Coaching!

[Peoriabird]

What are the qualities that a coach must have to be great?

 

1) Is he a just a people manager like Phil Jackson while allowing his horses to run?

2) Is it the X's and O's specialist for the offense and defense that make the best coaches like Bud?

3) Does he work with the players to limit their flaws like Pop?

4) Design a training regimen during and after the season

5) Set specific goals/bench marks to meet by a specific time frame

6) Motivate players to care and try hard every night like a Spostra?

7) Encourage players to get better at the things they struggle with like defensive positioning/IQ

Or does it take a combination of all of the above.  Lets start the discussion shall we.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Besides the 24 items below that develops over time, Experience and Talent:

 

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• Caring – A great coach cares deeply about each individual in their program. This goes all the way from assistant coaches to the managers and all of their families. They let everyone in their program know that they care for them.
• Communication – Great coaches are able to communication their vision clearly. Whether that be in a practice, a game, a pre-game speech, etc., what they are communicating is absorbed and executed by their teams.
• Teamwork – This goes for getting their players to play as a collective unit, and teamwork on the sidelines with their assistant coaches. It takes a village to have a successful basketball team, and it starts with the head coach.
• Leadership – This one is a no-brainer. A great coach has to be an effective leader, on and off the court. If the leadership at the top is poor, the team has minimal chances for success.
• Ability to Teach – A coach is a teacher. They are constantly teaching the game, life lessons, and more. Great coaches are able to articulate what they want out of their players and coaches and teach them the best way to get to that point.
• Work Ethic – A great coach is the hardest worker in the entire program. They tirelessly work to improve the program, day in and day out.
• Love What They Do – The second a coach isn’t loving what they do, they should get out of coaching. A great coach loves the entire process of building and growing a team.
• Respect – Just as respect should be expected from their players, a coach must also give respect to their players.
• Passion – Great coaches have a passion not only for the game, but for what they are doing. They wake up every morning excited for the journey ahead of them.
• Energy – Piggy-backing off of the passion, the energy of a coach is very important. The entire program will feed off of it.
• Personal Development – Nobody is going to start out in coaching as a great coach. Coaches become great coaches by constantly learning and personal development.
• Ability to Adapt – Throughout the course of a season, or even a game, things are going to change. Great coaches are able to adapt and keep their team rolling.
• Basketball IQ – Basketball IQ is important to being a great coach. Recognizing situations and putting their team in great situations to succeed is vital.
• Organization – A lot goes into running a successful basketball program. Without proper organization, things can slip through the cracks and the team will suffer.
• Delegation – Great coaches understand that it takes a village (as noted earlier). Being able to delegate to assistant coaches and managers is important.
• Skill Building – Great coaches recognize what it takes to help build skills for the players in their program.
• Offensive Philosophy – A coach should have an offensive philosophy that he follows and highlights for his team. Everybody in the program should be on the same page about what the philosophy is.
• Defensive Philosophy – Just like offensive philosophy, defensive philosophy is obviously important for basketball coaches. Again, everybody in the program should be on the same page about this.
• Discipline – Without discipline, programs can become a circus. Great coaches recognize that discipline is needed across the board for their programs to be successful.
• Motivation – Great coaches are able to motivate their teams to play to the best of their ability, not only in games, but also in practices.
• Planning – Without proper planning, programs can get stuck in mediocrity. Coaches have to coach in the present, but also plan for the future.
• Involvement – A coach should make sure his players know that he wants to be involved in their life outside of the game. They should know about their school work, home lives, and more, so that they’re able to connect with their players on a deeper level.
• Objective – Great coaches are able to put any personal connections aside and coach each player objectively.
• Attention to Detail – A great coach is very detail-oriented and pays special attention to even the smallest of details to make sure his team is operating at 100% efficiency.

I googled it!

[Peoriabird]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Besides the 24 items below that develops over time, Experience and Talent:

 

I googled it!

What are LP's strengths?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

OK . . I'll play.  Here are the grades I'd give LP, if this is the criteria.  

• Caring – A
• Communication – B
• Teamwork – C
• Leadership – C
• Ability to Teach – C

 

• Work Ethic – B
• Love What They Do – A
• Respect – B
• Passion – B
• Energy – B

 

• Personal Development – B
• Ability to Adapt – D
• Basketball IQ – C
• Organization – C
• Delegation – B

 

• Skill Building – B
• Offensive Philosophy – B
• Defensive Philosophy – D
• Discipline – C
• Motivation – C

 

• Planning – C
• Involvement – A
• Objective – C
• Attention to Detail – C

 

A's - 3 x 4 = 12

B's - 9 x 3 = 27

C's - 10 x 2 = 20

D's - 2 x 1 = 2

 

Coaching GPA - 61 / 24 = 2.54 GPA

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by TheNorthCydeRises

[Peoriabird]

3 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

OK . . I'll play.  Here are the grades I'd give LP, if this is the criteria.  

• Caring – A
• Communication – B
• Teamwork – C
• Leadership – C
• Ability to Teach – C

 

• Work Ethic – B
• Love What They Do – A
• Respect – B
• Passion – B
• Energy – B

 

• Personal Development – B
• Ability to Adapt – D
• Basketball IQ – C
• Organization – C
• Delegation – B

 

• Skill Building – B
• Offensive Philosophy – B
• Defensive Philosophy – D
• Discipline – C
• Motivation – C

 

• Planning – C
• Involvement – A
• Objective – C
• Attention to Detail – C

 

A's - 3 x 4 = 12

B's - 9 x 3 = 27

C's - 10 x 2 = 20

D's - 2 x 1 = 2

 

Coaching GPA - 61 / 24 = 2.54 GPA

 

Not bad at all! but I'm not sure what's being taught.  So maybe a D on ability to teach. 

Skill Building D  He only attempts to improve 1 skill which is shooting.  Nothing else matters with this dude.

Offensive Philosophy D 

Defensive Philosophy F-

I can agree with the rest of your grades.

[High5]

18 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

OK . . I'll play.  Here are the grades I'd give LP, if this is the criteria.  

• Caring – A
• Communication – B
• Teamwork – C
• Leadership – C
• Ability to Teach – C

 

• Work Ethic – B
• Love What They Do – A
• Respect – B
• Passion – B
• Energy – B

 

• Personal Development – B
• Ability to Adapt – D
• Basketball IQ – C
• Organization – C
• Delegation – B

 

• Skill Building – B
• Offensive Philosophy – B
• Defensive Philosophy – D
• Discipline – C
• Motivation – C

 

• Planning – C
• Involvement – A
• Objective – C
• Attention to Detail – C

 

A's - 3 x 4 = 12

B's - 9 x 3 = 27

C's - 10 x 2 = 20

D's - 2 x 1 = 2

 

Coaching GPA - 61 / 24 = 2.54 GPA

 

I would love to hear how you came to some of those grades lol 

Pretty much the only negative (C or worse) grade I can agree with is motivation. The team definitely came out flat too many nights. I don't think we have enough to go on for most of the grades. 

[Peoriabird]

7 minutes ago, High5 said:

I would love to hear how you came to some of those grades lol 

Pretty much the only negative (C or worse) grade I can agree with is motivation. The team definitely came out flat too many nights. I don't think we have enough to go on for most of the grades. 

We have the Rebounding numbers, the turnover rate, the offensive and defensive rank.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

31 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Not bad at all! but I'm not sure what's being taught.  So maybe a D on ability to teach. 

Skill Building D  He only attempts to improve 1 skill which is shooting.  Nothing else matters with this dude.

Offensive Philosophy D 

Defensive Philosophy F-

I can agree with the rest of your grades.

 

I had him initially at a 2.63, and I was like . . . no way.  That's way too high.  So I had to re-evaluate him on a couple and gave him a C instead of a B on Leadership and Motivation.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

19 minutes ago, High5 said:

I would love to hear how you came to some of those grades lol 

Pretty much the only negative (C or worse) grade I can agree with is motivation. The team definitely came out flat too many nights. I don't think we have enough to go on for most of the grades. 

 

Yeah we do.  We have a year and a half worth of viewing what he does. 

This would be like saying that we don't know Trae's strengths and weaknesses as a player after 1.5 years.

I would go to say that LP getting a 2.5 is . . . generous.   

2.5 is an average coach.

[Peoriabird]

7 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

I had him initially at a 2.63, and I was like . . . no way.  That's way too high.  So I had to re-evaluate him on a couple and gave him a C instead of a B on Leadership and Motivation.

What about that offensive and Defensive philosophies.  Weren't they high as well?  Who gets the D or F if he doesn't?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

15 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

What about that offensive and Defensive philosophies.  Weren't they high as well?  Who gets the D or F if he doesn't?

No . . I gave him a D on Defensive Philosophies.  I almost pulled the trigger and gave him an F.

On offense, I'm giving him credit for Cam's offensive development since January.  Also, Trae has become a superstar under LP's watch.  And Collins, a guy who people thought couldn't shoot outside of 12 feet, has expanded his game out to the 3 point line.   The offense overall uses all 3 players, with Collins possibly needing more plays/touches.

Come to think of it, I think I gave him a B- at first for Offense, but I wanted to give solid letter grades so I could give him a proper GPA.  So I rounded up to a B.

[High5]

19 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Yeah we do.  We have a year and a half worth of viewing what he does. 

This would be like saying that we don't know Trae's strengths and weaknesses as a player after 1.5 years.

I would go to say that LP getting a 2.5 is . . . generous.   

2.5 is an average coach.

Not at all. A lot of what the coach does is behind the scenes. And for the stuff that's more quantifiable, you have to consider he's been dealt arguably the toughest hand of any coach in the last 2 seasons. For instance, we won't know how good his philosophies really are until he has a capable roster. And trying to grade stuff like his work ethic is just silly. But this is a silly topic anyway, so have at it. 

[Peoriabird]

7 hours ago, High5 said:

Not at all. A lot of what the coach does is behind the scenes. And for the stuff that's more quantifiable, you have to consider he's been dealt arguably the toughest hand of any coach in the last 2 seasons. For instance, we won't know how good his philosophies really are until he has a capable roster. And trying to grade stuff like his work ethic is just silly. But this is a silly topic anyway, so have at it. 

His roster 2 years ago had very capable defenders and the team still was last in point allowed.  He had plenty of vets on that team and still led the league in turnovers.  Many of these teams stats are specific to him.  Bud had a far worse team the year prior and wasn't last in those categories.

[High5]

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

His roster 2 years ago had very capable defenders and the team still was last in point allowed.  He had plenty of vets on that team and still led the league in turnovers.  Many of these teams stats are specific to him.  Bud had a far worse team the year prior and wasn't last in those categories.

I don't even know where to start with this post. You have a gift for misrepresenting everything. 

[kg01]

I give all of you (us?) a big fat F for responding to this dumbarse topic.

- NeoPeo

[Peoriabird]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I give all of you (us?) a big fat F for responding to this dumbarse topic.

- NeoPeo

What's so dumb about rating our coach's performance so far?

[kg01]

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

What's so dumb about rating our coach's performance so far?

It's dumb because you just want us to follow the Suns, Knicks, Kings model and fire our coach after a year+.

But, instead of just saying that, you wasted time crafting this doozy of a thread as if it's something you actually want to discuss.

Dude, look at the avater.  I'm in your mind ...... and I've always been there ....

 

[Peoriabird]

7 minutes ago, kg01 said:

It's dumb because you just want us to follow the Suns, Knicks, Kings model and fire our coach after a year+.

 

 

This thread isn't about firing a coach...Its about evaluating a coach just like fan do all of the time with players. I'm confused.

[kg01]

59 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

This thread isn't about firing a coach...Its about evaluating a coach just like fan do all of the time with players. I'm confused.

I'm not.

[macdaddy]

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

This thread isn't about firing a coach...Its about evaluating a coach just like fan do all of the time with players. I'm confused.

You create 50 criteria and the gave offensive and defensive philosophy a D and F-.   What's the point of even considering other criteria if those are true (which obviously they aren't and are just hyperbole)?    First grades you throw out are D and F-.  I'm pretty sure this is about firing a coach.