Straight out the frying pan into the fire!

[Joker]

I lost one, gained a new one and they are still the same for the most part. It is hell to get information from Atlanta. It took too damn long to be honest.

Here it is:

Hello fellas, I have talked to my sources and yes, I have been gathering information for weeks as I told you I would do. I will talk about others teams as well that I have information on.

Houston and Orlando have been the most active teams. Calling everyone in the league tiring to get three team deals but no one really values either teams pieces.

Atlanta, Portland, and Houston have been the most called teams.

Orlando and New Orleans have put it out there is trading either CP3 or Dwight Howard. Orlando wants to ride or die with him and N.O. thinks they have a chance at signing Dwight Howard as a FA. They felt like they had a chance at Dwight than getting what they wanted to CP3. This was all Demps. He felt that nothing in terms of trade was going to get him what he wanted.

Boston has been in talks with trading everyone if the price is right but right now, the price is too high or not good enough for others. I do not see Boston making any major moves.

Minnesota and Cleveland right want to trade their top five picks for an All Star caliber player. Most teams want a ton. I am hearing, GS wants the top 5 plus an unprotected 2013 1st and a key young asset. I cannot get any filler on what Atlanta wants for Smith and Philly wants a lot for Iggy too. I heard they wanted the Clips to trade Kaman and Minny 2012 1st for Iggy.

Joe Johnson and Josh Smith are on the trading block. Joe is on the block for expiring, no matter whom and Josh is on the block for key young assets and a ton of them as well. He told me Grant in interested in Smith and Atlanta interested in the top five pick but it is going to take more assets than that to land Smith.

There is a deal on the table for Joe Johnson that teams agreed but Atlanta has not. The deal is:

Atl: Rip Hamilton

Det: Carlos Boozer

Chi: Joe Johnson

The issue is Atlanta wants an exp not a two-year deal where they have to pay a ton for the buyout. They said no, from what I hear but Atlanta might agree if they can get a 2011 lottery pick from Detroit or a 2012 1st unprotected from Detroit. We will see if anything happens. Detroit really wants Boozer and Chicago really wants Johnson but Atlanta wants no part of Rip and buying out his contract, which is not cheap.

A ton of teams has called for Monta Ellis. He told me that no one has given GS what they want and they are not going to make concessions. Looking like Ellis will stay with the Warriors.

Iggy might be traded to the Clippers. The Clippers really want Iggy and they fill he is their final piece to the puzzle. They just have to part with Minny 2012 1st and they have not been willing to do so yet.

New Orleans is seriously trying to move Emeka Okafor for an expiring contract. No luck so far from what I hear.

Atlanta is not trading Al Horford or Jeff Teague. They are untouchable per say. Hinrich name has received many calls but nothing of value to the Hawks been offered.

Charlotte has been trying to move Stephen Jackson for an expiring. So far, the Bobcats have been in talks with teams, no timetable or estimate that it will happen.

Atlanta has serious interest in Jonas Valanciunas and Enes Kanter. Valanciunas reminds some scouts of a young Sabonis and Kanter reminds some people of a much more talented Memo Okur. This is just what I am hearing for now.

New Orleans has been trying to move into the 1st round but the NBA ownership is making it hard for them to do so.

Toronto has made calls but no interest around the league for Andrea B and what the Raptors want in return.

New Jersey is not trading Deron Williams. I know, this is not a surprise but just letting you know. Teams change their mind too much; for the longest New Orleans was, open to dealing CP3 now they are not. Orlando was taking offer now they stopped. Welcome to the new NBA.

Chicago really wants Joe Johnson, no secret and they want to get rid of Boozer. Detroit really wants Boozer. They have to give Atlanta what they want or it is a no go.

Milwaukee is open to trading everyone but Bogut. Jennings to even less of an extent. The rest is on the block but no real interest from others.

Houston has been in talks with everyone, both ways and it seems like they can’t really get what they want for their pieces.

Portland has been called a lot during and after the playoffs. However, with no GM, it is hard to gauge what they will do from my main guy.

[Supporter]

Joe to Chicago, wowzers, couldn't say that I didn't see it coming, he is the perfect fit for them. But won't trading away a piece like Joe mean that we are lottery bound? I think the franchise is ready for another rebuilding process and Horf is going to have to suffer through it because no way are the owners giving him up.

[sturt]

Who was that guy posting a month ago posing the question "will this be the drabbest draft ever" or something to that effect?

Oh.

Never mind.

:doh:

Hey, even I make mistakes.

:D

[Joker]

Joe to Chicago, wowzers, couldn't say that I didn't see it coming, he is the perfect fit for them. But won't trading away a piece like Joe mean that we are lottery bound? I think the franchise is ready for another rebuilding process and Horf is going to have to suffer through it because no way are the owners giving him up.

I would say they are trying to create cap room for 2012 which was what I heard their plan was before the playoffs started but NO was still taking offers for CP3 so I just hoped for the best but I guess it is 2012 FA for Atlanta in their minds. The Joe potential blockbuster is is all on Det trading the pick or next yr pick (unprotected).

[sturt]

Joe to Chicago, wowzers, couldn't say that I didn't see it coming, he is the perfect fit for them. But won't trading away a piece like Joe mean that we are lottery bound? I think the franchise is ready for another rebuilding process and Horf is going to have to suffer through it because no way are the owners giving him up.

Nothing Sund has said has led me in any way to believe that they're tearing down the roster.

[macdaddy]

Geez what a mess. I've been on board with trading Joe but was his season so bad that they now want to unload him for nothing in return? He wasn't that much different from the guy they gave a max contract to save the injury. What massive incompetence.

So we trade our all star SG for nothing and then what? Sign Jamal?

So we're building around Teague and Horford (and I guess accidentally Marvin). Well I"ll admit that team will contend for the championship....of the NCAA. MIght as well take Rip. At least he'll take an open shot.

[Supporter]

Nothing Sund has said has led me in any way to believe that they're tearing down the roster.

But haven't we already decided that Sund is more of the Managements mascot, and isn't really running the show?

[mrhonline]

Hmm...Joe Johnson -for- Richard Hamilton. Am I allowed to snicker?

If the Hawks do "dump" Joe and still want to trade Josh, then they need to find a way to move Marvin in that second trade for a player whose contract is a year shorter.

[Diesel]

Joe to Chicago, wowzers, couldn't say that I didn't see it coming, he is the perfect fit for them. But won't trading away a piece like Joe mean that we are lottery bound? I think the franchise is ready for another rebuilding process and Horf is going to have to suffer through it because no way are the owners giving him up.

Trading Joe to Chicago and chicago losing Boozer means that Chicago has locked up the East for the next 5 yrs.

But the great news for the Hawks is that the Owners will have more money in their pockets... and will maintain a seat at the draft lottery!

[sturt]

But haven't we already decided that Sund is more of the Managements mascot, and isn't really running the show?

"We?"

No.

It's a popular notion with some number, but it's certainly not a given, and I'm not even sure it's a majority view... closer to an urban myth that a few fans like to parrot from time to time out of angst toward ASG... that is, if you ask me (... and you did).

Seriously... having an adult conversation about it... it's just a difficult premise to legitimize, regardless, w/o the use of hidden cams and mics... but all the more so, when all Sund does essentially is congruent with his history with previous franchises--ie, following a core-group, long-term philosophy. It should surprise no one that ASG wanted to hire someone who conformed to that since they clearly bought into it under the previous GM.

Edited June 21, 2011 by sturt

[Frenzy]

Now THIS is interesting. Joe fits so perfectly with Chicago though smh, that would be a dangerous team.

[GameTime]

Wowzers nbasup. Good thread for a boring offseason so far. If we get a Detroit's first I don't see it being as bad as y'all think. We weren't gonna win a championship with Joe as the superstar, and without Craw probably wouldn't make it out of the first this year. RIP is great off the ball and fits Drew's motion offense to a T. He is a decent stopgap and with that pick it gives the leisure to pick a future SG (Alec Burks a young Eddie Jones/Brandon Roy type) on a much cheaper contract than Joe's. Doubt it happens though I want to be surprised.

[wfhawkfan]

Joe to Chicago = ::sadRestoftheNBA::

Why is Al so untouchable (pause)? It makes no since to me.

Edited June 21, 2011 by wfhawkfan

[capstone21]

If we want to give Joe away then why even sign him last year.

Losing Joe for nothing means this team is Lottery bound again and this fustrates me to no end.

New Owners please!! Ones that want to see the team succeed

[Joker]

Trading Joe to Chicago and chicago losing Boozer means that Chicago has locked up the East for the next 5 yrs.

But the great news for the Hawks is that the Owners will have more money in their pockets... and will maintain a seat at the draft lottery!

This might be a deal that might happen after the draft if at all if Detroit gives Atlanta what they want. This gives Detroit have a legit chance at building a team with Boozer, Monroe, Daye, and whoever they draft. This sets Chicago up to win the East and championships. Atlanta clearly becomes a late lotto team after these trades. I think their focus is getting assets and getting Deron, CP3, or Dwight in FA if this actually happens. The Josh Smith talks been seeming real but I though we had a legit shot at an elite talent but oh well.

[Joker]

Joe to Chicago = ::sadRestoftheNBA::

Why is Al so untouchable (pause)? It makes no since to me.

He's a very good all around player who has a couple of elite traits. We just don't have the player who can utilize Al the way we should. Makes a ton of sense for Al to be our franchise player. If no one is trading a superstar to us, Joe could be a nuisance in the future. Not saying he wil but I could see the train of thought. Atlanta specifically wants certain things so I wouldn't be too worried. If we can get a lotto pick in next years draft. I would be happy. Having Harrison Barnes, Quincy Miller, Perry Jones, or Austin Rivers> 30 yr old Joe Johnson for us.

Edited June 21, 2011 by nbasuperstar40

[DrReality]

Sund said we would make a move by "addition by subtraction." Don't really know what that means.

I'm all for trading JJ as long as we get the piece(s)we need in return.

[ryandauwalker]

If during the last offseason, we were offered Joe for 1 year, 16.3 million dollar offer, #8 pick in the 2011 draft, plus Rip Hamilton, how would you feel?

Consider that the alternative would be a 6 yr/$121 million deal.

I would love for this to happen because I think down the road, this Joe Johnson deal would blow up in our face. Rip isn't great, but he's a stop gap. Kemba with #8 can make Rip a reserve.

[sturt]

Sund said we would make a move by "addition by subtraction." Don't really know what that means.

When was that?

[frosgrim]

If during the last offseason, we were offered Joe for 1 year, 16.3 million dollar offer, #8 pick in the 2011 draft, plus Rip Hamilton, how would you feel?

Consider that the alternative would be a 6 yr/$121 million deal.

I would love for this to happen because I think down the road, this Joe Johnson deal would blow up in our face. Rip isn't great, but he's a stop gap. Kemba with #8 can make Rip a reserve.

Kemba really isn't a starting 5 guy. He's more of a sixth man. I'm a UConn grad, so I don't take this as me hating on the guy, I really like his college game. The problem is his size and high volume shooting is more suited for a sixth man role in the NBA.