Over grading the work of Ferry.

[Diesel]

When I say work, I'm talking his work as a GM.

 

Ferry has had 2.5 bad drafts and some dumb moves.... With the firesale of JJ, Marvin, and Smoove.

 

As I look at a lot of the defenses of Ferry, I see a whole lot of statements like..." he's the best GM we have ever had.?"

 

I'll take the last four:

 

Ferry

Sund

BK

Babcock

 

I'll rank them this way:

 

1.  BK

2.  Ferry

3.  Babcock

4.  Sund

 

BK and Ferry are very similar.  Both have a plan.  Both are very aloof.  Neither can draft.  But BK was always a little better in the trade department.  BK also knew that the only way out of our current situation was tanking.

 

Babcock is not so far down from Ferry. IN fact, Babcock could outtrade Ferry any day of the week... I mean, getting Mookie... Getting Deke... Getting Shareef...  Getting all those picks in JT's year.  I might have to move Babcock up.  But Babcock never had a plan.  He was a play it by ear guy and that I cannot respect.  Ferry at least has a plan.  I don't like his plan, but it's a plan.

 

Sund was just a caretaker.  He did what Gearon Jr. Wanted and I cannot respect that.

 

But when you look at the moves of Ferry... His best moves were trading Marvin for nothing and getting Korver.

  Aside from that... There's Nothing.  His drafts are jokes.  His has done two trades where we traded away something for nothing.   He is a something for nothing kind of GM.

 

Yet many squawkers think he's Great. 

Capspace doesn't play and is not well utilized in Atlanta. 

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

An average GM is still the best we've ever had

[AHF]

You can't mention Babcock's name without noting that he might be the worst drafter in NBA history.

[curtmcgirt]

I was a HUGE BK supporter, but Marvin over Paul is what landed us in the past decades quagmire. BK was experimenting with something that I think was worth experimenting with (6'5" or taller players at every position) but failed at recognizing transcendent talent when it was right in front of him.

 

Sund was a tool of Gearon who just worked as a place holder.

 

 Babcock, Deke and LaPhonso Ellis are his two biggest signings. but he was great at trades. I want him in the organization for that purpose ALONE. I want him nowhere near a draft. Also HE TRADED NIQUE. -1,000,000,000,000 points for that alone.

 

Ferry has a plan that works with what his coach wants, which is different from the other three. We have flexibility and all of our picks. I know people are upset about BeBe, but Tavares could be better. We can only look at what's actually been on the floor. John Jenkins and Dennis need to show something this year.

[tonegully]

When I say work, I'm talking his work as a GM.

 

Ferry has had 2.5 bad drafts and some dumb moves.... With the firesale of JJ, Marvin, and Smoove.

 

As I look at a lot of the defenses of Ferry, I see a whole lot of statements like..." he's the best GM we have ever had.?"

 

I'll take the last four:

 

Ferry

Sund

BK

Babcock

 

I'll rank them this way:

 

1.  BK

2.  Ferry

3.  Babcock

4.  Sund

 

BK and Ferry are very similar.  Both have a plan.  Both are very aloof.  Neither can draft.  But BK was always a little better in the trade department.  BK also knew that the only way out of our current situation was tanking.

 

Babcock is not so far down from Ferry. IN fact, Babcock could outtrade Ferry any day of the week... I mean, getting Mookie... Getting Deke... Getting Shareef...  Getting all those picks in JT's year.  I might have to move Babcock up.  But Babcock never had a plan.  He was a play it by ear guy and that I cannot respect.  Ferry at least has a plan.  I don't like his plan, but it's a plan.

 

Sund was just a caretaker.  He did what Gearon Jr. Wanted and I cannot respect that.

 

But when you look at the moves of Ferry... His best moves were trading Marvin for nothing and getting Korver.

  Aside from that... There's Nothing.  His drafts are jokes.  His has done two trades where we traded away something for nothing.   He is a something for nothing kind of GM.

 

Yet many squawkers think he's Great. 

Capspace doesn't play and is not well utilized in Atlanta. 

Seriously? He is the best we have had in a looooooonng time. I havent been more excited about this team and our position, as far being able to trade or sign players, since I dont know when. He has the team in a great position and if you think we are not then i want some of what you are smoking.

[Jody23]

Ferry has his shortcomings and blunders, but simply bringing in Bud puts him ahead of Knight, Babcock and Sund imo. And for all of the complaints about him not spending money, well perhaps the Hawks don't lose Jamal Crawford because of massively over-paying you know who if Ferry were GM. Truth is, many of the Joe Johnson and Josh Smith loyalists hate Ferry for trading/dumping their guy. Oh sure they'll say it's because "he didn't get enough back". Bottom line, it doesn't matter what Ferry did or who he brought in or who he got back in trade, they're going to hate him for trading those guys. Even if the Hawks had won the title, they'd still criticize Ferry for not doing it with Joe or Josh on the roster.

[capstone21]

Ferry had a direction and he understood chemistry of a team

 

He was working on a system and brought in the right but untested coach to implement that.  

 

He knew how to find diamonds in the rough.

 

His draft record is still a TBD

 

However to rank BK ahead of him is laughable.  

[Guest]

This again / sigh. Nope won't do it - won't get sucked back in.

[JETSET]

Seriously? He is the best we have had in a looooooonng time. I havent been more excited about this team and our position, as far being able to trade or sign players, since I dont know when. He has the team in a great position and if you think we are not then i want some of what you are smoking.

Exactly tone.  We finally get a good thing going and these fools can't even realize it. 

 

I love how Diesel conveniently leaves out the fact that Ferry brought in a coach who is a franchise changer.  The hiring of Bud, by Ferry, is better than any other move listed next to any of the 4.

[kerrypack]

bud is great, and was able to attract asst coaches in quinn and that new euro who have been good at developing players.  i like the players on this team.

 

i hate duke, but still want to give ferry or his direction a chance.  if the gearons take over i am sure that isn't going to happen...

[Guest]

This again / sigh. Nope won't do it - won't get sucked back in.

 

@Diesel isn't wrong here.  Folks just like their guy.  Hook baited, c'mon in JBH.  Hehe.

[HawkItus]

Man, Kasten for all his warts built the most successful teams we have had here in Atlanta.  Next was Babcock.  Ferry is 3rd at best right now.  

[Guest]

Man, Kasten for all his warts built the most successful teams we have had here in Atlanta.  Next was Babcock.  Ferry is 3rd at best right now.  

 

You're probably right, but let's see if Ferry can draft a star ,errr starter before we put him over BK.

[Peoriabird]

This thread is hilarious!  The Hawks have more structure, development and direction than they have ever had in the history of this franchise!  It has happened under Ferry's watch in less than 2 1/2 years.  Now some want him to draft a superstar before he gets credit lol!  With what? A non lottery pick????  Like someone else has already stated...Most of y'all wouldn't know a good thing if it woke you up in the morning for 10 years straight!

Edited September 15, 2014 by Peoriabird

[DrReality]

This again / sigh. Nope won't do it - won't get sucked back in.

That's funny.  That's really funny.  I'd say that is one of D's biggest tricks is to suck someone into his shenanigans and he's off the the races.  Without this tactic he'd have about 300 posts. 

[Diesel]

You can't mention Babcock's name without noting that he might be the worst drafter in NBA history.

 

I agree.  He couldn't draft worth a flip.  However, he never had many lottery picks due to the fact that he made very good trades.

 

Rumeal for Mookie.

Plastic Man and Long for Deke (in a strange free agent kinda way).

etc.

[Diesel]

 

Ferry has a plan that works with what his coach wants, which is different from the other three. We have flexibility and all of our picks. I know people are upset about BeBe, but Tavares could be better. We can only look at what's actually been on the floor. John Jenkins and Dennis need to show something this year.

 

Bebe is a lost liter is what you're trying to sale us.  The truth is Bebe was a wasted lottery pick.  Tavares was a second round pick.  We're just hiding guys in Europe.

 

Ferry's plan doesn't work with his coaches wants?  Ferry's coach was hand picked to go with Ferry's plan.  Ferry wants a team of non-elite talent to win by using teamwork.

It's a failing plan.

 

BK's plan was better.  Get a star player to build around.  BK just couldn't spot a star.  But his way to get a star is great.

[Diesel]

Ferry has his shortcomings and blunders, but simply bringing in Bud puts him ahead of Knight, Babcock and Sund imo. And for all of the complaints about him not spending money, well perhaps the Hawks don't lose Jamal Crawford because of massively over-paying you know who if Ferry were GM. Truth is, many of the Joe Johnson and Josh Smith loyalists hate Ferry for trading/dumping their guy. Oh sure they'll say it's because "he didn't get enough back". Bottom line, it doesn't matter what Ferry did or who he brought in or who he got back in trade, they're going to hate him for trading those guys. Even if the Hawks had won the title, they'd still criticize Ferry for not doing it with Joe or Josh on the roster.

 

Babcock brought in Lenny.   BK couldn't bring in anybody because ASG wanted to keep things on the cheap.  BK even wanted to fire Woodson and the ASG balked at that.

[Diesel]

Exactly tone.  We finally get a good thing going and these fools can't even realize it. 

 

I love how Diesel conveniently leaves out the fact that Ferry brought in a coach who is a franchise changer.  The hiring of Bud, by Ferry, is better than any other move listed next to any of the 4.

 

See, this is what I'm talking about...

You say Ferry hiring Bud was the best coaching hire ever?  Really?  Bud didn't win 40 games last year.

Let's separate Bud from the Spurs success for a second.

 

Bud didn't win 40 games.  We limped into the playoffs and lost in the first round.  I don't think we beat a team above .500 all year.

 

What makes Bud so great?  I think if anything, Bud is a TBD.

 

However, what you all see in Bud is a guy who was in San Antonio for all those years.  Bud is not POPP!!!   POPP has won a championship without Bud.

 

Here's what's funny because I hear the excuses...

Bud loses Horf... Hawks go 38-44.

LD loses Horf... Hawks go 40-42.

 

Horf only played 11 games for LD in 2011-2012.

 

Horf played 29 for Bud last year.

 

So...  What's so great about Bud again?

Let's just say... TBD.

 

Moreover, that's mucho disrespect to Lenny Wilkens and Mike Fratello to say that Bud is the best coach that we have had.  Hell, I think I just showed that it's even disrespectful to LD.

[Diesel]

This thread is hilarious!  The Hawks have more structure, development and direction than they have ever had in the history of this franchise!  It has happened under Ferry's watch in less than 2 1/2 years.  Now some want him to draft a superstar before he gets credit lol!  With what? A non lottery pick????  Like someone else has already stated...Most of y'all wouldn't know a good thing if it woke you up in the morning for 10 years straight!

 

It doesn't have to be a superstar.

 

Draft somebody that is starter worthy... how about that?  Can he draft one player who can be a starter in this league?

Even BK's bad draft picks could and did start and not just for our team.  Chillz was a star in Greece, then came back and started with the Suns.  Marvin was a starter for the Jazz.  Even Shelden was a starter for the Kings and saw decent BU minutes for Boston.

 

However, J. Jenkins leads a parade of guys who won't start.

 

You all say Ferry has structure... as if BK didn't.  BK's structure was clear... he wanted long, athletic players...who were versatile.  He wanted guys like Paul George and KD.  BK's talent finding ability was flawed but he did have structure and he did have a plan that works.

 

Ferry has a theory.  Some of you have bought high on this theory.  His theory is that he can get "high character guys" who are not elite talent guys but specialist and win.  The part about this plan that is so stupid is that he basically ignores anybody who is an elite talent.  That's why he's on the tape downing Melo and Deng in the first place.  I'm sure he did the same with D12 and CP3.  Ferry wants to recreate the spurs without Tim Duncan.  And there is so many people that  have heard that he's making us into the Spurs that they have gotten loopy and will forgive all that Ferry does in the process.  Give away a first round pick.... "databoy, if you're doing it it must be right."  Get nothing of value for Free Agents and trades..." Good Job, we need the capspace."  Puts out a statement with racist overtones and lies about it...  "Oh, it's not so bad".   The last time I saw this much apathy from a portion of the fanbase was Babcock.  Will it take Ferry trading Dominique for nothing before Fans start to realize how bad a GM he is?