The cobbled together, stuff we held on to during the playoffs mega super rumor and team direction thread.

[nathan2331]

4 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

If we keep the pick Travis is failing at his job. We do not need to get younger especially if Gallo leaves.

That's not true. Next season isn't the final season for the NBA. Even if a rookie isn't expected to contribute much next year, that doesn't make them useless.

[NBASupes]

Just now, ShooterSays said:

I meant in @NBASupes hypothetical trade up involving JC + 16. 

Don't pay no attention to my trades for anything other than my opinion. 

[Mikey]

9 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Hawks News

Gobert is no longer a target of the Hawks. They are not interested in Utah asking price for Gobert. While Danny isn't the GM, the asking price is hilarious. 

Atlanta has fully shifted their focus to LaVine and Ayton.

Atlanta has been in talks with several lottery teams about possible JC trades. Atlanta is clearly targeting players in the high part of the lottery with JC like they were doing last year with Cam but more aggressively and serious with JC. Portland is the most interested but there are more teams vying for JC. I am told Portland is targeting a trade around Winslow/7 for JC. I am told Indiana also has interest in JC as does Sacramento which is not new. 

I do not believe JC will be on the roster next year at this point but he could be. 

Okongwu and Hunter are off limits. The Gobert pullout closes that door in terms of Hunter.

Atlanta is looking at PFs to compete replace the lost of Gallo. Grant is a name of interest but the name I just heard that actually has legit interest to me is Jonathan Issac. Orlando has also had interest in Bogi and in Kevin Huerter. This could be something to look into.

Gallo is gone. He's either getting traded to OKC or getting cut. Either way, he is gone.

JJ, Coop, and the CP gang is good as locks to be back. 

While Atlanta plans to target LaVine and Ayton in FA and want to meet with both guys, Atlanta is planning to aggressive pursuit defense + shooting and less shot creation in FA for reserves. 

There is going to be competition for Delon Wright so Atlanta may look to a trade or at the draft to address the PG position and add more competition to the room. Atlanta is interested in bringing him back, just not sure they will. 

He hasn't heard nothing on Kevin Knox or Dieng but that doesn't mean they aren't wanted back by Atlanta. 

Atlanta had serious interest in last year's draft in Sengun, Josh Primo, and Chris Duarte. 

I don't expect big changes but JC could be moved and he's been in trade talks for lottery picks for awhile. This is not new. This has been going on since January. Teams have done their research on JC. 

You guys remember when I told @thecampster that his chart means nothing because Danny ainge was with utah and his asking price will be high regardless. Well yeah you guys said I was dumb and knew nothing LMAOOO. told ya. context matters

That being said Chris Kirschner has said all offseason collins is most likely to be traded and he wont be back. My guess is the hawks get 7 and filler from portland targeting daniels if they cannot get higher in draft (indiana, sacramento)

[JayBirdHawk]

14 minutes ago, Mikey said:

That being said Chris Kirschner has said all offseason collins is most likely to be traded and he wont be back. My guess is the hawks get 7 and filler from portland targeting daniels if they cannot get higher in draft (indiana, sacramento)

The very first post of this thread from back on April 27th (the day after the Hawks season ended)......heck he has been on the trade market for what seems the past 2 years.

On 4/27/2022 at 7:36 AM, thecampster said:

Collins – Management loves John the person. Management also thinks John is a better fit next to a dominant center or elsewhere. John is not strong enough, big enough and is hurt too much to put next to Trae and Clint. They know his athleticism will fade.

If you see the Hawks make a move for either Ayton, Gobert (or even A.Davis), then that is just the first domino to fall. Clint, John, Dre, Bogi, Gallo, Cooper could all have a new address next season and we could easily not have a draft pick.  5 out, 3 in is very likely.

 

[sturt]

10 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Chris Kirschner has said

My friend... be careful to read Kirschner's words carefully. He ordinarily has the scruples to say explicitly if he is reporting based on a source, or if he is opining.

He's been doing a lot of opining.

[marco102]

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

You guys remember when I told @thecampster that his chart means nothing because Danny ainge was with utah and his asking price will be high regardless. Well yeah you guys said I was dumb and knew nothing LMAOOO. told ya. context matters

That being said Chris Kirschner has said all offseason collins is most likely to be traded and he wont be back. My guess is the hawks get 7 and filler from portland targeting daniels if they cannot get higher in draft (indiana, sacramento)

No one called you stupid for that. Camp was saying how teams generally evaluate things. That doesn't mean you don't have wacko gms out there trying to win trades like yesteryear. 

Also, JC will be on this team unless the Hawks are getting a top 4 pick and have found a suitable 2 way four.

That is harder said than done. 

Kirchner has been trying to trade John for years. You hear about JC so much because he has the most trade value besides Trae.  The Hawks will always take calls to discuss JC doesn't mean they will trade him unless they are blown away.

[sturt]

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

Kirchner has been trying to trade John for years. You hear about JC so much because he has the most trade value besides Trae.  The Hawks will always take calls to discuss JC doesn't mean they will trade him unless they are blown away.

 

[marco102]

Just now, sturt said:

 

I'd prefer the real thing sir. There is no limit on the amount likes one can give.

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, marco102 said:

You hear about JC so much because he has the most trade value besides Trae.  The Hawks will always take calls to discuss JC doesn't mean they will trade him unless they are blown away.

[Mikey]

3 minutes ago, sturt said:

My friend... be careful to read Kirschner's words carefully. He ordinarily has the scruples to say explicitly if he is reporting based on a source, or if he is opining.

He's been doing a lot of opining.

He also does reporting. Yes this was opining but time and time again he has mentioned he likely wont be back. I dont usually understand the chris hate but then I remember a lot of people dont understand the job of journalism and think hes supposed to be the fan of the team. Chris opinon asides my point is just all signs are pointing to collins gone for a better fit. I think many hawks fans will be underwhelmed with the return (at least in the short term casue the rookie likely wont be a stud immediately)

[sturt]

3 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I'd prefer the real thing sir. There is no limit on the amount likes one can give.

Oh, but of course. (I just like to specify what I especially like.)

 

[MarylandHawk]

6 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Ayton has to want to go to your team first and that team works out a deal with PHX. I would imagine picks would have to go out as well a player like Capela. And no, I do not believe Ayton is a star. I see him like I see JC, a fringe all star type, the difference is, he's a center and Trae spams centers highly effectively. There is more chances he can be optimized than JC offensively even if JC is a better player than Ayton. 

I still think PHX has his role correct which is the same as JC, 3rd option on a contender. Atlanta just has the ability to spam him and that will enhance his offensive value. If others spammed him, it probably won't work as Trae offensive game is predicated on driving and PnR play from as soon as he crosses half court.

I still think paying him the max is a mistake. I see it like paying JC the max. The difference is, Atlanta is the only team in the NBA that spams the 1/5 PnR and can because of Trae Young. So there is opportunity cost. If you spam JC in his current state, he can score 25 ppg too but it's not a winning formula offensively.

Interesting. Ayton has a higher ceiling the John. Whether he reaches it is another thing. I would love a squad that looked something like Ayton, OO17, Dre, Olidipo, Trae. With GP2, Bogi, Kevin, JJ, Mitchel Robinson, Duece Coop, and Wesley Matthews coming off the bench.  For shits and giggles, bol bol, a championship vet, and our second rounder to fill out the roster. I know oddly specific. 

[Spud2nique]

3 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I dont usually understand the chris hate

He’s a small money shamer. I’M NOT BUYING YOUR SOAP LAAAAADYYYYYYY!!! 

[sturt]

3 minutes ago, Mikey said:

He also does reporting.

Yes. Which is why I said...

8 minutes ago, sturt said:

He ordinarily has the scruples to say explicitly if he is reporting

 

4 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I dont usually understand the chris hate

Me, I'm big on calling balls and strikes... in this, or in any of the bigger things in life.

Chris didn't deserve, imo, to take all the bullets for his decision on his All-NBA voting. And I said as much.

I was probably the first generator of what may have been seen as "Chris hate"... I didn't trust him at first that he had the sources that he claimed to have had.

Over time, he's proven me wrong. He's been more right than wrong on his sourced reporting as far as I've seen.

But I've also had some other mini-issues with him.

That said, my comment is actually complimentary of him, and that if a reader is paying attention, Chris will tell you whether he's offering opinion or offering information based on substance.

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, sturt said:

Me, I'm big on calling balls and strikes..

Speaking of which, can we get our hands on Soto? Harris is off the table but let’s talk.

[Diesel]

40 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

If we keep the pick Travis is failing at his job. We do not need to get younger especially if Gallo leaves.

disagree here.   You always want to prepare for a future.. even if the future pick is one that we don't need or even one that we use in a trade. 

When we trade Bogi/#16 to Detroit and Get back Bledsoe/#7,  I see this as travis doing his job in several ways. 

 

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, sturt said:

Chris didn't deserve, imo, to take all the bullets for his decision on his All-NBA voting. And I said as much.

I’m like Bronson though. I don’t stop till it’s done.

[marco102]

21 minutes ago, Mikey said:

He also does reporting. Yes this was opining but time and time again he has mentioned he likely wont be back. I dont usually understand the chris hate but then I remember a lot of people dont understand the job of journalism and think hes supposed to be the fan of the team. Chris opinon asides my point is just all signs are pointing to collins gone for a better fit. I think many hawks fans will be underwhelmed with the return (at least in the short term casue the rookie likely wont be a stud immediately)

Opining isn't journalism and that is why people have a problem with Chris. They don't like his opinions. 

Haven't seen many upset about his journalism. He is actually a good one.

Edited June 9, 2022 by marco102

[NBASupes]

NBA Draft News - Top 7 Only, I have nothing new on the others in the lottery. 

1. Orlando - As we get closer to the draft, his intel is that Orlando is looking to Jabari Smith at #1 overall. He has the best mix of ceiling and floor. I did get confirmation as well that J. Isaac and M. Fultz is on the trading block. They are seeking a quality rotational 2-guard for Isaac and two 2nds for Fultz. I am told that the Phoenix Suns have interest in Fultz. Terrance Ross is currently being shopped as well with limited interest at best. Orlando would prefer to keep Bamba's rights and do a SnT for Bamba. 

2. OKC - Has been one of the most active teams looking for moves in the 2022 draft. I am told that teams would like to buy picks from them but not many are super interested in trading back from where OKC is calling about. As I said, Ivey is being said to be their top guy but the tea leaves is that if Holmgren is at #2, he's the pick. OKC is trying to move up to 4 to grab Ivey as well. 

3. HOU - All signs were pointing to Banchero being the 3rd pick but things have changed. Ivey is making a serious run for it at 3. We will see if he can pass him or if he will fall short like Garland did with the Knicks when they took R.J. 3rd. It's a dead heat for Ivey/Banchero. 

4. SAC - Sacramento have reached out to teams like Atlanta for JC but they are more likely to stay or slightly trade down. They also aren't likely to trade up either. Cost too high. While SAC is all in on Banchero, they seem to be split on Ivey but the lean right now is if Banchero is gone, Ivey will be the pick. There is also thought that if Ivey is the pick, Fox could be on the move and their are legit suitors for Fox in particular the Wizards and the Knicks. The Wizards have intriguing pieces so keep an eye out on that if Ivey is the pick. For a win now team, SAC is generally all over the place. 

5. DET - It's been pretty clear out of DET that their plans are to try to get another great pick with Grant as a piece, they haven't been so lucky with offers yet. That said, it's Ivey, then it's Murray. Sharpe is also a possibility here. DET would really like Ivey and have spoke to SAC about the possibilities of moving up.  It will cost them a top end protected 1st but DET seems to be open to the idea. "This is my opinion but DET is greatly overvaluing J. Grant but that's just me, I am not their GM, Mr. Weaver". 

6. IND - This is been a team that's in an unique position. They aren't rebuilding but all of their vets are available for trade at the right price. They value 6 but they have seriously inquired about John Collins. Turner is available but he's not cheap is what sources around the league are saying. They are interested in Ayton if he's willing to listen to them. Ivey is the guy here if he falls, otherwise, it's Murray. If Murray is gone, Griffin, Sochan, or Eason could be the move based on interest. Trading back is a serious possibility here. They are said to be open to drafting at 6 and keeping this pick but they are clearly looking at all of their options. 

7. POR - The closer it gets to the draft, the closer I think this pick could be gone. That said, if they keep the pick, it's Daniels, Duren, Sharpe, Williams, etc. It's about 20 guys vying for the 7th overall pick. It seems like they have real interest in everybody. This team is a trade back candidate. No need to mention that they are the most aggressive in terms of interest in JC. Portland is not interested in moving Hart. It's Winslow that's said to be who they are packaging with that pick in framework chatter. 

 

While I wouldn't consider it to be a lock that Atlanta trades JC to move up, it's a possibility. Chances are, JC will likely be moved, if not during the draft, during FA. It will be a nice surprise if he's still a Hawk at training camp.  

Edited June 9, 2022 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

9 hours ago, georgia said:

We use to have interest in Fultz.    Wonder if that would fit some how with Issac interest.  

None right now. He's making a lot of money for a backup PG. 

I honestly think he would be Gallo replacement if we made a move for him.