Premium Member Diesel Posted July 24, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 8 hours ago, hazer said: None are All-Stars, Bembry and Moose aren't starters, but if it's a "full tank" you ship all those guys out. You just don't hold onto an 18/6+ 23 year old first year starting PG, one of the best playoff rookie SFs, and one of the best shooting bigs in the NBA if you're in "full tank" mode. Why ship out guys who you know can't win?? Moose and Bembry are taking up space.. litterally. Prince and Collins have potential but are they going to flourish in Bud's system with no vet help playing against Vet teams... Doubtful. Schlenk built this team to lose competitively. The operative word there is LOSE. You actually act as if Bembry and Moose are difference makers?? That's laughable. I hope that you are around near the end of the season when we're a 17 or 18 win team trying to break 20 wins before the end of the season. By the way, I think we're about a 23 win team as constructed today. I recognize a full tank when I see one. I just hope that by next April, Hawksquawk doesn't have to send out a search team to find Hazer. That would be sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Diesel said: Why ship out guys who you know can't win?? Moose and Bembry are taking up space.. litterally. Prince and Collins have potential but are they going to flourish in Bud's system with no vet help playing against Vet teams... Doubtful. Schlenk built this team to lose competitively. The operative word there is LOSE. You actually act as if Bembry and Moose are difference makers?? That's laughable. I hope that you are around near the end of the season when we're a 17 or 18 win team trying to break 20 wins before the end of the season. By the way, I think we're about a 23 win team as constructed today. I recognize a full tank when I see one. I just hope that by next April, Hawksquawk doesn't have to send out a search team to find Hazer. That would be sad. I've been here for a decade and am always around. I don't disappear for long stretches of time like some ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Diesel said: As I have said before... First year starting means absolutely Nothing when he has SPLIT time with the Starting PG for the past three years... It's just an excuse that you use to try to validate his inefficient play. Why I say Mediocre.. According to Hollinger... it's 23 out of the top 50 PGs. Being that there are only 30 teams... this suggest less than Average. According to Bleacher Report.... 17 out of 30. By the end of the season, Bleacher Report saw Dennis as 24 out of 30... Now... we just got rid of Millsap... it's all on Dennis... He's MEDIOCRE.. not just by my accounting but by most accounts.. Except the homers who believe that he's just as good as Kyrie. Mediocre indeed. Again, 23 years old: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2017/04/26/dennis-Schröder-pistol-pete-atlanta-hawks-washington-wizards/100959506/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Diesel said: First year starting means absolutely Nothing when he has SPLIT time with the starting PG for the past three years...Except the homers who believe that he's just as good as Kyrie. Hahaaa, a backup splitting time with a starter, what a new concept. Wait, that's the ENTIRE concept of a backup... I challenge you to find where I ever said Dennis was as good as Kyrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lburner30342 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 On 7/22/2017 at 10:38 PM, Peoriabird said: Bud didn't want Howard..why is this so hard to understand? bud was the one that signed howard.... the new GM didn't want howard get it right. then you got people co-signing when bud hasn't said a word since we hired the new gm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 24, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, lburner30342 said: bud was the one that signed howard.... the new GM didn't want howard get it right. then you got people co-signing when bud hasn't said a word since we hired the new gm He wasn't playing him in the playoffs which led to Howard complaining at the end of the season...Did you miss all of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 15 hours ago, hazer said: 1st year starting PG, Prince was top performing rookie in '17 playoffs putting up 11+/5+ (which ranks among some of the best rookie playoff performances in history), and Moose is one of the best shooting bigs in the NBA...OK. Best rookie playoff performances in history? I think if take Magic Johnson's rookie year playoff performance as the highwater mark, I bet there are a fair number of rookie performances that fall in between! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Packfill said: Best rookie playoff performances in history? I think if take Magic Johnson's rookie year playoff performance as the highwater mark, I bet there are a fair number of rookie performances that fall in between! I actually said "which ranks among some of the best rookie playoff performances in history". And if you were watching the playoffs, you would've seen them flash the graphic on the screen that Prince's performance was indeed among some of the best in history for a rookie. I can't recall or find the exact stat, but they were pointing out that it was rare air and historic. Something along the lines of being only 1 of 4 rookies to ever to put up the numbers he did in 4 consecutive playoff games. I'll keep digging for the the exact accolade, but yes, AMONG the best rookie playoff performances in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 4 hours ago, lburner30342 said: bud was the one that signed howard.... the new GM didn't want howard get it right. then you got people co-signing when bud hasn't said a word since we hired the new gm It might have changed by the end of the season. When Dwight left he said: "Now I can get back to playing the kind of ball that I'm used to playing" or something to that effect. He thinks his only role should be to score and to rebound. He doesn't even block shots anywhere near as good as he used to. He doesn't want to play the pick n roll and he doesn't want to sit screens. He wants to sit in the paint and be lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 20 hours ago, Diesel said: One Mediocre 2nd year PG and 4 bench players. .. OK. Stop disrespecting Baze. He's the best player we have. Bembry would be lucky to get out of the DL, The idea that Baze is our best player is laughable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 24, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 8 hours ago, hazer said: I've been here for a decade and am always around. I don't disappear for long stretches of time like some ;) Let's see... A decade... that's about how long our playoffs streak has been. Excuse me if I don't recognize the strength of your fan tenacity.. because honestly.. if it's only been a decade, it hasn't been tested. While you question my tenacity, I'll just say... AccessAtlanta... and we'll close shop there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 24, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said: The idea that Baze is our best player is laughable. I keep hearing these guys saying that we have Prince, Collins, Bembry, and Dennis going forward.. Check the board. Nobody mentions Baze. However, Baze is the Vet here. Baze is the only one that has started in more than 1 playoff series. I just found it disrespectful that all these mentions of these other guys are going out but if you look at the ATL Hawks twitter page it's not collins, bembry, or Dennis that is being looked at as the face... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, Hotlanta1981 said: The idea that Baze is our best player is laughable. When your mind is made up, your mind is made up and absolutely nothing can change it, even when I've specifically said I think PG is an intellectual position and you are not the best you are going to be at a young age (we often see career years from PGs at 25+, hmmm, wonder why, PG isn't just a showcase your skills position but you also have to learn). The only thing is, Dennis is international and he has a skillset that suggests he won't have a long peak (best attribute=quickness)...I think I agree with RedDawg#8 (just disagree on the shooting which he already talked about) but the peak will probably be quick, like 2-3 years quick. As for what I've done, I might have matched Millsap, but that's it...and I don't think Millsap makes this more than a #7-8 seed. Hardaway Jr is a future mixtape star, not NBA star and I won't get into what y'all already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Bazemore is the guy that social media loves because of #bazegaze, his story, and how personable he is, not because of his talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 24, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lurker said: Bazemore is the guy that social media loves because of #bazegaze, his story, and how personable he is, not because of his talent. So.. bazegaze = $70 Million. Quote While other teams were hunting big fish like Kevin Durant, the Houston Rockets' No. 1 target was the Hawks shooting guard/small forward Kent Bazemore. The team went all in on the defensive specialist, including bringing Hakeem Olajuwon and Cycle Drexler on the trip to recruit Bazemore. Houston also offered top monetary value contract. But in the end, Bazemore decided to return to the Hawks with newly acquired Dwight Howard in tow. Bazemore, 27, went undrafted out of Old Dominion but worked his way to being a fixture with the Hawks. During the 2015-16 season, he averaged 11.6 points, 5.1 rebounds, 2.3 assists, and 1.3 steals per game in 27.8 minutes. Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying that Bazemore is worth the money. What I'm saying is that the money shouldn't make Bazemore worthless to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Yes. He literally turned the bazegaze and his persona into 70 million. He will be better now that the floor is more open but he is not worth 70 million even today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted July 24, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, Lurker said: Yes. He literally turned the bazegaze and his persona into 70 million. He will be better now that the floor is more open but he is not worth 70 million even today. No... 2 GMs offered him 70 Million dollars and it wasn't about the Bazegaze. It was a about being a 3 and D guy. In his contract year, he was hitting 44% from the field and ~36% from three. He got about 1.3 steals per game and his defense looked good. not great but good. The only place where Baze fell off this year was FG% and 3Pt%. Otherwise, he falls within the same range as he did the year before. Yes, the hope would be that he improved... but he didn't. PG changed... no more Horf making passes. They were probably watching this footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, Diesel said: No... 2 GMs offered him 70 Million dollars and it wasn't about the Bazegaze. It was a about being a 3 and D guy. In his contract year, he was hitting 44% from the field and ~36% from three. He got about 1.3 steals per game and his defense looked good. not great but good. The only place where Baze fell off this year was FG% and 3Pt%. Otherwise, he falls within the same range as he did the year before. Yes, the hope would be that he improved... but he didn't. PG changed... no more Horf making passes. They were probably watching this footage. He will be better when he plays without the guy I won't speak of (and even if Teague was here he wouldn't have been good).... floor spacing is the only reason why he's played well...but no...he's not 70 million good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaceCase Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 The two teams that competed with the Hawks for Baze were Houston (D'Antoni) and Brooklyn (Atkinson) so I'd say his impressionable persona also helped in those situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Bazemore also had a knee injury and was better after he took a few days off early in the season: 43.4% FG/37.3% 3PT/67.7% FT (ROS stats after that early two day inactive period) Not much worse than 2015-2016 at all...especially considering here's how Bazemore's stats look like after his hot start in 15/16... Last Half of the Season: 41.9% FG/30.5% 3PT/77% FT Things that make you go HMMMMM? So Teague actually WASN'T helping good ole' Baze as much, HUH? #everyonehasstupidagendas A 43-45% FG, 36-38% 3PT, mid 70s FT player is probably what Baze is...and is that worth 70 million? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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