Danny Ferrys Horrible Gamble..

[willthepureshooter]

I thought Danny Ferry was some type of genius. But looking at how Demarre and Saps contracts were setup it seems he's outsmarted himself. Two years later, with our franchise making an Eastern Conference Finals appearance after 40+ years, we may be looking at a costly setback.

If we choose to pay both of these guys their market value, our franchise could be crippled once again. Do we trade Horford to offset the cap money spent? Do we hinder ourselves from any other free agency choices that could help this team? Or do we overpay one and let the other go?

These are the results of a bad gamble by Danny Ferry. He literally put a borderline all-star in Paul Millsap and a NBA journeyman in Demarre Carroll into the perfect system to increase their value while leaving the Hawks with no control.

We're screwed! And Danny Ferry once again shows how he's severely overrated. He's turned the Atlanta Hawks into an incubator for borderline players to develop and leave for the big bucks.

What's our best solution in this case, and will it cause this team to regress next year? This reminds me of the gamble Dimitroff and Mike Smith took with not resigning John Abraham. The Falcons took a nose dive and haven't recovered yet.

[IheartVolt]

Omg! Some on here just search for the negative side of everything. He offered more to Sap anyway , but could only sign him for two years. Folks I am out of here for a few weeks cause this place has gone bat shit crazy.

[ATLien_]

I posted this in the other thread before you moved it.

I thought you didn't know how to make your text show up green, but then I realized you are serious. The plan was about competing while remaining flexible and he accomplished that masterfully. We just went to the conference finals and have more cap space then a all but 4 or 5 teams in the NBA. Even if we decide to keep DMC and Sap their cap holds are team friendly so we can sign another player for 7-10 million first then sign our players after. I'm not sure how we could be in a much more favorable position. It's not Danny Ferry ' s fault these guys earned bigger contracts, if anything that should make us more desirable to free agents. 

[benhillboy]

Wasn't very horrible to me. I enjoyed the hell out of watching those two guys' games ascend.

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

Danny offered Sap and Demarre longer year deals. They only accepted shorter ones... You would know this if you paid attention to recent threads.

Edited May 30, 2015 by PSSSHHHRRR87

[OldTimeHawk]

honestly there as a number of guys that would fit DMC role that are available and cheap - its the system guys - yes we would have to acclimate them and have time to mesh,but its not like we are starting over. We will be fine .

[willthepureshooter]

Omg! Some on here just search for the negative side of everything. He offered more to Sap anyway , but could only sign him for two years. Folks I am out of here for a few weeks cause this place has gone bat shit crazy.

Woah! Simmer down a tad. We all know you "heart" Ferry. This is constructive criticism based off facts. As a gm, Ferrys strategy to bring Millsap in on a two year deal offered no benefit for the franchise. Even if Ferry thought Millsaps production wouldn't exceed expectations, you have to understand the truth. Millsaps heavy usage alone on a team with limited talent would cause for a high spike in his production. Obviously Sap and his agent knew that, but Ferry was too arrogant to take it into account. Even worse, how can you not think about the tv deal? I would rather pay Sap the extra $2m two years ago than give him and his agent that much control. A 4yr $44m deal would've probably gotten Sap to sign here long-term. Danny should've paid him earlier. Now, we may end up overpaying him.

[willthepureshooter]

Danny offered Sap and Demarre longer year deals. They only accepted shorter ones... You would know this if you paid attention to recent threads.

I know he offered longer contracts to them, but I'm sure the reason they wanted to wait was due to the money offered. Millsap could've been offered $1m or $2m more to lock him in long-term. As for Demarre, I'm still over here scratching my head. You can't sell a career journeyman into a longer contract? Haha. What?

[skimaskway23]

When they were signed I remember most ppl being happy they were short deals. Nobody was excited about demarre

[AHF]

Just way overstated.

Edited May 30, 2015 by AHF

[Guest]

Anyone can play Monday morning quarterback.

[LucastheThird]

They were both offered longer deals if I remember correctly. He even offered Millsap an extension this past summer, but Sap turned it down in favor of getting more money with a FA deal. Don't sit here and try to nitpick and take away what Ferry did for this franchise because you're upset they didn't get to the Finals.

[willthepureshooter]

They were both offered longer deals if I remember correctly. He even offered Millsap an extension this past summer, but Sap turned it down in favor of getting more money with a FA deal. Don't sit here and try to nitpick and take away what Ferry did for this franchise because you're upset they didn't get to the Finals.

Nitpicking? If we lose both of these guys, our franchise will take a nosedive. But hey, I'm still upset about our injury riddled team missing the finals. Smh. You're reaching homie..

[bird_dirt]

Ferry, you big dumby! You built a team that got to the ECF ahead of schedule and now this team has free agents that are playing better than they ever had before!

What a maroon! Anyone who's actually as smart as they think they are would be able to see how good a job their plans would do and adjust accordingly.

Smdh at that pessimistic GM.

[DS17Fanboy]

Nitpicking? If we lose both of these guys, our franchise will take a nosedive. But hey, I'm still upset about our injury riddled team missing the finals. Smh. You're reaching homie..

So these guys worked out and because they worked out it wasnt any good? Millsap was not borderline allstar, and nobody cared about Carrol. Its not for nothing that they got paid so low. Hindsight etc...

 

But I get your fear of Hawks becoming a franchise where such guys flourish and then get paid somewhere else. In soccer there is also some clubs like this who are sarcastically called "Ausbildungsvereine"(Educational Franchises), but for one such franchises usualy thrive well enough to be contending and challenge the top. Thats not such a bad place to be after being mediocre at best for decades. Thats something to build on, builds a contending team brand, and makes lucrative trades possible if the cards are played the right way and you know that the system makes guys replacable.

Edited May 30, 2015 by DS17Fanboy

[Guest]

ONE STAR THREAD.

If anybody on the Squawk said they expected DMC and Sap to be in line for these kinds of salaries they'll be straight up lying.

Some forget all the complaining - all that capspace and all we got was Millsap and Carroll blah blah blah, its a good thing they're only signed for 2 years blah, blah, blah.

How in the heck is that a bad gamble when players exceed expectations on great deals so now they've gotta be paid?

Blllllllsheet.

[bird_dirt]

So these guys worked out and because they worked out it wasnt any good? Millsap was not borderline allstar, and nobody cared about Carrol. Its not for nothing that they got paid so low. Hindsight etc...

But I get your fear of Hawks becoming a franchise where such guys flourish and then get paid somewhere else. In soccer there is also some clubs like this who are sarcastically called "Ausbildungsvereine"(Educational Franchises), but for one such franchises usualy thrive well enough to be contending and challenge the top. Thats not such a bad place to be after being mediocre at best for decades. Thats something to build on, builds a contending team brand, and makes lucrative trades possible if the cards are played the right way and you know that the system makes guys replacable.

Wolfsburg

[LucastheThird]

Nitpicking? If we lose both of these guys, our franchise will take a nosedive. But hey, I'm still upset about our injury riddled team missing the finals. Smh. You're reaching homie..

You're the one saying that we should have locked these guys (who we didn't know would develop this far) up for multiple years based off of what they did in Utah. But I'm the one reaching...........................

[Diesel]

honestly there as a number of guys that would fit DMC role that are available and cheap - its the system guys - yes we would have to acclimate them and have time to mesh,but its not like we are starting over. We will be fine .

 

I think what people miss in DMC is the Junk Yard Dog.  He's a hustle guy and always have been.  He's really been it in and out of the lockerroom.  But you're right, if his ask gets too high, bring on Matthews.

[DS17Fanboy]

Wolfsburg

Basically anyone besides Bayer Munich. lol

 

But in soccer money is much more an issue. Its all about money. There is no draft, salary-caps, revenue-sharing etc. Soccer is basically a no rules libertarian wet dream where most clubs are in the deep red, only to be saved every other year by the cities taxpayers etc. While US pro sports is basically a socialist wet dream, everything in order and where the wealth is spread around.

 

I always wondered about why that is...the US pro sports system is prolly from the FDR era, while ours is prolly Victorian. IDK

 

But my point was that in the NBA such a situation with only one or two clubs duking it out in front of everybody else for decades is not going to happen. The cards are reshuffled all the time in US sports, and as such overpaying mediocre talent isnt to good of an idea, but working a system that can easily reboot and in the right constalation(by trading overvalued players for real talent) might win a championship sounds more worthwhile to pursuit.

Edited May 30, 2015 by DS17Fanboy