Yeah it's that time of the year again..

[StephenHawking]

It has to be addressed every once in a while that Bud is hella overrated as a coach imo. Sure I'm not aware of how other coaches perform but he seems to struggle at just about everything.

- Never adjusts to in-game-situations

(Gets outcoached every third qtr)

-Unable to draw up good final shot plays  

-Completely overrated at developing talent 

(Hes pretty good in making bad players into average players but he seems unable to put players over the top)

-Has strange relationships to players.

(Playing Delaney all the time even though he sucked way too often in example)

 

Just to make it clear. I'm okay with keeping Bud as a coach for now as we are trying to be bad anyway. Its the next season and season after what's bothering me. To get the best out of top talent you need to hand them the keys sometimes. The way he treats Collins hell be unable to develop his game. He can develop to an above average big as Hoeford and Sap were at best but nothing more. 

If we get even better talent this year in the draft I dont want them to sour on the bench when we play mediocre talent instead. Big players make big plays in big moments. Therefor the rookies have to play. 

[benhillboy]

I’m a Bud fan through and through but can’t deny he does some silly, unexplainable sh@t.  

2 years ago he glued Hump to the bench in the playoffs only to watch him eat glass in every second he did get.  Last year, one of the league’s premier perimeter defenders in Thabo is glued to the bench in a series with f@&kin Bradley Beal and John Wall.  Now Collins being treated like a bum when he always plays hard and efficiently.  Holla at your boy, Bud.

I’ll begrudgingly give him the benefit of doubt on his Delaney and Moose fascinations, the type of players only a coach could love.  I’m guessung he loves their practice habits and is overly confident in their jumpers.  Time is ticking for him to polish and package they ass up.

Edited January 13, 2018 by benhillboy

[frosgrim]

Delany is a walking, guaranteed loss with more minutes. Given what we're trying to achieve this year, you need to play Delany. 

[Peoriabird]

4 hours ago, StephenHawking said:

It has to be addressed every once in a while that Bud is hella overrated as a coach imo. Sure I'm not aware of how other coaches perform but he seems to struggle at just about everything.

- Never adjusts to in-game-situations

(Gets outcoached every third qtr)

-Unable to draw up good final shot plays  

-Completely overrated at developing talent 

(Hes pretty good in making bad players into average players but he seems unable to put players over the top)

-Has strange relationships to players.

(Playing Delaney all the time even though he sucked way too often in example)

 

Just to make it clear. I'm okay with keeping Bud as a coach for now as we are trying to be bad anyway. Its the next season and season after what's bothering me. To get the best out of top talent you need to hand them the keys sometimes. The way he treats Collins hell be unable to develop his game. He can develop to an above average big as Hoeford and Sap were at best but nothing more. 

If we get even better talent this year in the draft I dont want them to sour on the bench when we play mediocre talent instead. Big players make big plays in big moments. Therefor the rookies have to play. 

Careful...This is a forbidden topic on this message board. By the way, you make excellent points that will never be addressed here.

[Vol4ever]

Can't coach bigs in the post.  Tried to make all bigs 3 shooters.   

[DBac]

He's pretty good. More problems with Bud the GM than Bud the coach

[StephenHawking]

vor 2 Stunden, DBac sagte:

He's pretty good. More problems with Bud the GM than Bud the coach

I'd like you to elaborate what makes him a good coach

[Peoriabird]

His biggest problem remains in game personnel management

[StephenHawking]

vor 2 Minuten, Peoriabird sagte:

His biggest problem remains in game personnel management

Bud seems to have that lifelong pass due to his coty honors. 

Next to nobody is digging into his bad habits and fails. They always strike back with its not on bud he's a great coach bla bla. 

 

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, StephenHawking said:

Next to nobody is digging into his bad habits and fails.

 

I've been the lone critic for a long time with many enemies on this message board because of my criticisms.

[StephenHawking]

And people praise him for his work with rookies when in reality he has no greater achievements than any other coach in this league. 

Let's see: 

Schröder made good development (known that Atkinson is the key attributor to this)

THJ (bad player to average player)

Muscala  (bad player to under average player) 

Bembry (nothing accomplished yet)

Prince  (slightly below average player for now)

Collins (average player) 

Dorsey (nothing accomplished yet) 

 

 

 

 

[NBASupes]

Al Horford made us overrate Bud. We produced at an insanely high level and we didn't want to believe it was Al. We wanted to believe it was coaching. It was Al. Al was in first last year and is in first again this year. We went to barely making the playoffs to the worst team in the NBA. 

[nathan2331]

 

 

Al Horford made us overrate Bud. We produced at an insanely high level and we didn't want to believe it was Al. We wanted to believe it was coaching. It was Al. Al was in first last year and is in first again this year. We went to barely making the playoffs to the worst team in the NBA. 

 

Losing Al was not the problem, not finding an adequate replacement was. Howard was a poor fit for what we needed from a center and Al covered up a lot of deficiencies in the team, but Korver's slow decline and Carroll's departure meant the end of the 60-win team. While Al's skillset is fairly unique, we can find other guys who can make similar impact in the future.

 

While the criticisms in this thread our valid, as fans can we ever say the Hawks underachieved. For all of Bud's problems, the team performs better than it should on paper.

[Lurker]

Reposting here...

Yes, the Hawks had well rated defenses, but Bud's defensive scheme was overrated even before this bad season. Good perimeter teams always could exploit it and did.

[StephenHawking]

vor 1 Stunde, nathan2331 sagte:

 

 

 

 

Losing Al was not the problem, not finding an adequate replacement was. Howard was a poor fit for what we needed from a center and Al covered up a lot of deficiencies in the team, but Korver's slow decline and Carroll's departure meant the end of the 60-win team. While Al's skillset is fairly unique, we can find other guys who can make similar impact in the future.

 

While the criticisms in this thread our valid, as fans can we ever say the Hawks underachieved. For all of Bud's problems, the team performs better than it should on paper.

Never understood this argument. Who can tell how a team should perform? Who are we to say this group isn't as talented as other groups? Why are the Hawks always overachieving in your minds? Maybe they play right where they belong talent wise.

[nathan2331]

 

 

Never understood this argument. Who can tell how a team should perform? Who are we to say this group isn't as talented as other groups? Why are the Hawks always overachieving in your minds? Maybe they play right where they belong talent wise.

 

That 2014-2015 team didn't look great on paper. The projections were that we'd be around a .500 team. We only won 38 games the season before. Before the season started we had legitimate discussions about blowing the team up. The major additions we made were Thabo, Baze and Payne.

 

Bud made that team play as well they did. The players weren't that good, but they fit the role Bud gave them. Even now when we're fielding a bunch of scrubs and vets, we still play good basketball.

[Peoriabird]

40 minutes ago, nathan2331 said:

 

 

 

 

That 2014-2015 team didn't look great on paper. The projections were that we'd be around a .500 team. We only won 38 games the season before. Before the season started we had legitimate discussions about blowing the team up. The major additions we made were Thabo, Baze and Payne.

 

Bud made that team play as well they did. The players weren't that good, but they fit the role Bud gave them. Even now when we're fielding a bunch of scrubs and vets, we still play good basketball.

Dude...Korver had one of the best shooting year's ever.  The offense flowed around Korver's shooting and the Defense around Horford.  The reason the team won 38 games the year before is because Horford was hurt early in the season.

[nathan2331]

Dude...Korver had one of the best shooting year's ever.  The offense flowed around Korver's shooting and the Defense around Horford.  The reason the team won 38 games the year before is because Horford was hurt early in the season.

And who's offense allowed Korver to thrive? That was by Bud's design. Korver to that point had never been featured as heavily in a team.

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, nathan2331 said:

16 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Dude...Korver had one of the best shooting year's ever.  The offense flowed around Korver's shooting and the Defense around Horford.  The reason the team won 38 games the year before is because Horford was hurt early in the season.

 

And who's offense allowed Korver to thrive? That was by Bud's design. Korver to that point had never been featured as heavily in a team.

The point is after Korver returned to his career norms, Bud could not adjust and started to produce mediocre results again.

[nathan2331]

 

 

 

 

 

The point is after Korver returned to his career norms, Bud could not adjust and started to produce mediocre results again.

 

 

 

 

Korver played worse than his career norms. His 3p% drop from 49.2% to 39.8%. Korver wasn't that good of a player, and unfortunately Bazemore didn't step up like we hoped he would. Hardaway wasn't the answer either. What was Bud the coach supposed to do with subpar personnel?