The Official NBASupes, Sothron, and theCampster Insider Thread - NBA 2022-23 Season

[kg01]

7 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Lebron to Atlanta deal! (What, why can’t we do deals..)

ps His jersey is on sale he’s out of LA ..

 

 

ATL gets: LeTrick

LA gets: CC, JC and Bruno

 

Hawks lineup:

Trae/FA

DM/AJ

Lebron/Bogi

FA/JJ

OO/FA

 

Backup PG, starting PF, backup C and we go to finals! We can get those positions filled too because everyone wants to play with LETURD.

Bro, kick the tires on a Trae for DLo deal.  I mean, since we all exist to make LAL better.  Let's play our part.

[kg01]

I think it's cute that folks pun the coach-killer moniker on our guy.  But when you ask them if they want LP or irobot to coach their team you get ... *crickets*

JoeLLLL-o pudding has gotten 2 coaches fired, hasn't ever sniffed anything past the 2nd round, and can't stop blaming everybody else for his failures.  Who's the real coach killuh? 

And anybody that thinks he got Schkenk fired is an idiot.

[AHF]

16 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I think it's cute that folks pun the coach-killer moniker on our guy.  But when you ask them if they want LP or irobot to coach their team you get ... *crickets*

JoeLLLL-o pudding has gotten 2 coaches fired, hasn't ever sniffed anything past the 2nd round, and can't stop blaming everybody else for his failures.  Who's the real coach killuh? 

And anybody that thinks he got Schkenk fired is an idiot.

I also think it is overreaching to think that "Trae got them fired."  A lot of people on this site predicted that LP was hired to lose during the tanking and then would be fired.  Why blame Trae when that happened?  Further, how many coaches have you ever seen actively undermining their players' career by trying to keep him off the All-Star team and trying to keep him off the Olympic team?  That is some low down dirty garbage from a coach to a player.

Moreover, I just encountered posts yesterday from months ago where people were going with the "Trae is running the show" stuff and saying that "well, I guess we have our new coach since after we let  Nate go you saw Trae wearing a Steve Nash jersey therefore Trae is picking our new coach" only to have the Hawks laser focused on Quin based on everything but his relationship with Trae.  Don't really see the evidence for the conspiracy theories that Trae is pulling the strings and making these decisions.

Now I don't doubt that a coach's ability to maximize the talents of his best players is going to be a big factor in whether the front office views him as successful or not but that doesn't make him a "coach killer" when a coach is let go after not doing a particularly good job.

Agree that TS's departure was absolutely not the product of Trae calling up Ressler and saying "fire that man!" or something.  

[kg01]

6 minutes ago, AHF said:

I also think it is overreaching to think that "Trae got them fired."  A lot of people on this site predicted that LP was hired to lose during the tanking and then would be fired.  Why blame Trae when that happened?  Further, how many coaches have you ever seen actively undermining their players' career by trying to keep him off the All-Star team and trying to keep him off the Olympic team?  That is some low down dirty garbage from a coach to a player.

Moreover, I just encountered posts yesterday from months ago where people were going with the "Trae is running the show" stuff and saying that "well, I guess we have our new coach since after we let  Nate go you saw Trae wearing a Steve Nash jersey therefore Trae is picking our new coach" only to have the Hawks laser focused on Quin based on everything but his relationship with Trae.  Don't really see the evidence for the conspiracy theories that Trae is pulling the strings and making these decisions.

Now I don't doubt that a coach's ability to maximize the talents of his best players is going to be a big factor in whether the front office views him as successful or not but that doesn't make him a "coach killer" when a coach is let go after not doing a particularly good job.

Agree that TS's departure was absolutely not the product of Trae calling up Ressler and saying "fire that man!" or something.  

So I can believe your reasoned, fact-based assessment or I can believe what 'they' say? 

[REHawksFan]

14 hours ago, Sothron said:

Would you do this trade?

Jalen Brown  for:

Collins

AJ

Jalen Johnson

Kings first and Hawks later first

I would not.  I care less about the picks than I do AJ and JJ.  I just can't part with both, even as good as JB is.  If this is the celtics "Asking Price" and we can negotiate it down to something that makes more sense for the Hawks, then I'd be on board.  But not for that.  

I'd prefer to trade Clint over JC and I'd be willing to give up AJ OR JJ but not both. 

So the trade would be something like:

Jalen Brown and filler for:

Clint

AJ or JJ

Hunter?

Picks 

 

Would give us:

Trae / DJM

DJM / Bogie

JB / Bey

OO / JJ

JC / OO

Would need to fill out the bench with depth. 

[warcore]

15 hours ago, kg01 said:

I see the east being down next year.  We guud. 

Nah we guud in the East.

[warcore]

13 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

The Hawks Have Changed Everything, Except Trae Young

Regardless of how the play-in unfolds for Atlanta, I don’t see Young as the cornerstone of a title team. 

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/4/10/23676419/trae-young-atlanta-hawks

Who gives a crap what Celtics fans say... go be a Celtics fan if this is the drum you march to. 

[kg01]

3 minutes ago, warcore said:

Who gives a crap what Celtics fans say... go be a Celtics fan if this is the drum you march to. 

It's a feverish effort to find anything that supports the opinion a person has.  It's actually embarrassing for him. 

[BangHolman]

18 hours ago, Sothron said:

Would you do this trade?

Jalen Brown  for:

Collins

AJ

Jalen Johnson

Kings first and Hawks later first

I would hate to lose AJ and Jalen, but we are HOPING they become what we KNOW Jaylen already is, so it's a yes for me. 

[AHF]

14 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

The Hawks Have Changed Everything, Except Trae Young

Regardless of how the play-in unfolds for Atlanta, I don’t see Young as the cornerstone of a title team. 

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/4/10/23676419/trae-young-atlanta-hawks

My biggest issue with this article is that it seems to be based on the frankly insane premise that Quin took a job with a team whose superstar player he wants to get rid of.  Why would you ever agree to take the job in Atlanta unless you wanted to coach Trae?

Beyond that, it is a pretty scattershot article citing a small handful of media reports on behind the scenes items (because the non-Atlanta media is always super dialed into behind the scenes Atlanta drama) and shots at pretty much everyone on the team.  Look at this shots fired bit swiping Bey, DM, Hunter, Griff, and Bogi:

Quote

Unfortunately, their wing defense remains pretty pitiful. Bey has been as frustrating of a defender as he was for the Pistons. De’Andre Hunter continues to underwhelm, lacking the lateral movement the Hawks envisioned when drafting him fourth overall in 2019. Griffin remains inexperienced.

Young is far from the only culprit for Atlanta’s defensive woes. He isn’t even the biggest issue when you consider the Hawks’ so-called stoppers are actually playing like turnstiles.

I didn't find much of real value to take from the article other than that it started with the premise that the Hawks might try to get rid of Trae Young and then threw a half dozen different arguments for why that might happen up against the wall to see what stuck.  And, again, they fail to address the big logical incongruity that their article raises:  Why would Quin Snyder come to Atlanta if he didn't want to coach Trae?

[KB21]

10 minutes ago, AHF said:

My biggest issue with this article is that it seems to be based on the frankly insane premise that Quin took a job with a team whose superstar player he wants to get rid of.  Why would you ever agree to take the job in Atlanta unless you wanted to coach Trae?

Beyond that, it is a pretty scattershot article citing a small handful of media reports on behind the scenes items (because the non-Atlanta media is always super dialed into behind the scenes Atlanta drama) and shots at pretty much everyone on the team.  Look at this shots fired bit swiping Bey, DM, Hunter, Griff, and Bogi:

I didn't find much of real value to take from the article other than that it started with the premise that the Hawks might try to get rid of Trae Young and then threw a half dozen different arguments for why that might happen up against the wall to see what stuck.  And, again, they fail to address the big logical incongruity that their article raises:  Why would Quin Snyder come to Atlanta if he didn't want to coach Trae?

Quin left Utah because he didn’t want to rebuild.  Why would he come here and immediately rebuild?   Because that’s what you are looking at if Trae is moved.  
 

This is just another example of the media trying to push Trae to a larger market.  If he were in LA, that coach killer moniker would disappear.  

[BangHolman]

You really can't take a lot of what Kevin O'Connor says about the Hawks seriously. He's a well documented Hawks hater.

[JayBirdHawk]

Seems Everybody is worth 20+ million dollars 

Immanuel Quickley's extension range $80-100 million?

Michael Scotto: The Knicks are going to have to make a decision on Immanuel Quickley if they’re going to extend him or put him as part of a bigger trade package? He’s certainly increased his trade value after being a finalist for the Sixth Man of the Year award. In talking with people around the league, this is what I’ve gathered as far as looking at his value. At worst, his floor would be four years, $80 million. Then, you’re getting into a conversation of, to make sense for Quickley, is it in the four-year, $100 range? When Quickley started 21 games, he played well. He averaged 22.6 points on 47 percent shooting from the field and 40 percent from three, 5.4 rebounds, and 5.1 assists. I get the sense Quickley enjoys his time in New York and wants to be there.

 

– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

[AHF]

15 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Seems Everybody is worth 20+ million dollars 

Immanuel Quickley's extension range $80-100 million?

Michael Scotto: The Knicks are going to have to make a decision on Immanuel Quickley if they’re going to extend him or put him as part of a bigger trade package? He’s certainly increased his trade value after being a finalist for the Sixth Man of the Year award. In talking with people around the league, this is what I’ve gathered as far as looking at his value. At worst, his floor would be four years, $80 million. Then, you’re getting into a conversation of, to make sense for Quickley, is it in the four-year, $100 range? When Quickley started 21 games, he played well. He averaged 22.6 points on 47 percent shooting from the field and 40 percent from three, 5.4 rebounds, and 5.1 assists. I get the sense Quickley enjoys his time in New York and wants to be there.

 

– via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

This is actually a situation where I agree with Scotto's comments.

Quickley ranked #44 in the NBA in Win Shares this season.  His 6.7 Win Shares ranks above players like JJJ, Fred VanVleet, Chris Paul, Ja Morant, and even Al Horford.  His 6.7 WS equals the combined WS totals of JC and Dre last year.  Add in the fact that he is only 23 years old and you are going to get some serious interest from teams.  Compare that against our 23 year old Bey and you see 6.7 vs 1.6 and we've seen some pretty high potential salary numbers thrown out for Bey.

Using RAPTOR, he ranks #36 just above JJJ, Jamal Murray, Sabonis, Fox, etc. and substantially above guys like Paul and Horford.  

Using WAR, he ranks #34 above Paul George, DeRozan, Fox, Mikal Bridges, etc. and once again substantially above guys like Paul and Horford.

He is going to get a nice new contract unless he does something to really tank his value in the near term.

[JeffS17]

10 minutes ago, AHF said:

This is actually a situation where I agree with Scotto's comments.

Quickley ranked #44 in the NBA in Win Shares this season.  His 6.7 Win Shares ranks above players like JJJ, Fred VanVleet, Chris Paul, Ja Morant, and even Al Horford.  His 6.7 WS equals the combined WS totals of JC and Dre last year.  Add in the fact that he is only 23 years old and you are going to get some serious interest from teams.  Compare that against our 23 year old Bey and you see 6.7 vs 1.6 and we've seen some pretty high potential salary numbers thrown out for Bey.

Using RAPTOR, he ranks #36 just above JJJ, Jamal Murray, Sabonis, Fox, etc. and substantially above guys like Paul and Horford.  

Using WAR, he ranks #34 above Paul George, DeRozan, Fox, Mikal Bridges, etc. and once again substantially above guys like Paul and Horford.

He is going to get a nice new contract unless he does something to really tank his value in the near term.

100%.  I always check out salary by player ranked top to bottom and see where people would fit in.  You start to realize guys like Collins, Hunter, and others are just paid ...market.  People here often have a lagging view of salaries as the cap continues to increase and combine that with the urge to get guys on value contracts and it leads to that type of sentiment.  Quickley will definitely get $20+ per year imo

[Spud2nique]

Saw a Laker fan I know in the gym today. He said, “you’re a Hawks fan right?”… 

 

Ya, you know who I am damnit.

He said.. “I want Kyrie but I heard Trae.”

Me: 

Him: I want Lillard.

Me: 

Him: Ya, I feel if we had another big we woulda beat Denver. Like last year we had McGee and Dwight.

Me: 

Him: “Yeaaaaaaa”…

Me: 

 

kg… am I a iRobot now?  Fck you do to me bro? I’m an emotionless body walking around..
 

[kg01]

9 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Saw a Laker fan I know in the gym today. He said, “you’re a Hawks fan right?”… 

Ya, you know who I am damnit.

This made me crack up.

"You know my dayum naim!" - squd

And, no, you're not a robot.

[kg01]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

100%.  I always check out salary by player ranked top to bottom and see where people would fit in.  You start to realize guys like Collins, Hunter, and others are just paid ...market.  People here often have a lagging view of salaries as the cap continues to increase and combine that with the urge to get guys on value contracts and it leads to that type of sentiment.  Quickley will definitely get $20+ per year imo

I agree Qickley (down under) will get $20mil per.  But fanbases will immediately become thankful their team doesn't have to pay Quickley (down under) $20mil per. 

[akay]

15 hours ago, sturt said:

To be fair to Koonin, he said as much. In fact, your words here are a very close paraphrase as far as I recall.

I think he went on to be more precise that he believes we need a bad ass who has a bigger frame, and as I took it, meaning someone who could be a brute as situations call for it.

@sturtWho did you mention previously as our big frame bad ass that we should go after? I can't find it via search

[sturt]

11 minutes ago, akay said:

@sturtWho did you mention previously as our big frame bad ass that we should go after? I can't find it via search

Thanks for asking... here's that... and also, the last couple of pages of the "wishlist" thread has some thoughts in that vein, fwiw.