Zach Edey Conundrum - Could Edey be the next great Atlanta Hawk or is he the next Cam Reddish

[KB21]

Pelton is very much hit and miss with his formula.  His formula seems to favor bigs in general.  He had JJJ #1 in 2018, which was a massive hit for him considering that he didn't rank any of the international guys in that draft (no Luka).  He had DeAndre Ayton at #2 though, which is a massive miss.  Mo Bamba was #3.  Massive miss.  Marvin Bagley was #5.  Massive miss.  Johntay Porter was #6.  Massive miss.  

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

Pelton is very much hit and miss with his formula.  His formula seems to favor bigs in general.  He had JJJ #1 in 2018, which was a massive hit for him considering that he didn't rank any of the international guys in that draft (no Luka).  He had DeAndre Ayton at #2 though, which is a massive miss.  Mo Bamba was #3.  Massive miss.  Marvin Bagley was #5.  Massive miss.  Johntay Porter was #6.  Massive miss.  

It's pretty good. 

You are [misquoting the numbers]. Bagley is 41 

JJJ is 6th

Bamba was 16th

In general, even you and TheStepien believed Bagley was going to be Amare on offense. Even someone down on Bagley as a prospect like you was high on him offensively as was everyone else. 

Even his misses like Draymond and Whiteside eventually became hits in due time. 

Bamba miss is completely on Bamba. Everyone knew he had effort, motor, and work ethic issues and once he got his money, he literally stopped giving a f***. The talent and ability was undeniable but even Atlanta laughed at the idea of drafting him. Remember Koonin interview when they took Trae. He laughed at the idea of taking Bamba. He didn't want it. Reports were bad but people love what could be. 

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft2013/insider/story/_/page/PerDiem-130625/how-warp-projections-fared

 

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16235135/explaining-kevin-pelton-nba-draft-projection-system

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/MsunChqckw

 

 

[NBASupes]

@KB21, Luka had the highest WARP at 6.1

Trae was 2nd at 3.0. 

JJJ was 6th at 2.3

Edey would be higher than Trae by the WARP

Edited April 11 by NBASupes

[KB21]

Projecting Trae Young, Marvin Bagley and top prospects in 2018 NBA draft - Kevin Pelton - ESPN

1. Jaren Jackson Jr.

Michigan State
PF/C
Top 100: No. 4
Stats: No. 2

Consensus: 3.7 WARP | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 242

While Jackson isn't at the top of either my stats-only projections or the top 100 rankings, the combination of strong finishes in both categories gives him a narrow edge as the top prospect overall. Jackson has been efficient both inside (61 percent on 2-pointers) and outside (nearly 40 percent on 3-pointers) the arc and has the NCAA's second-best block percentage, according to Sports-Reference.com. Add in Jackson's youth -- he's more than a year younger than Deandre Ayton -- and he looks like an excellent NBA prospect.

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2. Deandre Ayton

Arizona
C
Top 100: No. 1
Stats: No. 5

Consensus: 3.7 WARP | Height: 7-1 | Weight: 250

As Givony and Schmitz detailed last month, Ayton's poor steal rate and relatively average block percentage limit his statistical projection. Yet Ayton has surged from 11th in the stats-only projections back then to fifth now because of his dominance as a scorer and rebounder since. Those skills give Ayton a high floor. His development as a defender will determine Ayton's upside.

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3. Mohamed Bamba

Texas
C
Top 100: No. 3
Stats: No. 3

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Consensus: 3.6 WARP | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 225

Bamba blocks shots nearly as well as Jackson and rebounds nearly as well as Ayton. As compared to them, Bamba's offensive projection is weaker because of his lower usage rate and average-ish translated efficiency. He's also the oldest of the group, turning 20 before the draft.

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4. Trae Young

Oklahoma
PG
Top 100: No. 8
Stats: No. 4

Consensus: 2.8 WARP | Height: 6-2 | Weight: 180

Young's statistical projection has dropped as he has struggled in conference play. Nonetheless, his stats-only projection is still ahead of Ayton because Young gets credit for creating such a large share of the Sooners' offense. His projected usage rate as a rookie (26.4 percent of his team's plays) would equal the highest in my projection database, a record currently held by Luke Harangody.

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5. Marvin Bagley III

Duke
PF/C
Top 100: No. 5
Stats: No. 10

Consensus: 2.6 WARP | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 234

Of the top five players in our draft rankings (which also include Doncic, not listed here), Bagley has the weakest statistical projection. He's particularly limited by his block percentage, which would be below-average for a power forward, let alone a center. Still, Bagley falls into the group of top 10 prospects with top-10 statistical projections that have typically produced the best NBA players.

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6. Jontay Porter

Missouri
C
Top 100: No. 36
Stats: No. 1

Consensus: 2.5 WARP | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 240

Because he has barely played due to injury, Michael Porter Jr. is not ranked in these projections. Instead, it's his younger brother who improbably has the best stats-only projection for any player. Playing primarily off the bench, Jontay Porter has shown a versatile skill set, making better than a 3-pointer per game at a 36 percent clip and handing out 3.6 assists per 40 minutes. What really drives his projection, however, is Porter's age: he won't turn 19 until after opening night of the 2018-19 season. Porter surely isn't the best prospect in the draft, and might not belong in the top 10, but given his combination of versatility and youth he should become a useful NBA contributor.

[KB21]

2018 NBA draft projections - Kevin Pelton on Luka Doncic, Marvin Bagley and Deandre Ayton - ESPN

This was the more up to date projection where he did rank Luka:

 

[NBASupes]

8 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Projecting Trae Young, Marvin Bagley and top prospects in 2018 NBA draft - Kevin Pelton - ESPN

1. Jaren Jackson Jr.

Michigan State
PF/C
Top 100: No. 4
Stats: No. 2

Consensus: 3.7 WARP | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 242

While Jackson isn't at the top of either my stats-only projections or the top 100 rankings, the combination of strong finishes in both categories gives him a narrow edge as the top prospect overall. Jackson has been efficient both inside (61 percent on 2-pointers) and outside (nearly 40 percent on 3-pointers) the arc and has the NCAA's second-best block percentage, according to Sports-Reference.com. Add in Jackson's youth -- he's more than a year younger than Deandre Ayton -- and he looks like an excellent NBA prospect.

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2. Deandre Ayton

Arizona
C
Top 100: No. 1
Stats: No. 5

Consensus: 3.7 WARP | Height: 7-1 | Weight: 250

As Givony and Schmitz detailed last month, Ayton's poor steal rate and relatively average block percentage limit his statistical projection. Yet Ayton has surged from 11th in the stats-only projections back then to fifth now because of his dominance as a scorer and rebounder since. Those skills give Ayton a high floor. His development as a defender will determine Ayton's upside.

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3. Mohamed Bamba

Texas
C
Top 100: No. 3
Stats: No. 3

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Consensus: 3.6 WARP | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 225

Bamba blocks shots nearly as well as Jackson and rebounds nearly as well as Ayton. As compared to them, Bamba's offensive projection is weaker because of his lower usage rate and average-ish translated efficiency. He's also the oldest of the group, turning 20 before the draft.

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4. Trae Young

Oklahoma
PG
Top 100: No. 8
Stats: No. 4

Consensus: 2.8 WARP | Height: 6-2 | Weight: 180

Young's statistical projection has dropped as he has struggled in conference play. Nonetheless, his stats-only projection is still ahead of Ayton because Young gets credit for creating such a large share of the Sooners' offense. His projected usage rate as a rookie (26.4 percent of his team's plays) would equal the highest in my projection database, a record currently held by Luke Harangody.

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5. Marvin Bagley III

Duke
PF/C
Top 100: No. 5
Stats: No. 10

Consensus: 2.6 WARP | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 234

Of the top five players in our draft rankings (which also include Doncic, not listed here), Bagley has the weakest statistical projection. He's particularly limited by his block percentage, which would be below-average for a power forward, let alone a center. Still, Bagley falls into the group of top 10 prospects with top-10 statistical projections that have typically produced the best NBA players.

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6. Jontay Porter

Missouri
C
Top 100: No. 36
Stats: No. 1

Consensus: 2.5 WARP | Height: 6-11 | Weight: 240

Because he has barely played due to injury, Michael Porter Jr. is not ranked in these projections. Instead, it's his younger brother who improbably has the best stats-only projection for any player. Playing primarily off the bench, Jontay Porter has shown a versatile skill set, making better than a 3-pointer per game at a 36 percent clip and handing out 3.6 assists per 40 minutes. What really drives his projection, however, is Porter's age: he won't turn 19 until after opening night of the 2018-19 season. Porter surely isn't the best prospect in the draft, and might not belong in the top 10, but given his combination of versatility and youth he should become a useful NBA contributor.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16235135/explaining-kevin-pelton-nba-draft-projection-system

 

Pelton: How my NBA draft projections work

 

 

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Senior Writer

Nov 12, 2020, 07:00 AM ET

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Three primary factors go into my projections for the NBA draft:

 

A player's projected performance as a rookie

His age

 

His rank in the latest top 100 from my ESPN colleagues Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz

 

All three of those factors have helped predict how well college and international players will perform in the NBA. Let's take a closer look at them.

 

 

Projected performance

For college and international players alike, my projections start with translating what players have done before with what they will do in the NBA for 14 core statistics: 2-point percentage; 3-point percentage; free throw percentage; offensive and defensive rebound percentage; assists; steals and fouls per 100 team plays; blocks per 100 2-point attempts; percentage of individual plays devoted to 2-point, 3-point and free throw attempts; turnovers; and usage rate.

 

Some stats tend to decline once players enter the league more than others. For example, free throw percentage rarely changes much, but players shoot much worse percentages from the field. For college players, this process also adjusts for strength of schedule to put players who faced different levels of competition on a level playing field.

 

Utilizing multiple seasons of data yields better projections than looking solely at the most recent season. In fact, for college players I've found that earlier seasons tend to project NBA performance better than more recent seasons because older prospects no longer have the same experience advantage in the NBA. So the player's most recent season is weighted two times, the season before that (if available) three times, and two seasons before that five times. The weights are opposite for international prospects, who haven't demonstrated the same pattern because they are playing against older opponents.

 

The last factor in the projections is regressing performance to positional averages for NBA rookies (for college prospects) and replacement-level performance (for international players). This helps account for outliers, particularly for stats that tend to fluctuate, such as 3-point percentage. As a sophomore at Arizona, Derrick Williams shot 56.8 percent on 74 3-point attempts. Williams has made 29.9 percent of his 3s during his NBA career.

 

It doesn't make sense to regress a point guard to the same assist rate or block rate as a center, so this is the one place where positions affect my projections. This tends to have more impact for players who saw limited action in college or overseas than experienced players. It also can be problematic for versatile players, such as Ben Simmons, whose stat lines don't look like any one particular position.

 

WARP projections

The statistics-only version of my projections estimates the wins above replacement player (WARP) that a prospect will average during his first five seasons in the league, adjusted to favor immediate projection by discounting performance in future years.

 

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To calculate this, I've used past players in my database -- which is largely complete back through the 2006 draft and includes a handful of players back through 2003 for whom per-play college stats are available -- to run a model projecting WARP based on the player's projected win percentage (the per-minute version of WARP, akin to PER) as a rookie and his age.

 

Because players tend to develop through around age 27, their age makes a large impact on their projections. All other things being equal, each additional year of age tends to reduce a player's projected NBA value by about 0.5 WARP per season.

 

Since 2018, the WARP projections have included a higher replacement level for centers and power forwards than perimeter players -- particularly wings. Note that this change has not been applied retroactively to past projections before 2018.

 

Consensus projections

Inspired by draft analyst Layne Vashro's Humble model (Vashro is now working for Kroenke Sports & Entertainment, the parent company of the Denver Nuggets), in 2015 I introduced consensus projections that also include the league's assessment of a prospect's talent. For past prospects, I measure this with where they were actually drafted. For current prospects, I estimate this using their rank in our top 100.

 

Using the actual draft slot plays a factor in subjective scouting analysis and improves projections, so I tend to use it as my primary ranking of players, while also showing the stats-only projections when possible.

 

Past projections

To give an idea of how my projections have worked -- and when they haven't -- here are the rankings for the 2006 through 2019 drafts, based on my current projection model:

 

2019 Draft Projections

PLAYER PICK WARP RK HUMBLE RK

Zion Williamson 1 4.7 1 5.2 1

Ja Morant 2 2.5 5 3.3 2

Chuma Okeke 16 2.6 2 2.3 3

RJ Barrett 3 1.2 25 2.2 4

Sekou Doumbouya 15 2.2 6 2.1 5

Darius Garland 5 1.3 21 2.0 6

Jarrett Culver 6 1.3 20 1.9 7

Coby White 7 1.3 19 1.8 8

Cam Reddish 10 1.6 14 1.8 9

De'Andre Hunter 4 0.5 41 1.6 10

John Konchar UD 2.6 3 1.6 11

Matisse Thybulle 20 1.7 11 1.5 12

Shamorie Ponds UD 2.6 4 1.5 13

Nickeil Alexander-Walker 17 1.4 17 1.4 14

Jaxson Hayes 8 0.9 33 1.4 15

Brandon Clarke 21 1.5 15 1.4 16

Alen Smailagic 39 2.0 8 1.4 17

Bol Bol 44 2.0 7 1.3 18

Dylan Windler 26 1.6 13 1.3 19

Tyler Herro 13 0.9 29 1.2 20

Darius Bazley 23 1.3 18 1.2 21

Kevin Porter Jr. 30 1.5 16 1.1 22

Ty Jerome 24 1.3 24 1.1 23

Talen Horton-Tucker 46 1.8 9 1.1 24

Romeo Langford 14 0.7 34 1.1 25

Cameron Johnson 11 0.6 40 1.1 26

Chris Clemons UD 1.7 10 1.0 27

Zach Norvell UD 1.7 12 0.9 28

Grant Williams 22 0.9 31 0.9 29

Nassir Little 25 0.9 32 0.8 30

Goga Bitadze 18 0.5 42 0.7 31

Tremont Waters 51 1.3 23 0.7 32

Jordan Poole 28 0.7 35 0.7 33

Luka Samanic 19 0.4 48 0.7 34

Josh Reaves UD 1.3 22 0.6 35

DaQuan Jeffries UD 1.0 26 0.4 36

Dean Wade UD 1.0 27 0.4 37

Jared Harper UD 0.9 28 0.4 38

Rui Hachimura 9 -0.6 74 0.4 39

Terence Davis UD 0.9 30 0.4 40

Carsen Edwards 33 0.4 46 0.4 41

P.J. Washington 12 -0.5 72 0.3 42

Kyle Guy 55 0.6 37 0.2 43

Juwan Morgan UD 0.7 36 0.2 44

Garrison Mathews UD 0.6 38 0.2 45

Caleb Martin UD 0.6 39 0.1 46

Miye Oni 58 0.5 43 0.1 47

Keldon Johnson 28 -0.1 58 0.1 48

Bruno Fernando 34 0.0 56 0.1 49

Quinndary Weatherspoon 49 0.3 49 0.1 50

Louis King UD 0.5 44 0.1 51

Jontay Porter UD 0.4 45 0.0 52

Luguentz Dort UD 0.4 47 0.0 53

Justin Wright-Foreman 53 0.2 53 0.0 54

Ky Bowman UD 0.3 50 0.0 55

Justin Robinson UD 0.3 51 -0.1 56

Brian Bowen UD 0.3 52 -0.1 57

Jeremiah Martin UD 0.2 54 -0.1 58

Cody Martin 36 -0.2 65 -0.1 59

Jaylen Nowell 43 -0.1 59 -0.2 60

Isaiah Roby 45 -0.1 60 -0.2 61

Rayjon Tucker UD 0.1 55 -0.2 62

Jalen McDaniels 52 -0.2 63 -0.3 63

Moses Brown UD -0.1 57 -0.3 64

Nicolas Claxton 31 -0.6 78 -0.3 65

Ignas Brazdeikis 47 -0.3 69 -0.3 66

Max Strus UD -0.1 61 -0.3 67

Charlie Brown UD -0.2 62 -0.4 68

Justin James 40 -0.5 73 -0.4 69

Devontae Cacok UD -0.2 64 -0.4 70

Terance Mann 48 -0.4 71 -0.4 71

Naz Reid UD -0.2 66 -0.4 72

Jalen Lecque UD -0.3 67 -0.4 73

Donta Hall UD -0.3 68 -0.4 74

Mfiondu Kabengele 27 -0.9 82 -0.4 75

Admiral Schofield 42 -0.6 77 -0.5 76

Daniel Gafford 38 -0.7 79 -0.5 77

Adam Mokoka UD -0.4 70 -0.5 78

KZ Okpala 32 -0.9 83 -0.6 79

Amir Coffey UD -0.6 75 -0.7 80

Oshae Brissett UD -0.6 76 -0.7 81

Jordan Bone 57 -0.8 80 -0.8 82

Matt Mooney UD -0.8 81 -0.8 83

Vic Law UD -0.9 84 -0.9 84

Jaylen Hoard 56 -1.0 85 -0.9 85

Eric Paschall 41 -1.4 89 -1.0 86

Kenny Wooten UD -1.2 86 -1.1 87

Tariq Owens UD -1.4 87 -1.2 88

Robert Franks UD -1.4 88 -1.2 89

Marial Shayok 54 -1.5 90 -1.3 90

Tacko Fall UD -1.9 91 -1.6 91

Zylan Cheatham UD -2.0 92 -1.6 92

Marques Bolden UD -2.1 93 -1.7 93

Jarrell Brantley 50 -2.2 94 -1.7 94

Dewan Hernandez 59 -2.4 95 -1.9 95

Chris Silva UD -2.4 96 -1.9 96

Kyle Alexander UD -2.4 97 -1.9 97

Tyler Cook UD -2.6 98 -2.0 98

2018 Draft Projections

PLAYER PICK WARP RK HUMBLE RK

Luka Doncic 3 6.1 1 5.6 1

Deandre Ayton 1 1.8 12 3.2 2

Trae Young 5 3.0 2 3.2 3

Jaren Jackson Jr. 4 2.3 6 2.8 4

Mikal Bridges 10 2.9 4 2.7 5

Michael Porter 14 2.5 5 2.3 6

Dzanan Musa 29 2.9 3 2.2 7

Mohamed Bamba 6 1.7 16 2.1 8

Marvin Bagley 2 0.7 41 2.0 9

Miles Bridges 12 1.9 11 1.9 10

Kevin Huerter 19 2.1 8 1.8 11

Jacob Evans 28 2.1 9 1.6 12

Mitchell Robinson 36 2.3 7 1.6 13

Landry Shamet 26 1.7 15 1.4 14

Zhaire Smith 16 1.3 21 1.4 15

De'Anthony Melton 46 2.0 10 1.3 16

Collin Sexton 8 0.7 38 1.3 17

Gary Trent Jr. 37 1.8 13 1.3 18

Wendell Carter 7 0.5 43 1.2 19

Donte DiVincenzo 17 1.1 26 1.2 20

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 11 0.7 36 1.2 21

Elie Okobo 31 1.5 19 1.2 22

Grayson Allen 21 1.2 23 1.2 23

Josh Okogie 20 1.2 24 1.1 24

Troy Brown 15 0.9 30 1.1 25

Kevin Knox 9 0.5 44 1.1 26

Jevon Carter 32 1.3 22 1.0 27

Lonnie Walker 18 0.8 31 1.0 28

Kenrich Williams UD 1.8 14 1.0 29

Robert Williams 27 1.1 27 0.9 30

Kevin Hervey 57 1.6 17 0.9 31

Jaylen Adams UD 1.5 18 0.8 32

Bonzie Colson UD 1.5 20 0.8 33

Omari Spellman 30 0.8 32 0.7 34

Vince Edwards 52 1.2 25 0.6 35

Svi Mykhailiuk 47 1.1 28 0.6 36

Devonte' Graham 34 0.7 37 0.6 37

Khyri Thomas 38 0.8 34 0.5 38

Shake Milton 54 1.0 29 0.5 39

Jalen Brunson 33 0.6 42 0.5 40

Keita Bates-Diop 48 0.7 39 0.3 41

Rawle Alkins UD 0.8 33 0.3 42

Daryl Macon UD 0.7 35 0.3 43

Gary Clark UD 0.7 40 0.2 44

Justin Jackson 43 0.3 48 0.1 45

Jerome Robinson 13 -0.7 68 0.1 46

Moritz Wagner 25 -0.3 59 0.0 47

Tyler Davis UD 0.4 45 0.0 48

Melvin Frazier 35 0.0 53 0.0 49

Chandler Hutchison 22 -0.4 64 0.0 50

Duncan Robinson UD 0.3 46 0.0 51

J.P. Macura UD 0.3 47 -0.1 52

Chris Chiozza UD 0.3 49 -0.1 53

Theo Pinson UD 0.3 50 -0.1 54

Trevon Duval UD 0.2 51 -0.1 55

Alize Johnson 50 0.1 52 -0.1 56

Jarred Vanderbilt 41 -0.2 57 -0.1 57

Aaron Holiday 23 -0.6 65 -0.1 58

Donte Grantham UD -0.1 54 -0.3 59

Ray Spalding 56 -0.1 56 -0.3 60

Brandon Goodwin UD -0.1 55 -0.3 61

Tony Carr 51 -0.3 60 -0.4 62

Brandon Sampson UD -0.2 58 -0.4 63

Marcus Derrickson UD -0.3 61 -0.5 64

B.J. Johnson UD -0.3 62 -0.5 65

Allonzo Trier UD -0.4 63 -0.5 66

Bruce Brown 42 -0.7 67 -0.5 67

Joe Chealey UD -0.6 66 -0.7 68

Yante Maten UD -0.8 69 -0.8 69

Hamidou Diallo 45 -1.0 70 -0.8 70

Devon Hall 53 -1.1 71 -1.0 71

Deng Adel UD -1.1 72 -1.0 72

Yuta Watanabe UD -1.2 73 -1.1 73

Chimezie Metu 49 -1.5 75 -1.2 74

Thomas Welsh 58 -1.4 74 -1.2 75

Cameron Reynolds UD -1.6 76 -1.4 76

Drew Eubanks UD -1.7 77 -1.4 77

Johnathan Williams UD -1.7 78 -1.4 78

Kostas Antetokounmpo 60 -2.0 79 -1.6 79

Jared Terrell UD -2.0 80 -1.6 80

George King 59 -2.0 81 -1.7 81

Angel Delgado UD -2.3 82 -1.9 82

Zach Lofton UD -3.1 83 -2.4 83

 

Edited April 11 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

7 minutes ago, KB21 said:

2018 NBA draft projections - Kevin Pelton on Luka Doncic, Marvin Bagley and Deandre Ayton - ESPN

This was the more up to date projection where he did rank Luka:

 

These numbers don't match his recent posting. 

[AHF]

Looks like Pelton updated his model so his original predictions are what KB posted and his updated projection method applied to past drafts is what Supes posted.  The older model had the order that KB lists while the newer model had what Supes listed.  Not sure he hasn't updated it again since then.

[KB21]

Just saw a stat that showed Edey had 0 transition field goal attempts all season.  

[shakes]

6 hours ago, KB21 said:

  Johntay Porter was #6.  Massive miss.  

heck, even Johntay Porter bet the over on that.

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

Just saw a stat that showed Edey had 0 transition field goal attempts all season.  

Wouldn't that play we used for Gobert transition speed to Edey's count as a transition bucket? Wait, nevermind, he got fouled on that play.

[Final_quest]

Just hoping we get to 100 pages on this topic by the draft.  #EdeySquawk

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[RedDawg#8]

Remember when everyone was gushing over Jarrett Culver.

Good times

[NBASupes]

6 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Remember when everyone was gushing over Jarrett Culver.

Good times

I hated Culver. He was the golden boy here though, KB swore by Culver being a star. I wrote on RealGM that he was an obvious bust. Same for Johnny Davis. I never liked players who's NBA comp was 20 pounds bigger than they were. Hard to play bully ball as a 6'6 guard at 195 in the NBA. At that size, you gotta be a dynamic, generational athlete. 

Size matters. The NBA is a game of measurements (inches) as well as a game of BBIQ and angles. 

[bird_dirt]

26 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Size matters. The NBA is a game of measurements (inches) as well as a game of BBIQ and angles. 

[NBASupes]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39928471/2024-nba-draft-the-no-1-pick-unpacking-clingan-vs-edey

 

[NBASupes]

 

 

[RedDawg#8]

8 hours ago, NBASupes said:

I hated Culver. He was the golden boy here though, KB swore by Culver being a star. I wrote on RealGM that he was an obvious bust. Same for Johnny Davis. I never liked players who's NBA comp was 20 pounds bigger than they were. Hard to play bully ball as a 6'6 guard at 195 in the NBA. At that size, you gotta be a dynamic, generational athlete. 

Size matters. The NBA is a game of measurements (inches) as well as a game of BBIQ and angles. 

I can respect that. I pay very close attention to that as well which is why Steph was always a bad Trae comp. (2) different builds that allows one to play the game a different way.