I like Milsap but without a defensive anchor this team has no future

[MrMeltdown]

This draft runs pretty deep. Even if we get a pick around 11-15 we could end up with possibly McGary (PF/C) , G. Harris (SG), Seldon (SG), Robinson III (SG/SF).

I like the depth of this draft.

I agree and I have already stated that a dream draft for me right now would be Parker and McGary which I think would make us a contender if we somehow could trade Milsap for Asik or find a way to get Gortat in free agency, but a pick at 11-15 alone in this draft is not going to make us a contender. On the other hand, land Asik or Gortat plus Parker and we are a contender.

[coachx]

I agree and I have already stated that a dream draft for me right now would be Parker and McGary which I think would make us a contender if we somehow could trade Milsap for Asik or find a way to get Gortat in free agency, but a pick at 11-15 alone in this draft is not going to make us a contender. On the other hand, land Asik or Gortat plus Parker and we are a contender.

and our 2nd 1st round pick appears out of thin air ?

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

Exactly...exactly...exactly my friend!Everything you said makes good sense including the okc/HOU trade.Hmmm...you made me think of a trade that probably most won't like but is a thought....how does Teague/milsap for cousins/filler/filler sound?Then again that is a fix issues yet create different issues type of deal but hey DMC,horford, cousins is nice front court!.....not sure if you want to lose Teague and milsap for such a deal. Just a thought.

I think DC is one of those guys that is unattainable right now. It'd take trading Lebron to get DC out of Sac-town right now especially after they just gave him that max extension. Plus, the Kings have Vasquez and Thomas as their points and McLemore has been doing well so far. No need for Teague. They have the start of building the next emerging team. Really, I feel Teague and Horf should be treated as sacred cows in Atlanta. Get us a two-way center that'll take care of the paint (M. Gasol, Noah), a solid all-round SF (think Wilson Chandler) and a SG that can consistently score (the next Reggie Miller would be sweet) and we'll have a great team that'll contend for years.C - Gasol/Noah-likePF - HorfSF - W. ChandlerSG - Reggie-likePG - TeagueG - LouSG/F - KorverS/SF - DMCis a really good first eight. That is a team that would run and hustle and beat teams right out of the Philips. 50 win team and a ECF candidate for years.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[coachx]

LOL, that'll be the Celtics draft. Don't they get the Nets' pick this year (whatever pick we swap out of anyway)? They'll have 2 1sts and you just know one of them will be high enough to land Wiggins or Parker.

Not sure I want to gift Houston a contender just to land Asik though. Guess I'd be a pretty spiteful GM.

Yes, whichever pick the Nets end up with goes to Boston.

The Nets have no pick this year.

[macdaddy]

Yes, whichever pick the Nets end up with goes to Boston.

The Nets have no pick this year.

Being cautiously optimistic. Its still hard to imagine the nets not making the playoffs with all the crappy east teams.

[TheFuzz]

I respectfully disagree. It's being hyped certainly but it's for good reason. In addition to a number of potential program (team) changers, as coachx said, the draft is deep with potential stars and starters. That hasn't been true about any draft for many years.

Memories are short. 2012 was a phenomenal draft and so was 2008.

This draft is good no doubt, though I do think it has better depth than "sure-fire" top-end stars (Wiggins, Parker, and ... ? Randle and Embiid I guess?). But really there has been plenty of talent in every draft for the past few years.

I promise you, the talent difference between Exum getting drafted at 4 and, say, Hezonja or Vonleh at 15 is minimal. Wiggins and Parker will (probably) be studs, but 3-18 provides similar value.

[coachx]

Memories are short. 2012 was a phenomenal draft and so was 2008.

This draft is good no doubt, though I do think it has better depth than "sure-fire" top-end stars (Wiggins, Parker, and ... ? Randle and Embiid I guess?). But really there has been plenty of talent in every draft for the past few years.

I promise you, the talent difference between Exum getting drafted at 4 and, say, Hezonja or Vonleh at 15 is minimal. Wiggins and Parker will (probably) be studs, but 3-18 provides similar value.

Gordon is a stud. He should go #4. The drop off starts after Gordon, to me. There are 4 superior "diaper dandies" (Wiggins, Randle, Parker, Gordon) that would have all been the #1 pick in last year's last year.........then a lot of really good talent after them. I do think there is another tier with Smart, Embiid, and maybe Exum. Then picks 8 - 18 will be a crap shoot alot of really good players.

[Jody23]

Memories are short. 2012 was a phenomenal draft and so was 2008. This draft is good no doubt, though I do think it has better depth than "sure-fire" top-end stars (Wiggins, Parker, and ... ? Randle and Embiid I guess?). But really there has been plenty of talent in every draft for the past few years. I promise you, the talent difference between Exum getting drafted at 4 and, say, Hezonja or Vonleh at 15 is minimal. Wiggins and Parker will (probably) be studs, but 3-18 provides similar value.

Based on what are you making the claim that picks 3-18 will be of similar value?

[Diesel]

This comment right here "Asik just doesn't have an offensive game and Horf & Teague isn't enough offense to make up for that."Is why trading for a so called true center like asik should not be made...like it or not you can't just look at the defense side of this you must look at the offense side as well!This is one of the reasons I think bud and ferry are really watching Teague and horford closely especially on the offensive end. I mean if we had Westbrook, Durant, and milsap oh man complete different story because there we have 2 guys that can carry the offensive load no problem so why not trade sap had we had players like Westbrook and KD but since we don't you have to look at the whole picture not just one side.Milsap in some ways actually can be the best offensive player we have. Here's what JTB wants to happen.....ferry keep this team and add a big...period. Get gortat or hawes and being milsap off the bench along with Lou.This comment right here "Asik just doesn't have an offensive game and Horf & Teague isn't enough offense to make up for that."Is why trading for a so called true center like asik should not be made...like it or not you can't just look at the defense side of this you must look at the offense side as well!This is one of the reasons I think bud and ferry are really watching Teague and horford closely especially on the offensive end. I mean if we had Westbrook, Durant, and milsap oh man complete different story because there we have 2 guys that can carry the offensive load no problem so why not trade sap had we had players like Westbrook and KD but since we don't you have to look at the whole picture not just one side.Milsap in some ways actually can be the best offensive player we have. Here's what JTB wants to happen.....ferry keep this team and add a big...period. Get gortat or hawes and being milsap off the bench along with Lou.

You obviously would never have traded for Dikembe??

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

You obviously would never have traded for Dikembe??

Who is Steve Smith on this roster right now? We need consistent scoring more than we need 1D players. Plus, the league was completely different back 18 years ago when that trade happened... Centers shoot nowadays.

[Diesel]

Who is Steve Smith on this roster right now? We need consistent scoring more than we need 1D players. Plus, the league was completely different back 18 years ago when that trade happened... Centers shoot nowadays.

First off...

How long do we need to go before we understand that the title is true. So now people are saying.. we need a scorer and let's just keep Sap? Why? So that we can go without a good rebounder/defender for longer?? This season may not be our time.. but with a true C, we can move into the future realize that our time is closer.

So, Dec 15. We trade Sap for Asik/1st....

We suck offensively. We finish 29-53. We go to the lottery. We get said diaper dandy... pick your diaper dandy...

Next year, we have: Asik, Horf, Diaper Dandy, possible 2nd Diaper Dandy Teague.

This is the first step towards being a championship team. Why? Because we're built right.

This is the same problem we have over the last 7 years, people were afraid to trade JSmith. So instead, we kept a logjam that was entertaining but at the end of the day, couldn't win playoff games. The best shot we had was against Chicago and they beat us by having Boozer and Asik and the other PF make mence meat out of Horf and Smovoe.

When will we learn??

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[JTB]

First off...

How long do we need to go before we understand that the title is true. So now people are saying.. we need a scorer and let's just keep Sap? Why? So that we can go without a good rebounder/defender for longer?? This season may not be our time.. but with a true C, we can move into the future realize that our time is closer.

So, Dec 15. We trade Sap for Asik/1st....

We suck offensively. We finish 29-53. We go to the lottery. We get said diaper dandy... pick your diaper dandy...

Next year, we have: Asik, Horf, Diaper Dandy, possible 2nd Diaper Dandy Teague.

This is the first step towards being a championship team. Why? Because we're built right.

This is the same problem we have over the last 7 years, people were afraid to trade JSmith. So instead, we kept a logjam that was entertaining but at the end of the day, couldn't win playoff games. The best shot we had was against Chicago and they beat us by having Boozer and Asik and the other PF make mence meat out of Horf and Smovoe.

When will we learn??

True nothing you are saying is false but I think the scary thing about "your way" of doing things is that we would have to be sure to get a lottery pick!….Now "your way" is cool and all and its a way to build the team but dammit man we are depending on rookies big time "your way".

What's the problem with keeping sap and adding a center next year who can start?….There are plenty of "true centers" in next years free agency why not sign a true center to start by horford and bring sap and lou off the bench and still have a big time possibility of getting a pick between 15-18 giving us a valuable rookie cause this draft is deep and with the pick grab the top wing player at SG or SF.

Im not trying to hold on to all our current players but Asik isn't the answer I rather have gortat for 5 more years but I will let Ferry handle this (not like I have a choice).

I just think a better hawks team in the future would be:

pg-teague

sg-draftpick

sf-DMC

pf-horford

c-gortat

(dennis, lou, and sap off the bench)

[TheFuzz]

Gordon is a stud. He should go #4. The drop off starts after Gordon, to me. There are 4 superior "diaper dandies" (Wiggins, Randle, Parker, Gordon) that would have all been the #1 pick in last year's last year.........then a lot of really good talent after them. I do think there is another tier with Smart, Embiid, and maybe Exum. Then picks 8 - 18 will be a crap shoot alot of really good players.

Not as high on Gordon (or Randle, really), but otherwise agreed.

[TheFuzz]

Based on what are you making the claim that picks 3-18 will be of similar value?

The value won't be the same, but the talent will be, if that makes sense. Value meaning trade value pretty much.

I'm claiming this based on the games I've watched these players in, the same way all the scouts are doing it. As far as I can tell, yes, Wiggins and Parker are legit and this draft is a deep one. HOWEVER, in my opinion, the amount of top-end talent in this draft has been vastly overstated in a media hype-train. Meaning I think picks 4ish-20ish will all be similarly talented.

Basically, it appears that somehow the Wiggins and Parker hype has rubbed off on other players. I've seriously seen many people (some here) say the top 7 or so prospects are all superstar level prospects and would go #1 in other drafts. Players like Exum are getting propped up as can't miss prospects while Schröder (a similar prospect) goes 17th in a "weak" draft. Embiid is a good C prospect, but he's not much (if any) better than Steven Adams and Zeller and even Noel and Len in the previous "weak" draft. Marcus Smart was projected in the 2-6 range last year. He's projected in the 4-7 range this year. Not a huge jump.

So since we didn't gut the team to get a shot at a top 3 pick, I feel Ferry can get a quality player with all-star potential somewhere in the 7-15 range, probably even later when scrubs like Cauley-Stein are still projected to go top 10. It might take some moving up in the draft, but not much.

[Diesel]

True nothing you are saying is false but I think the scary thing about "your way" of doing things is that we would have to be sure to get a lottery pick!….Now "your way" is cool and all and its a way to build the team but dammit man we are depending on rookies big time "your way".

What's the problem with keeping sap and adding a center next year who can start?….There are plenty of "true centers" in next years free agency why not sign a true center to start by horford and bring sap and lou off the bench and still have a big time possibility of getting a pick between 15-18 giving us a valuable rookie cause this draft is deep and with the pick grab the top wing player at SG or SF.

Im not trying to hold on to all our current players but Asik isn't the answer I rather have gortat for 5 more years but I will let Ferry handle this (not like I have a choice).

I just think a better hawks team in the future would be:

pg-teague

sg-draftpick

sf-DMC

pf-horford

c-gortat

(dennis, lou, and sap off the bench)

Keeping sap:

1. Keeps us at Mediocrity... out of the lottery.

2. He's not signed long enough to build around...

3. Really puts the pressure on Horf to pack up.

IF Sap were on a 4 yr contract, maybe I keep sap and wait. However, because he is a 2 year guy, there's no reason to wait. Don't be mistaken.. This is a rebuild. We don't have enough nontradable talent to reload like the Lakers and SPurs do. IF you follow my plan.. yes it will be ugly. But in the end.. we might come out of it better than Kansas City.

[supermariowest]

Keeping sap:

1. Keeps us at Mediocrity... out of the lottery.

2. He's not signed long enough to build around...

3. Really puts the pressure on Horf to pack up.

IF Sap were on a 4 yr contract, maybe I keep sap and wait. However, because he is a 2 year guy, there's no reason to wait. Don't be mistaken.. This is a rebuild. We don't have enough nontradable talent to reload like the Lakers and SPurs do. IF you follow my plan.. yes it will be ugly. But in the end.. we might come out of it better than Kansas City.

Only way Millsap might get traded is if we fall out of contention next year. Otherwise, it's not happening. Ferry contacted Millsap the minute free agency began -- he's staying here.

[GameTime]

It amazes me how much we overvalue Asik/Gortat. These are not game changing players. Houston can't wait to get rid of Asik, even calling him a cancer.

Keeping sap:

1. Keeps us at Mediocrity... out of the lottery.

2. He's not signed long enough to build around...

3. Really puts the pressure on Horf to pack up.

IF Sap were on a 4 yr contract, maybe I keep sap and wait. However, because he is a 2 year guy, there's no reason to wait. Don't be mistaken.. This is a rebuild. We don't have enough nontradable talent to reload like the Lakers and SPurs do. IF you follow my plan.. yes it will be ugly. But in the end.. we might come out of it better than Kansas City.

1. Houston is not trading Asik/1st for Millsap. They want most likely Millsap/1st for Asik. They value him like the elite center that he is not.

2. Millsap guards PF's better than Horford. Millsap has a better offense game than Horford. Horford can offer us a greater return. So there is our dilemma.

3. Unless we can get a elite center to support Horford, a defensive specialist that doesn't block shots is not going to cut Horford's lack of creating his own shot.

[MrMeltdown]

and our 2nd 1st round pick appears out of thin air ?

and our 2nd 1st round pick appears out of thin air ?

Never said or even insinuated that we had a 2nd first rd pick. I said that was my dream draft of getting Parker and McGary.

[NBASupes]

Asik ain't worth a 2014 1st himself much less with Milsap who he isn't worth either.

[Guest]

Keeping sap: 1. Keeps us at Mediocrity... out of the lottery.2. He's not signed long enough to build around...3. Really puts the pressure on Horf to pack up. IF Sap were on a 4 yr contract, maybe I keep sap and wait. However, because he is a 2 year guy, there's no reason to wait. Don't be mistaken.. This is a rebuild. We don't have enough nontradable talent to reload like the Lakers and SPurs do. IF you follow my plan.. yes it will be ugly. But in the end.. we might come out of it better than Kansas City.

1.Houston is not giving a 1st round pick WITH Asik, they'll be looking for one back.2.Who's talking about building around Sap? You do know we can resign him after these 2 years for say maybe another 2 years at a lower salary (he will be 30 yrs) - he will be good off the bench . you also seem to ignore the fact that Asik's contracts expires the same time as.....you guessed it....Sap.3.Pressure? What pressure?I'll say it again - we need more size.Unless like you say we are getting a 1st with Asik there is no reason to do the trade at this point.I just don't see us increasing our wins exponentially with Asik and going any further in the playoffs than with Sap.At this point I prefer to add to what we have than just trading to trade for a big.