Clint Capela is an overrated defender period

[kelston827]

3 hours ago, AtLaS said:

Ehh, struggling to defend Giannis and Embiid doesn't make someone a bad defender.  He has had 2 series in a row with nightmare matchups.  Capela is a solid defender, but certainly not a lockdown stopper.  Regardless, there are very few players that can effectively guard those players. 

That being said I'm not convinced either that Capella our best option to be guarding Giannis.  But who else do we put on him?  We really don't have a better answer.  Collins is too small, and Hill has zero chance.  Hunter would probably have the best shot if healthy. 

I think we need to focus on the others, Giannis pretty consistently gets 30 regardless of matchup.  

 

He plays in the EC. Who did you think he was going to go up against? He’s either up tot the task or he’s not. And he’s not.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

21 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Clint is not that

 

Now you're just being silly.

Of course he's not a Defensive POY in the mold of Ben Wallace.  My point was that even Ben Wallace would have major trouble guarding guys like Embiid and Giannis, without help.  Capela should've made one of the All-Defensive teams though. 

 

Capela led the league in offensive, defensive, and total rebound % . . and was 5th in the league in blocks.

[AHF]

If the only center you will accept is one who can shut down the league’s MVP, then you better get used to not having a center at all.

[Peoriabird]

On 6/26/2021 at 6:54 PM, AHF said:

If the only center you will accept is one who can shut down the league’s MVP, then you better get used to not having a center at all.

Who said anything shutting down anyone? I was commenting on his footwork and defensive stance. Personally I think Okongwu is a better defender. He isn't the rebounder Capela is but his foot work and instincts on defense are already better

[TheNorthCydeRises]

27 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Who said anything shutting down anyone? I was commenting on his footwork and defensive stance. Personally I think okongwu is a better defenders. He isn't the rebounder Capela is but his foot work and instincts on defense are already better

 

I will agree that it appears that Okongwu may have better lateral footwork than Capela.  And he has good instincts around the basket.  Not better than Capela's, but good nonetheless. He's shown flashes of this during the playoffs.

At the end of the day though, the last part of defense is defensive rebounding.  The guys who normally are regarded as good to great defensive big men, are the leaders in that category, as well as blocks.  That's why Capela has the defensive reputation that he has.

Okongwu is another guy that I would put on the floor in a "big" lineup with Collins and Capela.  Even Nathan Knight, if need be.

I think both options may be better than Solo at times.  Especially if we're in a zone type of look.

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

At the end of the day though, the last part of defense is defensive rebounding. 

Dwight Howard is still a great defensive rebounder but sucks on defense unless you count flagrant fouls and wrestling moves as good defense.  

[bird_dirt]

Haters gonna hate

[AUhawksfan]

I’d like to see Okongwu get some more minutes defending Giannis. There’s never going to be a perfect option but I feel like he can disrupt him a bit. 

[Peoriabird]

8 minutes ago, AUhawksfan said:

I’d like to see Okongwu get some more minutes defending Giannis. There’s never going to be a perfect option but I feel like he can disrupt him a bit. 

Nate won't do it because he overrates Capela's ability to guard him just like he has been overrating Bogdanovic's contributions during the playoffs

[NBASupes]

15 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Size is not the key to stopping a limited offensive player like Giannis, technique is.  There should be anticipation with Giannis because he is so predictable.  Plus, when he receives the ball at the top of the key, he should be treated like an unskilled ball handler and bodied up to force him to get around you with his dribble... something I don't think he can do.  If he pulls up for a contested outside shot and hits it, Tip your hat and make him do it repeatedly.  Just don't let him stroll into the lane and hit finger rolls all game long.  If he gets you at a disadvantage at all then just foul him and make him beat you from the line.

Truth is, he's not the type of defender you want to use to stop Giannis. He's the type you use for Giannis on the help side. The defender you use to guard Giannis is Hunter.

[NBASupes]

12 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Yes. He was 4x Defensive Player of the Year.

But his strengths were rim protection and elite rebounding.

Sheed was who they used for the post matchups as he had the length, size, and strength. People need to acknowledge what Capela is. His post defense is generally good and his perimeter defense is good for a center but it's nowhere good enough to truly lockdown an Embiid or Giannis 

[turnermx]

Zero thread. Just picking at you Peo.  But if you judge anyone's defense on how they fare 1v1 against a player like Embiid or Giannis, you ain't going to have anybody to pick from. Takes a team effort on defense to stop either one of those guys.

[JayBirdHawk]

18 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

when he receives the ball at the top of the key, he should be treated like an unskilled ball handler and bodied up to force him to get around you with his dribble.

I agree with this premise, that would have been Hunter's role. Play him similar to how we did Randle then collapse the defense when he gets in the paint, force him to make decisions with the ball off the dribble in a tighter window.  

So who should guard Giannis? Because if we are crowding him.on the perimeter, we will need some rim protection and a secondary defense.

[Peoriabird]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I agree with this premise, that would have been Hunter's role. Play him similar to how we did Randle then collapse the defense when he gets in the paint, force him to make decisions with the ball off the dribble in a tighter window.  

So who should guard Giannis? Because if we are crowding him.on the perimeter, we will need some rim protection and a secondary defense.

Solo

[bird_dirt]

27 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Solo

Solo is an overrated defender period.

[MarylandHawk]

21 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

I know that I've already talked about Capela during the Philly series but his recent efforts have kinda confirmed what have felt about all along.  Capela is a pretty good if not elite rebounder and a pretty good help defender against smaller players but is terrible as a primary defender both in the post and on the perimeter.  Giannis is a pretty limited offensive player who excels at the rim.  He is a below average perimeter shooter and an average to below average ball handler and playmaker/passer but yet Capela can't anticipate nor stop the 1 move Giannis excels with which is the spin move into the paint.  Capela's foot work and defensive stance continues to be very poor and it appears as though there is no effort to work on stopping Giannis' signature 1 move in practice.  At this point, I'm ready to start Solo and put him on Giannis to pressure him as soon as he receives the ball rather than watch Capela continuously backing up as Giannis charges right at him.  Capela give up so much ground each time this happens that Giannis is at the rim by the time Capela offers any resistance.  Capela is not the cent of the future for this team.

He is not overrated. There are only three bigs in this league that he doesn’t have that much of an effect on. Giannis, Embiid, Jocic. All three are MVP caliber players. I don’t see how you can say he is overrated when he didn’t even make an all defensive team or an allstar selection.  He is still underrated in my opinion although he cannot stop two of the best players in the NBA. One other thing, the coach has enough confidence in Clint’s abilities to leave him on a island to defend those guys by himself. While the guys are getting their numbers, the rest of our team can focus on the other guys. Clint is taking one for the team. 

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, bird_dirt said:

Solo is an overrated defender period.

Yeah but Solo can get under Giannis' skin like he started to get under Embiid's skin by fouling him hard in the previous series.

[MaceCase]

18 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Now you're just being silly.

Of course he's not a Defensive POY in the mold of Ben Wallace.  My point was that even Ben Wallace would have major trouble guarding guys like Embiid and Giannis, without help.  Capela should've made one of the All-Defensive teams though. 

 

Capela led the league in offensive, defensive, and total rebound % . . and was 5th in the league in blocks.

Ben struggled with Shaq but when you had Sheed, Okur, and even Elden Campbell’s well seasoned ass also thrown at him, it tipped the scale in Detroit’s favor. 
 

Clint’s in a tough spot between having to take on the best players in the last 3 series, protect the paint, clean the glass, and operate as the primary screener/roll man on O.  All of that is further impacted by the lack of depth behind him caused by injuries and inexperience. Then Giannis’ spin move…that’s his counter.  He can straight line drive and score with ease on anyone so if you play him for the spin that leaves an opening on the straight line drive.  His game is simple but he’s called The Freak for a reason.

[Spud2nique]

26 minutes ago, MaceCase said:

Okur

I met Mehmet, say that 10 times fast!  

Nice dude. Super soft touch. My friend whose a lifelong Rockets fan hates his guts.

[MaceCase]

7 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I met Mehmet, say that 10 times fast!  

Nice dude. Super soft touch. My friend whose a lifelong Rockets fan hates his guts.

Memo The Turkish Delight is A OK in my book.