Media Manipulation? (Long)

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

So is Duncan Robinson viewed as a better player than John Collins or are some of TRW's points valid? 

Instead of saying "media", how about identifying the specific person that stated that. 

[marco102]

1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

Instead of saying "media", how about identifying the specific person that stated that. 

Do you agree or not? 

[bleachkit]

8 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Do you agree or not? 

No I don't agree with that opinion. But one person's hot take is not an indictment on the media, and it's not clear that this even came from a reputable media member. 

Edited July 20, 2022 by bleachkit

[marco102]

Just now, bleachkit said:

No I don't agree with that opinion. But one person's hot take is not an indictment on the media, and it's not clear that this even came from a reputable media member. 

Then maybe it would have been better for you to say that instead of calling us all homers and acting like you're better than the average fan.

[bleachkit]

26 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Then maybe it would have been better for you to say that instead of calling us all homers and acting like you're better than the average fan

Can you be a fan without clinging to the assertion that media has it in for the Hawks? I have seen this theme time and time again. Let go of the victimhood. 

[Peoriabird]

7 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Can you be a fan without clinging to the assertion that media has it in for the Hawks? I have seen this theme time and time again. Let go of the victimhood. 

Don't forget about the refs!

[marco102]

40 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Can you be a fan without clinging to the assertion that media has it in for the Hawks? I have seen this theme time and time again. Let go of the victimhood. 

Yeah and can you stop calling people names?

[AHF]

Some of the easiest money (if they actually took bets) out there 80% of seasons is taking the over on the consensus media win projections for the Hawks.  Whether we are good or bad, we are consistently underrated.  I tracked it years ago but lost the will to continue it.  That is what I’d point to regarding media perception.

As far as the media’s job not being homers for the Hawks we agree on that.  But what is the media’s job?  Do you think it is to give honest and throughful basketball analysis?  I do think there are people in the media who do this but they are generally not given the biggest platforms.  The people shoved into the spotlight are the ones who generate attention rather than insight and thoughtfulness.  Firing David Aldridge to bring in Stephen A Smith is emblematic of this to me.  
 

So I think the earlier post in this thread on media members  and organizations being financially incentivized to focus on big market teams is 100% correct.  It isn’t hate for Atlanta or anything per se.  It is about what drives advertising revenue and New York Knicks coverage does more of that than Atlanta Hawks coverage does so we should rationally not expect to see even handed coverage of teams given the media’s own incentives.

[Spud2nique]

24 minutes ago, AHF said:

The people shoved into the spotlight are the ones who generate attention rather than insight and thoughtfulness.

 What do you mean?

25 minutes ago, AHF said:

Firing David Aldridge to bring in Stephen A Smith is emblematic of this to me.  

saw this 2 seconds later.  

[Diesel]

On 7/20/2022 at 7:58 AM, bleachkit said:

Or perhaps Hawksquawk members overrate Hawks players. Fans always think the media has it in for their team. Just like coaches always think the refs are screwing them on every call. Also, the supposedly biased media you deride is not monolithic. If anything, Hawks skeptics were right about us. We weren't as good as we thought we were. Basking in self victimization because you aren't media darlings isn't helpful. 

Of course we overrate some of our players and we underrate some too. 

 

Sorry but the press on Trae is so ass...  Trae has put up Historic Numbers.   Historic.  He proved himself last year in the playoffs.  The media were waiting for him to fall and luckily, we had the most injury riddled team going into the playoffs.  It allowed the media to be right about Trae... them and those Hawks fans who hate the fact that we took Trae over Luka..  But were they right?  He still lead the league in Assists made and Points scored.. first time that has been done in 50 years.  Historically, only one other player has put up the kind of numbers that we're seeing from Trae and he was named MVP when he did it. 

However, when the press reports on Trae... They report on him as though he's some kind of fluke.  Leads to him being 3rd team All NBA... my question, what does Ja do better than Trae except Dunk and get hurt and allow his team to be better without him??

 

[AHF]

Ja getting 2nd team over Trae was a crime.

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

Ja getting 2nd team over Trae was a crime.

Truth is.. that if you gave Luka... Trae's stats and accomplishments, he would be in the MVP race. 

It would have been Jokic, Embiid, Curry, and Luka.

Instead, Trae is sitting on the backside of the ALL NBA team... 3rd team and being questioned about that.. Sorry ass Jalen Rose replaced him with Kyrie Irving????....  Trae is probably asking himself... What more do I have to do?

 

[macdaddy]

16 hours ago, Diesel said:

Truth is.. that if you gave Luka... Trae's stats and accomplishments, he would be in the MVP race. 

It would have been Jokic, Embiid, Curry, and Luka.

Instead, Trae is sitting on the backside of the ALL NBA team... 3rd team and being questioned about that.. Sorry ass Jalen Rose replaced him with Kyrie Irving????....  Trae is probably asking himself... What more do I have to do?

 

[Diesel]

Back before the press had virtue.  This press is more about shock value and ratings and being the news than about virtue and truth.  For that reason, I suggest that these offseason awards be taking away from the press.   I think players ought to vote for their choice of MVP, ALL NBA, and Coach of the year. 

 

[kg01]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

Back before the press had virtue.  This press is more about shock value and ratings and being the news than about virtue and truth.  For that reason, I suggest that these offseason awards be taking away from the press.   I think players ought to vote for their choice of MVP, ALL NBA, and Coach of the year. 

 

Players voting is worse.  I just think they shouldn't tie money and legacy to awards anymore.