Series: How Good Could John Collins Be?

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[Peoriabird]

12 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Again...I don't get the John Hate on this MB...This franchise hasn't seen many 20/10 guys in its history.  To me, he is definitely a building block but what do I know?

[hawkman]

Collins has been an absolute monster the last 10 games or so. For all the talk about packaging him in a deal for KAT, he's practically giving us what KAT would have at a fraction of the price. Sometimes we critique these guys as if they are finished products but It looks like 20ppg and 10rpg may actually be John's floor. What's so frustrating about that is the "Big 3" has looked really good together lately. Makes me wonder what this season could have been without the suspensions, injuries, and bad signings. 

[bleachkit]

38 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Again...I don't get the John Hate on this MB...This franchise hasn't seen many 20/10 guys in its history.  To me, he is definitely a building block but what do I know?

According to them he's "soft". I guess they want a Bill Lambeer type.

[Peoriabird]

11 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

According to them he's "soft".

What does that mean?

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

12 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

According to them he's "soft". I guess they want a Bill Lambeer type.

 

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

What does that mean?

No one said that he is soft... just that he gets beaten up and push around due to his slender frame.

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

 

No one said that he is soft... just that he gets beaten up and push around due to his slender frame.

So he isn't a center!  Duhhh!  Get an enforcer to play along side of him.  Isn't that the simple solution?

[Buzzard]

The grass is always greener on the other side and some people will never be satisfied. Collins is a valid 2nd option. He and Trae have a solid connection that very few duo's have and if not for the suspension, he would probably be our 2nd all star.

Period end of story.

[Atlantaholic]

24 minutes ago, hawkman said:

Collins has been an absolute monster the last 10 games or so. For all the talk about packaging him in a deal for KAT, he's practically giving us what KAT would have at a fraction of the price. Sometimes we critique these guys as if they are finished products but It looks like 20ppg and 10rpg may actually be John's floor. What's so frustrating about that is the "Big 3" has looked really good together lately. Makes me wonder what this season could have been without the suspensions, injuries, and bad signings. 

Washington who has 19 wins is three games out of the eigth seed. Maybe the season isn't over just yet. 

[Peoriabird]

Posters want to pretend that Millsap never got his azz handed to him while guarding a non all star like Makieff Morris.  Well that happened plenty of times and Millsap wasn't even the offensive player John is right now when he was with the Hawks.

[JayBirdHawk]

21 minutes ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

 

No one said that he is soft... just that he gets beaten up and push around due to his slender frame.

I'm sure someone called him soft in the Knicks game thread.

Besides, John still hasn't gotten his man strength yet. He's still growing into his body.

[Gray Mule]

Randle, doing his King James impersonation, tried, and, for the most part, successfully made all the Hawks look kinda week.  I don't know if anyone else noticed.  

Dead man walking helped and, Capela, when he gets to play, will shore up our weakest spot.

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

So he isn't a center!  Duhhh!  Get an enforcer to play along side of him.  Isn't that the simple solution?

...we said those exact words about Horford for years.  We signed Milsap to be the "bruiser" as he went on to shoot a career-high in threes. Point is playing style and strategy has a lot more to do with it than just personnel. Collins's game is rebounds and attacking the basket, so he's gonna take a beating.

Schlenk traded for Capela and Ded, so that should limit the abuse that Collins takes, but the man will have to deal with Randle-types at PF and needs to beef up or have a short career.

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I'm sure someone called him soft in the Knicks game thread.

Besides, John still hasn't gotten his man strength yet. He's still growing into his body.

My brother is built like Collins and weighs the same as he did when he graduated high school... 12 years ago. Some people have high metabolisms and are built to be lean. No matter how hard my bro tries to gain weight, he loses it just as quickly.

[JayBirdHawk]

46 minutes ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

...we said those exact words about Horford for years.  We signed Milsap to be the "bruiser" as he went on to shoot a career-high in threes. Point is playing style and strategy has a lot more to do with it than just personnel. Collins's game is rebounds and attacking the basket, so he's gonna take a beating.

Schlenk traded for Capela and Ded, so that should limit the abuse that Collins takes, but the man will have to deal with Randle-types at PF and needs to beef up or have a short career.

My brother is built like Collins and weighs the same as he did when he graduated high school... 12 years ago. Some people have high metabolisms and are built to be lean. No matter how hard my bro tries to gain weight, he loses it just as quickly.

There's a difference between weight and strength.

[macdaddy]

I will say Collins looks a little skinnier than at the start of the season.  I don't know if it's related to his supplements or not.  All i do know is he's absolutely ballin out there and should keep doing whatever he's doing now.  

[Thomas]

12 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I will say Collins looks a little skinnier than at the start of the season.  I don't know if it's related to his supplements or not.  All i do know is he's absolutely ballin out there and should keep doing whatever he's doing now.  

Thought JC looked skinner to start this season than he did the end of last season really. Was surprised then and of course even more surprised a couple of weeks later.

[Dejay]

I really don't know, folks. It takes a set of brass ones to complain about a guy getting 21/10 every night. And he's only scratching the surface in terms of his ability, much less when he gets some real help in the block with Capela and Dedmon getting their sea legs under them.

Think it through, boys and girls. How many other Hawk players in their Atlanta existence (you're not pulling the Bob Pettit card here) have hung up such numbers on a consistent basis? I think Willis did it in rebounding but not points; same with Deke, Horford and Roundfield. John Drew had similar numbers when he started out and Moses did it his first couple of years here. I've watched this team for well over 40 years and it took me pulling up numbers just to come up with those.

Is he Karl Malone or Dirk? No, not yet. But there aren't too many power forwards in the game I'm taking over him other than the usual suspects right now (Giannis, Anthony Davis)...

Edited February 11, 2020 by Dejay