2023-24 NBA Regular Season: Notes/Tidbits/Updates etc.

[benhillboy]

6 hours ago, kg01 said:

This why I can never hate you, hillbilly.  There may be 3 folks here that get this reference. 

And you just casually slid that in like a bawse. 

Ok, now let's go back to fightin'.....  

I've relayed before that the guy scalabrine has said several times on nbaradio that there is no love lost between them.  As he put it, Brown seems to feel Tatum was "given" everything (attention, accolades, monay, etc) he had to work for. 

I don’t know why Jalen would feel as such but we ain’t in the locker room.  Tatum flashed as an elite role player as a rookie and worked pretty damn hard to get to where he is as a player from my vantage, same with Brown.  Jaylen’s new deal where he’s paid like an MVP candidate when he’s a 2-3 option should’ve put all that to rest.

[benhillboy]

4 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

 

 

Carlisle does have a face like he gambled away the last of his daughters college fund on hockey and it was the last straw before his wife filed for divorce.

Edited May 22 by benhillboy

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[kg01]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Lakers had a 2nd and 3rd teamer and sucked.  

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[benhillboy]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Game threshold and position notwithstanding I’m taking off LeBron, AD, Cupcake, Book, Kawhi, and Steph.

Replacing them with Mitchell (POTM with Garland out) Brown (made everyone forget about his outlandish new deal), Gobert (anchor of the eventual Finals champs), Maxey (kept Sixers afloat without reigning MVP), Kyrie (best two way season of his career)  and Chet (helped add 17 wins)

Edited May 23 by benhillboy

[Jdawgflow]

30 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

That is a terrible cop out excuse by Big Baby.

….. and yet he is not wrong.

[AHF]

10 hours ago, Jdawgflow said:

That is a terrible cop out excuse by Big Baby.

….. and yet he is not wrong.

Except I would say it is more the responsibility of the player’s union than management.  That is literally what the Union is there for.

[kg01]

12 hours ago, Jdawgflow said:

That is a terrible cop out excuse by Big Baby.

….. and yet he is not wrong.

I mean, was he gonna live a life of crime had he not won the DNA lottery and been an NBA-caliber player?

He had all the resources available to him to educate and prepare himself .... the way literally everyone else has to.

Could 'they' have done more to help?  Probably.  Do they bear blame for his situation?  Nah, sun.

(The "Nah, sun" is directed at him not you, jdf.) 

[Jdawgflow]

2 hours ago, AHF said:

Except I would say it is more the responsibility of the player’s union than management.  That is literally what the Union is there for.

 

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

I mean, was he gonna live a life of crime had he not won the DNA lottery and been an NBA-caliber player?

He had all the resources available to him to educate and prepare himself .... the way literally everyone else has to.

Could 'they' have done more to help?  Probably.  Do they bear blame for his situation?  Nah, sun.

(The "Nah, sun" is directed at him not you, jdf.) 

I agree with both of you that we all have to make our own choices.  And he definitely made poor ones.  And he has no one to blame but himself.  He needs to take accountability in order to truly make a positive change in his own life.  This is something I try to instill in my kids and when I am teaching other kids.  This matters in sports, work, and daily interactions.
 

The part that I feel he has right is the NBA and NBAPA do cater to the star players.

[kg01]

Eta. Ok, I responded before watching the video.  I (begrudgingly) watched but found that it drastically changes what I think.

Having seen his poingnet, heart-felt plea ... I must say ....  f*ck him.  F*ck that fake a**, contrition now that his a** is going to jail.  "I've gone through depression ... divorce... blah, blah, blah .."

Know who else goes through all those things?  Literally all humans.  But most humans don't have an association... that has help readily available to you at their fingertips.  And who constantly makes it known that they have help readily available to you.

They can't freaking babysit you.  You gotta be an adult enough to seek help.  Yeah they knew he was going through legal difficulties but, duh, they could have also been embroiled in it.  Sucks but he made the choice to defraud an institute that's basically connected to the NBPA.  Dafuq did he think they were gonna do?

Sorry for the rant.  I have empathy for him.  But miss me with all the victim-making of himself.  

And I do agree @Jdawgflow, the NBPA caters to stars.  But, considering there's only about 15-20 "stars", that's on the NBA players for not voting and steering the NBPA to cater to the many instead of the some.  Like, why would Chris Paul be in NBPA leadership when they know good and well he's only looking out for himself and other big name players? 

[Hawkmoor]

Kyrie had a very good interview after the game. He explained how he became the leader of the team and how they would have team meetings and he would help with the younger players.
 

He said being eliminated from being able to play in the playoffs last season was unacceptable so he took it upon himself to be the team leader to prevent it happening again this season.

[Jdawgflow]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

Eta. Ok, I responded before watching the video.  I (begrudgingly) watched but found that it drastically changes what I think.

Having seen his poingnet, heart-felt plea ... I must say ....  f*ck him.  F*ck that fake a**, contrition now that his a** is going to jail.  "I've gone through depression ... divorce... blah, blah, blah .."

Know who else goes through all those things?  Literally all humans.  But most humans don't have an association... that has help readily available to you at their fingertips.  And who constantly makes it known that they have help readily available to you.

They can't freaking babysit you.  You gotta be an adult enough to seek help.  Yeah they knew he was going through legal difficulties but, duh, they could have also been embroiled in it.  Sucks but he made the choice to defraud an institute that's basically connected to the NBPA.  Dafuq did he think they were gonna do?

Sorry for the rant.  I have empathy for him.  But miss me with all the victim-making of himself.  

And I do agree @Jdawgflow, the NBPA caters to stars.  But, considering there's only about 15-20 "stars", that's on the NBA players for not voting and steering the NBPA to cater to the many instead of the some.  Like, why would Chris Paul be in NBPA leadership when they know good and well he's only looking out for himself and other big name players? 

I wish you hadn’t held back your feelings on this KG.  I was hoping you would be a bit more forthright.  

He has no sympathy from me for his choices.  He is, and was, wrong for all the stupid and illegal stuff his saying and did.…..

except noting the NBA caters to stars.

broken clock and all that.  

[AHF]

1 hour ago, Jdawgflow said:

except noting the NBA caters to stars.

broken clock and all that.  

Yeah.  The stars are the face of the game.  They drive ratings.  They are the engines for championships.  Their pay is capped making them some of the best contracts in the game.  They have leverage in dealing with teams and are the primary ones who do what would otherwise be tampering with players.  Much of the game revolves around them and both the NBAPA and the owners put more focus on them than any other group of players.

The capped pay, however, is a big concession from the stars.  It drives pay for the "middle class" players in a big way and it does it at the expense of the stars (while not a hard cap the tax aprons function close enough to caps that I think you can view payrolls as something of a zero sum game where if you gave more money to the stars it would mean less money for the rest of the players and if you removed the cap pay for the biggest stars they would absolutely get more and in some cases dramatically more while the rest of the players in the league are either paid what the market bears for them or actually paid more than the market would command for some minimum salary players).

[kg01]

Cavaliers Just Blew out Bickerstaff.

If Atkinson doesn't get this job he may not ever get one. 

[theheroatl]

Cavs offseason looking like turmoil.. even more so than an average Hawks offseason and thats bad

[Jdawgflow]

18 minutes ago, AHF said:

Yeah.  The stars are the face of the game.  They drive ratings.  They are the engines for championships.  Their pay is capped making them some of the best contracts in the game.  They have leverage in dealing with teams and are the primary ones who do what would otherwise be tampering with players.  Much of the game revolves around them and both the NBAPA and the owners put more focus on them than any other group of players.

The capped pay, however, is a big concession from the stars.  It drives pay for the "middle class" players in a big way and it does it at the expense of the stars (while not a hard cap the tax aprons function close enough to caps that I think you can view payrolls as something of a zero sum game where if you gave more money to the stars it would mean less money for the rest of the players and if you removed the cap pay for the biggest stars they would absolutely get more and in some cases dramatically more while the rest of the players in the league are either paid what the market bears for them or actually paid more than the market would command for some minimum salary players).

This is an interesting take.  I am not strong enough in economics to gauge the worth of the 0.001% as compared to the 1% in regards to the elite in a field.

5 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Cavs offseason looking like turmoil.. even more so than an average Hawks offseason and thats bad

We Hawks fans can empathize.

[marco102]

21 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

I’ll add this:

I’m never doing a deal with the Heat or the Lakers if I’m Atlanta.

 

Throw the Spurs in there for now too.

Nah, give me Devin Vassell...

[kg01]

58 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Cavs offseason looking like turmoil.. even more so than an average Hawks offseason and thats bad

Yes, yes.  Give me moar.  I'm looking for some Mitchell extension talk stalls, a Garland trade request, an Allen v Mobley fistfight, etc.  Toss in an arrest and we're in business.  

[JayBirdHawk]

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