Trae Young - The Man, The Viper, and The Prosecution aka The MVP aka Ice Trae

[JayBirdHawk]

[Wretch]

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Spoiler

 

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[Spud2nique]

Snubbed of player of the week for Julius Ran.

  

De'Aaron Fox, Julius Randle named Players of the Week

NBA Communications: Sacramento Kings guard De’Aaron Fox and New York Knicks forward Julius Randle have been named the NBA Western and Eastern Conference Players of the Week, respectively, for Week 6 of the 2023-24 season (Nov. 27 – Dec. 3).

 

– via Twitter

 Top Rumors, Awards, De'Aaron Fox, Julius Randle, New York Knicks, Sacramento Kings

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Just one defensive metric, but still:

 

 

[benhillboy]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Just one defensive metric, but still:

 

 

I don’t follow painfully adjusted metrics but this season is the first in Trae’s career where the opponent’s 100 possession offensive rating is lower with him on the floor as opposed to off.  I assume Defensive EPM is trying to capture that.  It’s decreased consistently:

18-19: opponents rating +8.6 with him on

19-20: +6.8

20-21: +5.4

21-22: +4.9

22-23: +1.9 (huge jump)

23-24: -3 (another huge jump)

Wouldn’t you know, the year Trae actually pays dividends defensively everyone else is falling.

Conversely the Hawk’s offensive rating is only half a point worse with him off in 4 fewer possessions, by far the lowest difference in his career.  

Edited December 7, 2023 by benhillboy

[JayBirdHawk]

7 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

I don’t follow painfully adjusted metrics but this season is the first in Trae’s career where the opponent’s 100 possession offensive rating is lower with him on the floor as opposed to off.  I assume Defensive EPM is trying to capture that.  It’s decreased consistently:

18-19: opponents rating +8.6 with him on

19-20: +6.8

20-21: +5.4

21-22: +4.9

22-23: +1.9 (huge jump)

23-24: -3 (another huge jump)

Wouldn’t you know, the year Trae actually pays dividends defensively everyone else is falling.

Conversely the Hawk’s offensive rating is only half a point worse with him off in 4 fewer possessions, by far the lowest difference in his career.  

Here's another for you. I would be lying if I said I understood it all but the graphics show something positive in conjunction with what I'm seeing in games.

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[Wretch]

4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Just one defensive metric, but still:

 

 

This is one of the reasons why I don't treat metrics as such a be-all indicator of performance/potential.  Especially defensive metrics.  There's more involved with defense than simply one singular player's literal impact. 

I feel like people throw defensive analysis and metrics around far too liberally and definitively.  There are some players who have clear physical limitations...like an older guard with bad knees trying to stay in front of his man or an undersized PF/C trying to guard bigs down low.  I've got not arguments with that kind of thing.  But I don't put any stock into all of the superficial parroting of the "he don't play no defense" arguments about players.  Particularly from those people with very clear agendas.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[RedDawg#8]

57 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

I feel bad for the kid, man. Got dealt such a shit hand. Hot take media put him in a box where he had to be Steph/Luka, or else he was the next Jimmer Fredette. It was always either/or, he could not be anything in the middle like his peers were allowed to be.

He never had a chance like SGA or Tyrese to just grow in to stardom naturally or like Ja/LaMelo where they were given the hype and the praise from day one with no apologies.

Everyone was betting boom or bust from the day he was drafted, and any slippage from him and they pounce to say I told you so.

He admittedly gaslit the narratives about him by playing in to the noise on the court. And unfortunately, he lacks the off court charisma to defend himself on a mic. Not many young stars know how to change a media agenda, but most of them don’t deal with the same scrutiny either. Maybe Zion and his body issues but that’s it. Ja will return this season and they will pick up right where they left off before the guns.

Meanwhile Trae is stuck in purgatory. No longer special by their standards. Which is a disgrace.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

 

[macdaddy]

Did anyone see that Trae showed up with Nique for an event at Norcross High School on Saturday.  Trae's my guy and I give these guys slack with the grueling schedule but out with illness friday night in philly and then at a public event saturday seemed weird.   Of course could have just been a stomach bug.  

[SalvorMallow]

48 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Did anyone see that Trae showed up with Nique for an event at Norcross High School on Saturday.  Trae's my guy and I give these guys slack with the grueling schedule but out with illness friday night in philly and then at a public event saturday seemed weird.   Of course could have just been a stomach bug.  

There's a lot of guys where I'd question their desire to play and accuse of "sandbagging", but Trae has been a veritable iron man every year of his career. 

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, macdaddy said:

Did anyone see that Trae showed up with Nique for an event at Norcross High School on Saturday.  Trae's my guy and I give these guys slack with the grueling schedule but out with illness friday night in philly and then at a public event saturday seemed weird.   Of course could have just been a stomach bug.  

He would have had 2 days to get over whatever ailed him.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[Wretch]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this...  We GOT one.  We finally got one and he's absolutely amazing.  We have to do what it takes to put the right team around him. 

You know GM's and fans around the league are salivating....just waiting for the door to crack open on his availability.

[shakes]

28 minutes ago, Wretch said:

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this...  We GOT one.  We finally got one and he's absolutely amazing.  We have to do what it takes to put the right team around him. 

You know GM's and fans around the league are salivating....just waiting for the door to crack open on his availability.

Unfortunately this is starting to remind me of my 10 years being a diehard Detroit Lions fan.  Started the day they drafted Barry Sanders and ended the day he retired.   Those were the most frustrating 10 years of sports fandom I've experienced.   We're 5 years into Trae's tenure and I notice a lot of similarities between Lions and Hawks in terms of the ineptness of the front office, coaching and most of the players.

 

Lions did nothing in 10 years to help Barry and so far Atlanta has done nothing to help Trae.

[JayBirdHawk]

40 minutes ago, Wretch said:

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand this...  We GOT one.  We finally got one and he's absolutely amazing.  We have to do what it takes to put the right team around him. 

You know GM's and fans around the league are salivating....just waiting for the door to crack open on his availability.

 

10 minutes ago, shakes said:

Unfortunately this is starting to remind me of my 10 years being a diehard Detroit Lions fan.  Started the day they drafted Barry Sanders and ended the day he retired.   Those were the most frustrating 10 years of sports fandom I've experienced.   We're 5 years into Trae's tenure and I notice a lot of similarities between Lions and Hawks in terms of the ineptness of the front office, coaching and most of the players.

 

Lions did nothing in 10 years to help Barry and so far Atlanta has done nothing to help Trae.

Part of that is Ownership, compounded by front office and coaching upheaval........shit rolling downhill.

[shakes]

5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

Part of that is Ownership, compounded by front office and coaching upheaval........shit rolling downhill.

i.e. exactly what went on during Barry Sanders career with Detroit.