Prince, Collins...and Zion?

[NBASupes]

29 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Every draft gets this kind of hype.  In 2014, Andrew Wiggins was the next LBJ and Jabari Parker was a sure fire superstar along with Julius Randle.  

None of them was anywhere near this good. Embiid was a 6th man at this time of the season his freshman year and even then people was like, he is the only one showing MVP potential which he is playing like this year. No one ever seen that in Parker or Wiggins. Why do you keep bringing them up? Scouts wasn't sold on either one

[TheNorthCydeRises]

6 hours ago, KB21 said:

He's been better than Bagley, by far, this year and is a big contributor to Memphis's 8-5 start.  

Agreed.  I get all of the Grizzlies games where I live.  JJJ is in the perfect situation in Memphis, playing alongside Gasol and Conley.  It took an injury to get him into the starting lineup. Like Trae, he's struggled with the 3 ball, but everything else has translated well to the NBA.

JJJ has been outstanding tonight.

[terrell]

10 hours ago, Sothron said:

Alright guys, I get that you all want Zion, I do too, but we can't start all 3 guys. Would you trade Prince or Collins? I keep thinking Prince is the expendable young veteran in this scenario.

Prince or Collins? lol. Bye Prince..

[terrell]

6 hours ago, KB21 said:

He's been better than Bagley, by far, this year and is a big contributor to Memphis's 8-5 start.  

But you told us that rookies cant contribute to winning teams. GTFOOH..lol

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Just now, Royjr9 said:

I m not over thinking it with Trae, Collins, Huerter and spellman reddish would prolly be the better fit. His three point shooting and ability to take over games makes this easier for Trae while making him look better to me. Zion is good if he can shoot it from deep then yes he would be a good fit.otherwise I go with the six 9 guy that can bomb from deep. 

That should not be the Hawks criteria for who to select.  If they think that the "6-9 guy" is the best player available, then by no means take him.  But if they think that Zion is the BPA, but they still take Barrett because of a better fit, that will be a fatal mistake.   It could be a Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan type of mistake.  Or like Detroit selecting the better fitting Darko Milicic over Carmelo Anthony, who would've been a 6th man on Detroit ( who may have won multiple titles with another scorer ).

 

[bleachkit]

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

The age range for epiphyseal closure for men is 16-21.  He's at an age where he may or may not still have some growth centers left in his long bones.  

That may be technically true but greater than 95% of males have reached their full adult by around age 18. Also, usually those that are still growing do not look as filled out and developed as Zion. I would say it's highly unlikely he will grow any taller.

[hazer]

14 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Also, usually those that are still growing do not look as filled out and developed as Zion. I would say it's highly unlikely he will grow any taller.

True. I was very skinny at age 17 when I grew 2 more inches by 20. I ended up filling out with a much thicker build in my 20s.

[KB21]

36 minutes ago, terrell said:

But you told us that rookies cant contribute to winning teams. GTFOOH..lol

I said the MAJORITY of rookies can't contribute to winning games.  The exceptions are few and far between, and JJJ may end up being an exception.  Of course, I was telling you how good he was before the draft as well...

[KB21]

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

I said the MAJORITY of rookies can't contribute to winning games.  The exceptions are few and far between, and JJJ may end up being an exception.  Of course, I was telling you how good he was before the draft as well...

Also, it certainly helps that he is on a veteran team with a healthy Gasol and Conley.  

[KB21]

38 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

That should not be the Hawks criteria for who to select.  If they think that the "6-9 guy" is the best player available, then by no means take him.  But if they think that Zion is the BPA, but they still take Barrett because of a better fit, that will be a fatal mistake.   It could be a Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan type of mistake.  Or like Detroit selecting the better fitting Darko Milicic over Carmelo Anthony, who would've been a 6th man on Detroit ( who may have won multiple titles with another scorer ).

 

IMO, this would be the case only if you believe the player in question will be a top 5 player in the NBA and a guy you build your team around.  I'm not there with Zion at this point.  At this time last year, many had Marvin Bagley as that type of player, and we see how that has turned out..  

If Zion shows that he can shoot three point shots at an efficient rate at a much higher volume than he is currently, I might buy into it a little.

[terrell]

40 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I said the MAJORITY of rookies can't contribute to winning games.  The exceptions are few and far between, and JJJ may end up being an exception.  Of course, I was telling you how good he was before the draft as well...

No you didnt. lol

[terrell]

40 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Also, it certainly helps that he is on a veteran team with a healthy Gasol and Conley.  

This is why I said sign a couple of good FA's..to go with the younguns...

[terrell]

Just now, terrell said:

This is why I said sign a couple of good FA's..to go with the younguns...

And you said a couple of good vet FA's cant help them develop enough to contribute to a winning team or some shizz...But now youre sayin a couple of vets can make a difference. Im confused. lol

[NBASupes]

49 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I said the MAJORITY of rookies can't contribute to winning games.  The exceptions are few and far between, and JJJ may end up being an exception.  Of course, I was telling you how good he was before the draft as well...

Conley had this Grizzles team in the playoffs for what, 8 straight years. He got hurt and even before the injury, they were on pace to make the playoffs. Don't f***ing put their success on that clown

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, terrell said:

But you told us that rookies cant contribute to winning teams. GTFOOH..lol

He said that shit. I told him he is a dumbass. I told him, if the rookies go to a good team, of course they can help that team win. You think Orlando would suck with Trae? No, they would be just as good if not better. 

Rookies especially the good ones get drafted to shitty teams

[DBac]

Damn JJJ with 27 vs Bagleys team tonight. Izzo really blew it having him and Bridges.

[EazyRoc]

8 hours ago, KB21 said:

IMO, this would be the case only if you believe the player in question will be a top 5 player in the NBA and a guy you build your team around.  I'm not there with Zion at this point.  At this time last year, many had Marvin Bagley as that type of player, and we see how that has turned out..  

If Zion shows that he can shoot three point shots at an efficient rate at a much higher volume than he is currently, I might buy into it a little.

I think you were on to something earlier, but it isn’t 3 pt shooting. Zion could never shoot a 3 pter and still probably avg. close to 20 ppg from Day 1. Where he REALLY has to improve is FT shooting. The guy will live at the line in the pros and 60% just isn’t good enough.

[JCDBaptist]

13 hours ago, JCDBaptist said:

I've only seen a few games of him but his ball handling and playmaking are definitely above average for a player his size. He is a slasher and  willing passer. 

As a matter of fact, I would rather have someone that is physical in the post and can slash and create for himself. Everyone in the nba is a 3 point specialist now.

He definitely brings a different skillset. Add 20 pounds on LeBron and a wider frame and he is definitely just as athletic as LBJ, if not more. He is definitely establishing a more physical presence than LBJ.

To add to this, everyone defends a stretch 4 in the NBA. That makes the defender job easier and lazy. Imagine a 4 having to defend a 285 slasher that plays way above the rim, rhat is also physical in the post.

This is a different skillset that modern NBA is not used to defend, trying to defend a just as explosive 285 lb Westbrook. That wears out a defender and brings more fouls on the defender, especily with the way touch calls are going nowadays.

We have enough perimeter shooters. That would separate us from other teams on how they would have to defend.

[JCDBaptist]

12 hours ago, DBac said:

Yeh sometimes Barrett gave me Bazemore vibes with his out of control drives to the basket lol. He is more suited to that type of game than Bazemore though mind you.

I can see that too.

[JCDBaptist]

11 hours ago, KB21 said:

LOL!

There have been 3 generational players drafted in the past 15 drafts, but somehow, there are going to be at least three generational players in this draft?

Name them please. To me, generational is a feanchise player who can play and dominate or true HoF in any generation. Or, one who changes an era of a generation. 

I would like to think there are more but injuries hampered them.

Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, LBJ, KD, Steph Curry, Wade, Giannis. I would say Kawhi because his game would translate to any era. All of those are 1st ballot HoF that could play and ve HoF in any era. Embiid I imagine as a Hakeem Olajuwon type with the skillset that he has would translate and AD as a Dirk type that actually defends and rebounds in the 90s era. Of course, injuries dampened those last 2 and Giannis still has to fulfill the potential.

I know some wouldn't agree with all of that but give me your idea and definition and name them. Most of those are generational due to their physique and measurables to go along with their skillset, LBJ, Giannis, KD, AD, and Embiid. The few are because their game translates due to their skillset along with their development and determination and work ethic, Wade, Curry, Kawhi.