members shoot 40% or better), post scorers, dribble-penetrators, shot-blocking, rebounding, perimeter defense, etc. [*]Transition offense. Between Wall, Blatche (yes, Blatche) and Shump poking at the dribble and preying on passing lanes, Sanders erasing everything at the rim and grabbing whatever's left, an opponent is only seconds away from having a devastating fast break unleashed on them.

Weaknesses:

[*]Size in the middle. Although long and/or athletic, my big men may be overwhelmed by frontcourts sporting greater girth. [*]Veteran leadership/experience. Andre Miller may be the elder statesman but he's been a cranky hermit since the age of of 20. Korver and Miller have been specialists most of their career and then Blatche is not exactly a pillar of maturity despite his 8 years in the league. Besides Wall and my rookies, all players have tasted (or seen from the bench, Sully) the playoffs though. [*]Devastating go to scorers. Blake Griffin is my most accomplished scorer but as games get late into the 4th quarter it becomes harder to rely on bigmen scoring especially when they are such a weak FT shooter. Gallo is proven to be clutch and Wall is improving but there is a lack of a consistent 20ppg scorer on the team although I attempted to address that with the potential of Muhammed.

Coach Bud is a question mark too, can he transfer his years of experience as an assistant to being a head man? Can he command the respect of these young men besides partying with Blatche? Beyond that I expect him to implement an up-tempo offense that features plenty of ball movement and a pressure defense that takes full advantage of the team's young legs and athleticism. It's also a very cost effective roster as only Griffin and Gallo are making 8 figures with the rest on either vet mins, MLEs, or rookie deals. Even with Wall and Sanders set to receive huge pay raises when their extensions kick in I can still eek a payroll that avoids the tax.

[Admin]

Anyone interested in trading for that stud kid from Kentucky that I drafted Noel? AHF??

[ATLHawks3]

Anyone interested in trading for that stud kid from Kentucky that I drafted Noel? AHF??

I'd trade you J.J. Barea and Manu Ginobili for Nerlens Noel and Kawhi Leonard

[ATLHawks3]

Oh and I'm putting DAVID LEE on the market, if anyone is interested.

[capstone21]

We can make trades?

[Admin]

Oh and I'm putting DAVID LEE on the market, if anyone is interested.

Hasn't he BEEN on the market since you drafted him?

We can make trades?

Haha no I don't think so, was just joking because of the Noel speculation.

[ATLHawks3]

I'm looking for a good wing or a true center to pair with Duncan.

[Guest]

Anyone interested in trading for that stud kid from Kentucky that I drafted Noel? AHF??

Might as well throw in Tyson Clabo too... Heehee. Couldn't resist.Don't you have Bynum too?

[AHF]

Hasn't he BEEN on the market since you drafted him?

Haha no I don't think so, was just joking because of the Noel speculation.

That is a Philly tank job, IMO. It isn't irrational - it is a lost season from a wins perspective either way so why not take your time and make sure he is completely healthy and then maximize your shot at Wiggins?