Merged: Greg Monroe

[NBASupes]

The only thing he has on Sap is age and his ability to play center. He's not good defensively either.

No Monroe is not as good as Sap. He has limited range and bad man defender and average post defender. He plays good team defense when he had Maxiell but with Dre, he was a bad all around defender. Monroe is a much better post scorer than Sap, passes much better than Sap and even better than Horf, and he a high BBIQ with size and can play center. 

 

Offensively, Monroe and Horf would be very good together like Smoove and Horf on defense. Defensively, they might be average to above average. I seen Bud get decent results out of Sap/Horf defensively as a combo so I have reason to believe in Horf/Monroe. 

[DawnOfThemBirds]

No Monroe is not as good as Sap. He has limited range and bad man defender and average post defender. He plays good team defense when he had Maxiell but with Dre, he was a bad all around defender. Monroe is a much better post scorer than Sap, passes much better than Sap and even better than Horf, and he a high BBIQ with size and can play center. 

 

Offensively, Monroe and Horf would be very good together like Smoove and Horf on defense. Defensively, they might be average to above average. I seen Bud get decent results out of Sap/Horf defensively as a combo so I have reason to believe in Horf/Monroe. 

 

 

By him being only 24, do you think that Monroe still has upside in terms of him possibly turning into a good defender under Bud?

 

Maybe a change of coaching, scenery, playing more 5 than 4 is what he needs?

 

Also, do you think that him potentially playing with Horford benefits Monroe more than him playing with Drummond from a style/schematic fit?

[DawnOfThemBirds]

lol. I'm tired.

 

I've been up all night.

 

 

Its all good man, just messing with ya.

 

 

It has actually happened to me a few times on the Falcons board. lol

[NBASupes]

By him being only 24, do you think that Monroe still has upside in terms of him possibly turning into a good defender under Bud?

 

Maybe a change of coaching, scenery, playing more 5 than 4 is what he needs?

 

Also, do you think that him potentially playing with Horford benefits Monroe more than him playing with Drummond from a style/schematic fit?

Hell yeah, both Horf and Sap take the same real estate and both Dre and Monroe take the same real estate. Part of the reason Detroit was so bad was they had terrible fits and poor spacing all over the floor. With Sap, Dre might become a beast as spacing will improve. You trade Smoove and improve spacing even more. 

 

For Horf and Monroe. They don't take the same real estate, the passing is as crisp as it was with Smoove and Horf, and they both move well and screens would work as well as they do in San Antonio which is great for cutters and PnR handlers specialists. 

 

Horf and Monroe work more on offense and defense more than Sap and Horf. Heck, Smoove and Horf work together better than Sap and Horf. The thing was the offense couldn't work because of Smoove in general. That won't be the case with Horf and Monroe. Now Horf and Monroe isn't no NBA Finals type of frontline but it is one of the best in the NBA like the Smoove and Horf frontline. 

 

Of course I didn't mention that Horf plays PF. That might not change much on offense depending on the PG but defensively, you will see the difference. 

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[capstone21]

He is not even close to being worth the max

[coachx]

The only thing he has on Sap is age and his ability to play center. He's not good defensively either.

and those 2 very important characteristics..........not mention the best offensive post game the Hawks would have since Reef.

[Admin]

He is not even close to being worth the max

 

Max for him is about 15 million.  Centers who can score are at a premium so I'd say that if these wings are worth 12 million then he's worth 15. 

[capstone21]

Our pf will have to make up for Monroe on defense...that just doesn't excite me at all about Monroe on our team.

[coachx]

He is not even close to being worth the max

What is his max ?

 

I think 5 years and $90 mill is the max that  Detroit  can offer ( same that Kyle Irving got) but I think the max other teams can offer is a 4 year deal.........Perhaps around $72 mill ?

 

Help @hawksfanatic.

[Admin]

Our pf will have to make up for Monroe on defense...that just doesn't excite me at all about Monroe on our team.

 

But Monroe makes all of our shooters better as he's a very good passer. And he'd give us our best post player in a very long time. 

[coachx]

Max for him is about 15 million.  Centers who can score are at a premium so I'd say that if these wings are worth 12 million then he's worth 15. 

Agree.

 

A 4 year $60 mill deal would be great in my eyes to lock him down for the prime of his career. For some reason I'm thinking the max may be a little higher now for 1st time FAs / RFAs with at least 4 years in the league.

[capstone21]

But Monroe makes all of our shooters better as he's a very good passer. And he'd give us our best post player in a very long time. 

That is true and a good point.  I just want a center who can play a little d.  I always read that he is more natural power forward and that he is an absolutely horrendous defender.

[coachx]

That is true and a good point.  I just want a center who can play a little d.  I always read that he is more natural power forward and that he is an absolutely horrendous defender.

I read that when he was 19 and as skinny as a bean pole.

 

Now that he is 260 lbs all I hear is how Monroe and Drummond can't play together b/c they are bother centers.

[Admin]

Agree.

 

A 4 year $60 mill deal would be great in my eyes to lock him down for the prime of his career. For some reason I'm thinking the max may be a little higher now for 1st time FAs / RFAs with at least 4 years in the league.

 

Yeah that would be but he's gonna get more than that with raises. I'm not sure what the raises are for a 4 year deal (maybe 2.5%?) but I know he can get 25% of the cap in salary due to his years in the league.

 

From Fanatic

 

 

 

"Maximum" Contracts

The idea of a maximum contract is a bit of a misnomer. This is not one number for the entire NBA, it is a player specific number defined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). The maximum starting salary for an individual player is based on either a player's experience or their previous contract. This value is the greater of:

• 105% of a player's previous salary
• 25%, 30%, or 35% of the Salary Cap depending on years of experience (0 to 6, 7 to 9, and 10+) in the league

[capstone21]

I read that when he was 19 and as skinny as a bean pole.

 

Now that he is 260 lbs all I hear is how Monroe and Drummond can't play together b/c they are bother centers.

Too bad we couldn't get our hands on Drummond.  Man he is awesome.  

[Admin]

Honestly the little I've paid attention to him on the defensive end, he's looked like a spectator to me. But I haven't spent too much time focusing on him for that. 

[yungsta]

The pistons arent going to let greg monroe walk for nothing, they are going to match every offer even if its for the max. We are going to have to put together a trade package that is more attractive than what Portland, Orlando, Cleveland? are offering.

[coachx]

The pistons arent going to let greg monroe walk for nothing, they are going to match every offer even if its for the max. We are going to have to put together a trade package that is more attractive than what Portland, Orlando, Cleveland? are offering.

 

The pistons arent going to let greg monroe walk for nothing, they are going to match every offer even if its for the max. We are going to have to put together a trade package that is more attractive than what Portland, Orlando, Cleveland? are offering.

That is what I thought too but now I think we have a shot.

 

They have a PF (Smoove)  playing SF who is best at scoring in the paint.

They have a C (Monroe) playing PF who is best at scoring in the paint.

They have a C (Drumond) playing C who is also best at scoring in the paint.

 

Safe to say the lane is clogged at all times and they are not getting the most out of their 3 front court players due to a redundancy in skills...........not to mention the problems it causes for the guards and coaching staff.

 

Dumars drafted good talent in Drummond and Monroe..........the chemistry just doesn't mesh. 

[Admin]

Zach Lowe analyzes Monroe's defense... and it's just as I recall and it's not good.

 

 

http://grantland.com/features/josh-smith-future-detroit-pistons/

Monroe is a very good offensive player, but he’s a glaring liability on defense in a league getting smaller and quicker. He’s a turnstile trying to contain the pick-and-roll out on the floor — a mess of bad footwork, poor timing, lazy reaches, and bad choices. When Detroit has him hang back at the foul line, ball handlers can zip around him with an easy crossover or launch wide-open jumpers as Monroe, petrified at giving up a rim run, retreats a step farther than most bigs would dare — often with his arms down. Pistons fans complained, with some justification, about Lawrence Frank’s reluctance to play Monroe and Drummond together for much of last season, but Monroe’s total inability to guard stretchier power forwards factored into that choice — just as it should factor into Detroit’s evaluation of things now.
 

When the Pistons asked Monroe to attack the ball higher on the floor, the mess was almost worse. Point guards can juke Monroe with laughable ease by faking toward a screener, watching Monroe lurch in that direction, and then crossing over the other way and into an unpatrolled lane. Monroe is often late in jumping out above a screen, meaning his momentum is going too hard the wrong way (toward half court) as the opposing point guard revs up to turn the corner. And when Detroit has asked him to hedge sideways, as in the still below, Monroe often arrives too late to cut off the ball handler.



His off-ball defense is similarly unintuitive. Monroe wants to help and has a rudimentary sense of where he should be as the chess pieces move around the floor, but he’s unsure of himself and prone to fatal hesitations and bouts of confusion. He has struggled to develop any chemistry with his big-man partners, so that a lot of Detroit possessions end with late help rotations or both bigs chasing one opposing big man — each under the impression the other would be elsewhere on the floor. Watching film of Detroit’s defense basically amounts to sitting through an hours-long reel of dunks, shrugged shoulders, and inattentive help; only eight teams allowed more shots at the rim last season, and only three allowed opponents to shoot a higher percentage than the ghastly 61.1 percent Detroit allowed.
 

To use one example of a simple play with which Detroit and Monroe had depressingly chronic issues: Monroe in the below photo (standing at the right edge of the paint) is only just realizing Nicolas Batum, having caught the ball after flying around a Joel Freeland screen and drawing Freeland’s man onto him, is about to hit Freeland for an easy dunk.

Most of Monroe’s issues are common among young big men. Drummond shares some of the same poor habits. But Monroe has three years under his belt, he’s up for a big-money extension, he’s shown very little (if any) improvement as a defender in the NBA, and he lacks Drummond’s motor or athleticism.