2021-2022 Post/In- Between Game Thread: Thoughts, Updates, Tidbits etc.

[bleachkit]

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Listen, I've had some draft opinions that have gone comically awry.  Maybe 1 or 2 ... or 10, but I told dudes the bolded and I got roundly boo'd.

Knees and ligaments don't care if it's 300lbs of muscle or 300lbs of lard.  They're not built to withstand the pounding from the hardwood ( @Spud2nique stop giggling).

The way the PeliCan'ts have handled this in the media is tantamount to FO malpractice.  Clearly playing the word game to avoid the obvious, which is the guy's months away from even being able to play any level of basketball.  Much less NBA basketball.

And now we got the coach answering all the questions?  Where TF is David Griffin?  The guy who couldn't keep his fugly mug off the TV screen the last 2 years when the topic of Zion came up. Now that the goings getting tough, dude is M.I.A.  What a clown.

Shaq was well above 300. LeBron is around 275. I don't think there is hard fast rule regarding weight. It does help to be slimmer though. But I also don't think it's fair that when a bigger guy gets injured, we just assume weight was the reason. For a guy like Zion what puts stress on the body is the jumping, especially when you jump 3 feet in the air like he does, that's a long way to come down. His frame is naturally thick, the lowest weight he could realistically stay at is like 260, even that will be a struggle to maintain. 

[kg01]

5 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I wanna hear what happened between you and him. This is no ordinary hate.  #saderemix 

THIS IS NOOOOO ORDINARYYYYYYY HAAAATEE I KEEP CRYIIIIIIIIINNNNN…. I KEEP TRYYYIIIINNN FOOOORR YOOOUUUU, THERE’S NOTHIN LIKE… UUUU AND IIIIII..  

I think he's a phony.  Typical guy that was born on 3rd (by having prime-Lebron) but acts like he hit a triple.

[AHF]

18 hours ago, AHF said:

Someone like the Chuck Wagon is as good as it gets for basketball and in his prime he never looked like Zion does now.  

Just for the visual, this was the "round mound of rebound":

This is Zion in 2021:

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

Just for the visual, this was the "round mound of rebound":

This is Zion in 2021:

Chuck did get a little chubby in the latter half of his career. The thing about Zion is he's young. If you're big when you're 20, how are going to be at 30?

[kg01]

1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

Shaq was well above 300. LeBron is around 275. I don't think there is hard fast rule regarding weight. It does help to be slimmer though. But I also don't think it's fair that when a bigger guy gets injured, we just assume weight was the reason. For a guy like Zion what puts stress on the body is the jumping, especially when you jump 3 feet in the air like he does, that's a long way to come down. His frame is naturally thick, the lowest weight he could realistically stay at is like 260, even that will be a struggle to maintain. 

You literally said the same thing all of us are saying.

At that weight, coming down from "3 feet in the air" is a recipe for injury.

Not sure why you'd cite exceptions to make your point either.  

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You literally said the same thing all of us are saying.

At that weight, coming down from "3 feet in the air" is a recipe for injury.

Not sure why you'd cite exceptions to make your point either.  

Shaq and LeBron are exceptions? Pretty freaking notable exceptions then, as iconic all time players. Larger framed guys can have long careers. But he might have to augment his game a little, and of course watch his weight. 

[kg01]

4 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Shaq and LeBron are exceptions? Pretty freaking notable exceptions then, as iconic all time players. Larger framed guys can have long careers. But he might have to augment his game a little, and of course watch his weight. 

Yes, obviously.  List out guys over 275lbs that made it and you'll see that you named exceptions.  Has nothing to do with what caliber players they were.

At issue here is the notion that weighing that much isn't a hinderance - you seem to be suggesting it's no big deal.  I'm saying people that weigh that much typically aren't long for the league.  Shaq/Lebron are notable exceptions.

[Sothron]

It isn't just the weight but the height and frame. Larry Johnson was a freak athlete that was naturally strong and could jump through a roof. But he was the weight of a 6'9" to 6'11" NBA play condensed into a 6'7" frame. His back gave out because of the insane torque he put on it through dunking and going up for rebounds and blocks. 

Zion has the same issue. He dunks so hard and moves so far (just like Grandmama) but he's probably an inch shorter than LJ but he's supposedly 330 pounds when Grandmama was 260. Unless Zion has a come to Jesus moment with his stomach and truly changes his diet and work out regimen I don't know how he'll last another three years in the league. 

[JeffS17]

Can't believe no one is talking about his gait.  Dude walks like a duck, it cannot be a sign of good things.  He literally waddles back and forth, combined with the fact he's carrying too much weight and he has actual injuries to his foot that seem to not wanna go away... Shaq and Barkley and Lebron weren't missing this many games in their first 3 seasons... I hope Zion shapes up for his own sake but I would not go to Vegas with that

[Gray Mule]

Zion has an injection in his foot.  Will be out 4-6 weeks.

[Atlantaholic]

57 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Chuck did get a little chubby in the latter half of his career. The thing about Zion is he's young. If you're big when you're 20, how are going to be at 30?

Yea, and when Chuck was chubby he wasn't playing like when he was in his 20s. He was more of a mid-range spot up guy offensively, and used his big frame and fundamentals to score and box out down low. Zion's game is so predicated on his freakish quickness atm that he wouldn't be effective playing at fat Chuck's weight imo. 

[Atlantaholic]

9 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Can't believe no one is talking about his gait.  Dude walks like a duck, it cannot be a sign of good things.  He literally waddles back and forth, combined with the fact he's carrying too much weight and he has actual injuries to his foot that seem to not wanna go away... Shaq and Barkley and Lebron weren't missing this many games in their first 3 seasons... I hope Zion shapes up for his own sake but I would not go to Vegas with that

Yea, it's looking grim for Zion at the moment. If he can't control his weight now unlikely he'll be able to do it later  on, metabolism doesn't speed up as you age.  

[shakes]

This Zion thing really tugs at me on different levels.   I was a fat kid and an athlete.   Always played hockey at a pretty high level, but was never one of the better players.    Played in the State championship my senior year, but was an end of the bench player.  I was also 5'10, 250 lbs.   

After high school I stopped playing hockey and switched full time to basketball.  Always loved basketball, but never played it because I played hockey my whole life and they were during the same season.   Started playing bball 6-7 days per week at all the local courts.  Was a middle of the road player.  Actually, was probably the best 5'10 250lb basketball player you've ever seen, but that still only makes you mediocre overall.

At age 23 I finally said enough was enough and went on a diet.  Lost 80 lbs in 4 months just from eating better.  I was already exercising 6-7x per week so really just had to stop eating crap.   When i stepped back on the court after losing 80lbs the difference was night and day.  I went from a mediocre player to a guy who was always the best or 2nd best player on the floor.  I became the fastest player on the court and the quickest.  Held my own with former D1 players all the time and was accepted into their ranks as a peer.    

Had to stop playing basketball for good at age 30 because of back issues and decided to go back to hockey.   Got on the ice at my new weight and it was just like basketball.  The guys who were all state in high school were now worse than me.  I was the best guy on the ice most nights.  Made me think of where my life would've gone if I was mature enough to lose the weight while i was young and still in that age group where you can go somewhere with sports.

 

watching Zion throw it all away because of eating habits hits close to home for me.   At the end of the day though, no one is going to convince Zion to lose weight.  He has to do that on his own.  I had countless people telling me to lose weight  and calling me fat and it never clicked.  It was only after I decided for myself that I needed to lose the weight that it happened.

If Zion lost the weight there's no doubt he would be a top 5-10 player in the league.

[shakes]

totally forgot this....the reason I finally decided to go on a diet was because of baseball HOF Rickey Henderson.    I was at White Sox vs Toronto playoff game in 1993 and got there early.  Was in the outfield with about 50 people heckling Rickey Henderson during batting practice.  Henderson looks at the crowd, singles me out and makes a motion with his arms and body to signify that he was calling me fat.  Right then and there I decided to go on a diet.  Started it the next day.

I've always said Rickey Henderson saved my life.

[macdaddy]

2 minutes ago, shakes said:

totally forgot this....the reason I finally decided to go on a diet was because of baseball HOF Rickey Henderson.    I was at White Sox vs Toronto playoff game in 1993 and got there early.  Was in the outfield with about 50 people heckling Rickey Henderson during batting practice.  Henderson looks at the crowd, singles me out and makes a motion with his arms and body to signify that he was calling me fat.  Right then and there I decided to go on a diet.  Started it the next day.

I've always said Rickey Henderson saved my life.

Well I'm glad you turned that into something positive.  Although kind of a jerk move from Rickey.   

Only thing i have to say is there is a reason that Lebron is still elite at his age and its primarily elite fitness.   Zion, Luka and everyone really should be able to see that pretty clearly.   

[JeffS17]

4 minutes ago, shakes said:

totally forgot this....the reason I finally decided to go on a diet was because of baseball HOF Rickey Henderson.    I was at White Sox vs Toronto playoff game in 1993 and got there early.  Was in the outfield with about 50 people heckling Rickey Henderson during batting practice.  Henderson looks at the crowd, singles me out and makes a motion with his arms and body to signify that he was calling me fat.  Right then and there I decided to go on a diet.  Started it the next day.

I've always said Rickey Henderson saved my life.

Rare comment where all 4 reaction responses are appropriate 

[Spud2nique]

54 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Larry Johnson was a freak athlete that was naturally strong

Get a room already with LJ! This is no ordinary love II. (The return of the cocoon)

28 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

Zion has an injection in his foot.  Will be out 4-6 weeks.

Is that kid playin with a tonka? 

[shakes]

13 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Get a room already with LJ! This is no ordinary love II. (The return of the cocoon)

Is that kid playin with a tonka? 

a tonka truck could probably carry more weight than Zion's feet these days.

[kg01]

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[Spud2nique]

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