Dark horse candidates you could imagine being interested/getting considered

[sturt]

I'll start.

Avery Johnson.

David Fizdale.

 

And I'm going to say it...

Becky Hammon.

 

If there's an owner out there who would be entirely bought-in to offering Becky Hammon her first NBA head coaching gig, it is ours.

[Watchman]

20 minutes ago, sturt said:

I'll start.

Avery Johnson.

David Fizdale.

 

And I'm going to say it...

Becky Hammon.

 

If there's an owner out there who would be entirely bought-in to offering Becky Hammon her first NBA head coaching gig, it is ours.

I'd be good with any of those candidates, especially Becky and Avery.

[SalvorMallow]

18 minutes ago, sturt said:

I'll start.

Avery Johnson.

David Fizdale.

 

And I'm going to say it...

Becky Hammon.

 

If there's an owner out there who would be entirely bought-in to offering Becky Hammon her first NBA head coaching gig, it is ours.

I think our #1 target should be Quin, but I definitely wouldn't mind giving Becky a close look. 

 

Fizdale was a bad coach who couldn't get along with his players in Memphis or New York.

[Vol4ever]

I would go with Avery.  

[theheroatl]

I think D'Antoni, Avery Johnson, and Fizdale are no-gos for multiple reasons. If anything they had multiple stops as proof whereas some leading candidates are more appealing because of their relative success (relative to before and after) on their teams (Quinn and Kenny).

Becky has a long shot after Quinn Snyder and Kenny Atkinson but I highly doubt she gets the final call.

I can see the Spurs keeping her until Pop retires and has a head-coach-in-waiting for her there. 

As for Ime, I think the Hawk's organization doesn't go anywhere near him. He will end up taking some college hc or nba assistant position. He might even get a chance as an NBA assistant on the Hawks to re-prove himself. It's very hard to come back in the NBA from conduct violations, just look at historical precedents. 

Edited February 22, 2023 by theheroatl

[Diesel]

2 hours ago, theheroatl said:

I think D'Antoni, Avery Johnson, and Fizdale are no-gos for multiple reasons. If anything they had multiple stops as proof whereas some leading candidates are more appealing because of their relative success (relative to before and after) on their teams (Quinn and Kenny).

 

 

Mike D'Antoni

Regular Season							Playoffs
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	G	W	L	W/L%	W > .500	Finish		G	W	L	W/L%	Notes
1997-98	46	DEN	NBA	Assistant Coach
1998-99	47	DEN	NBA	50	14	36	.280	-11.0	6
2002-03	51	PHO	NBA	Assistant Coach
2003-04	52	PHO	NBA	61	21	40	.344	-9.5	6
2004-05	53	PHO	NBA	82	62	20	.756	21.0	1		15	9	6	.600
2005-06	54	PHO	NBA	82	54	28	.659	13.0	1		20	10	10	.500
2006-07	55	PHO	NBA	82	61	21	.744	20.0	1		11	6	5	.545
2007-08	56	PHO	NBA	82	55	27	.671	14.0	2		5	1	4	.200
2008-09	57	NYK	NBA	82	32	50	.390	-9.0	5
2009-10	58	NYK	NBA	82	29	53	.354	-12.0	3
2010-11	59	NYK	NBA	82	42	40	.512	1.0	2		4	0	4	.000
2011-12	60	NYK	NBA	42	18	24	.429	-3.0	2
2012-13	61	LAL	NBA	72	40	32	.556	4.0	3		4	0	4	.000
2013-14	62	LAL	NBA	82	27	55	.329	-14.0	5
2015-16	64	PHI	NBA	Associate Head Coach
2016-17	65	HOU	NBA	82	55	27	.671	14.0	2		11	6	5	.545
2017-18	66	HOU	NBA	82	65	17	.793	24.0	1		17	11	6	.647
2018-19	67	HOU	NBA	82	53	29	.646	12.0	1		11	6	5	.545
2019-20	68	HOU	NBA	72	44	28	.611	8.0	1		12	5	7	.417

 

Kenny Atkinson

Regular Season							Playoffs
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	G	W	L	W/L%	W > .500	Finish		G	W	L	W/L%	Notes
2008-09	41	NYK	NBA	Assistant Coach
2009-10	42	NYK	NBA	Assistant Coach
2010-11	43	NYK	NBA	Assistant Coach
2011-12	44	NYK	NBA	Assistant Coach
2013-14	46	ATL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2014-15	47	ATL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2015-16	48	ATL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2016-17	49	BRK	NBA	82	20	62	.244	-21.0	5
2017-18	50	BRK	NBA	82	28	54	.341	-13.0	5
2018-19	51	BRK	NBA	82	42	40	.512	1.0	4		5	1	4	.200
2019-20	52	BRK	NBA	62	28	34	.452	-3.0	4
2020-21	53	LAC	NBA	Assistant Coach
2021-22	54	GSW	NBA	Assistant Coach
2022-23	55	GSW	NBA	Assistant Coach
Career			NBA	308	118	190	.383	-36.0			5	1	4	.200
4 seasons		BRK	NBA	308	118	190	.383	-36.0			5	1	4	.200

 

Quin Snyder

Regular Season							Playoffs
Season ▲	Age	Tm	Lg	G	W	L	W/L%	W > .500	Finish		G	W	L	W/L%	Notes
1992-93	26	LAC	NBA	Assistant Coach
2010-11	44	PHI	NBA	Assistant Coach
2011-12	45	LAL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2013-14	47	ATL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2014-15	48	UTA	NBA	82	38	44	.463	-3.0	3
2015-16	49	UTA	NBA	82	40	42	.488	-1.0	3
2016-17	50	UTA	NBA	82	51	31	.622	10.0	1		11	4	7	.364
2017-18	51	UTA	NBA	82	48	34	.585	7.0	3		11	5	6	.455
2018-19	52	UTA	NBA	82	50	32	.610	9.0	3		5	1	4	.200
2019-20	53	UTA	NBA	72	44	28	.611	8.0	3		7	3	4	.429
2020-21	54	UTA	NBA	72	52	20	.722	16.0	1		11	6	5	.545
2021-22	55	UTA	NBA	82	49	33	.598	8.0	1		6	2	4	.333

 

David Fizdale 

Regular Season							Playoffs
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	G	W	L	W/L%	W > .500	Finish		G	W	L	W/L%	Notes
2003-04	29	GSW	NBA	Assistant Coach
2004-05	30	ATL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2005-06	31	ATL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2006-07	32	ATL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2007-08	33	ATL	NBA	Assistant Coach
2008-09	34	MIA	NBA	Assistant Coach
2009-10	35	MIA	NBA	Assistant Coach
2010-11	36	MIA	NBA	Assistant Coach
2011-12	37	MIA	NBA	Assistant Coach
2012-13	38	MIA	NBA	Assistant Coach
2013-14	39	MIA	NBA	Assistant Coach
2014-15	40	MIA	NBA	Associate Head Coach
2015-16	41	MIA	NBA	Associate Head Coach
2016-17	42	MEM	NBA	82	43	39	.524	2.0	3		6	2	4	.333
2017-18	43	MEM	NBA	19	7	12	.368	-2.5	5
2018-19	44	NYK	NBA	82	17	65	.207	-24.0	5
2019-20	45	NYK	NBA	22	4	18	.182	-7.0	5

 

 

Now the fact that people are calling for Atkinson is still a mystery.  His max was a 42 win season.   I swear most of yall call for Atkinson because he was an assistant here.  Snyder has shown that he can coach and he had a very good team and did well with them... but he had a very good team.  But you became very disrepsectful when you mentioned D'Antoni and said "he was not appealing because of his relative success".  That man has been nothing but successful (except that one year when Kobe got hurt and he had shit on the Lakers team).  Plus, he's the only coach mentioned that has coached a 2 PG system.  He did it twice.. Phoenix and Houston.. and both times... won more than 60 games. 

 

 

[kg01]

It's mind-boggling how Atkinson's garnered this pristine reputation based off like 3 years of taking a middling roster to the low-middle.

He may be a decent candidate but he's very much a question mark like all three rest

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

It's mind-boggling how Atkinson's garnered this pristine reputation based off like 3 years of taking a middling roster to the low-middle.

He may be a decent candidate but he's very much a question mark like all three rest

That's the way I see it.  I wasn't impressed with his teams nor his coaching. 

When Bud first got here.  He took us to the playoffs and we were ass but we played strong and we scared a PG led Indy team. He showed something.   I have never seen that with Atkinson. 

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, theheroatl said:

 

I can see the Spurs keeping her until Pop retires and has a head-coach-in-waiting for her there. 

Becky is not with the Spurs, she's coaching in the WNBA.

Besides, there were rumblings that the Spurs were looking at Quinn as a possible replacement for whenever Pop retires.

[kg01]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

That's the way I see it.  I wasn't impressed with his teams nor his coaching. 

When Bud first got here.  He took us to the playoffs and we were ass but we played strong and we scared a PG led Indy team. He showed something.   I have never seen that with Atkinson. 

People like the 'idea' of him.  I recall stories about him as BKN coach.  Iirc, for a while he couch-surfed with his brother who lived up there because he was too busy to find a place or whatever.  Folks figured he was at the facility hard working and whatnot.  The whole 'gym rat' image people fall in love with.

But the results were just kinda meh.  He ran a rule-heavy, tight ship that was kinda collegial and his middling team of non-stars were fine with it.  But once Kyrie and KD came around, it all fell apart.  Because NBA players don't do well in collegial environments.

So if you can't manage egos and your x's and o's are kinda so-so, what do you actually bring to the table?  Maybe he's grown and gotten better with GS but, as I said, he's very much an unknown just like the rest.

[HawksNWaffles]

 

 

  ...... 

[Gray Mule]

I'm in shock!  Everywhere I look, people naming prospective new head coaches, no one has mentioned Nates son.  Not even as interm coach?  What are these people thinking?

[Diesel]

38 minutes ago, kg01 said:

People like the 'idea' of him.  I recall stories about him as BKN coach.  Iirc, for a while he couch-surfed with his brother who lived up there because he was too busy to find a place or whatever.  Folks figured he was at the facility hard working and whatnot.  The whole 'gym rat' image people fall in love with.

But the results were just kinda meh.  He ran a rule-heavy, tight ship that was kinda collegial and his middling team of non-stars were fine with it.  But once Kyrie and KD came around, it all fell apart.  Because NBA players don't do well in collegial environments.

So if you can't manage egos and your x's and o's are kinda so-so, what do you actually bring to the table?  Maybe he's grown and gotten better with GS but, as I said, he's very much an unknown just like the rest.

Being in GS will help some but not enough. 

Him and Fizdale are neck and neck for guys I would think about but well after others. 

 

[Diesel]

25 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

I'm in shock!  Everywhere I look, people naming prospective new head coaches, no one has mentioned Nates son.  Not even as interm coach?  What are these people thinking?

I think Northcyde  has a better shot at being coach.

 

[kg01]

18 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Being in GS will help some but not enough. 

Him and Fizdale are neck and neck for guys I would think about but well after others. 

 

Fitzdale is nothing but another guy tryna make hay off a tangential connection to Lebron (from the MIA years).  What's he done beyond that? 

[Diesel]

11 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Fitzdale is nothing but another guy tryna make hay off a tangential connection to Lebron (from the MIA years).  What's he done beyond that? 

I disagree.  Bron didn't run things in Miami.   However, I do agree that his efforts has been nothing to talk about.  The problem is Fizdale has been giving crap teams and expected to overcome the shortcomings.   So in that light, I put him and Atkinson in the same boat.   Nobody was jumping up and down about Atkinson's BKN squads either.  But here's what I saw..

Fiz = A hard nose players coach.   He would be a guy that get guys in line (too similar to Nate) but at the same time would be very approachable. 

Atkinson=  Nothing.  You talk about Nate being irobot on the court.   Atkinson was irobot with everything else.  He was a guy who just kept a routine.   That's why you didn't see any players fighting for Atkinson.  As much as Nate is unliked, there are still players from his past that will step up and fight for him... and assistant coaches.  Same with Fiz.  When Fiz was fired, there were guys all over the league who were unhappy about it.  But nobody commented on Atkinson.   He didn't make any good or bad connections. 

 

 

 

[kg01]

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I disagree.  Bron didn't run things in Miami.   However, I do agree that his efforts has been nothing to talk about.  The problem is Fizdale has been giving crap teams and expected to overcome the shortcomings.   So in that light, I put him and Atkinson in the same boat.   Nobody was jumping up and down about Atkinson's BKN squads either.  But here's what I saw..

Fiz = A hard nose players coach.   He would be a guy that get guys in line (too similar to Nate) but at the same time would be very approachable. 

Atkinson=  Nothing.  You talk about Nate being irobot on the court.   Atkinson was irobot with everything else.  He was a guy who just kept a routine.   That's why you didn't see any players fighting for Atkinson.  As much as Nate is unliked, there are still players from his past that will step up and fight for him... and assistant coaches.  Same with Fiz.  When Fiz was fired, there were guys all over the league who were unhappy about it.  But nobody commented on Atkinson.   He didn't make any good or bad connections. 

Yeah sounds like they're both in my EZPassLane. 

[macdaddy]

Did players get along with Avery Johnson?   He seemed like a flash in the pan coaching wise.  

Agree on Atkinson.  I don't see the appeal.  At least not more than any other assistant.  

Snyder seems to have Nate's resume but honestly worse because he had better teams with good playoff seeding and couldn't do crap with it. 

 

[SalvorMallow]

38 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I disagree.  Bron didn't run things in Miami.   However, I do agree that his efforts has been nothing to talk about.  The problem is Fizdale has been giving crap teams and expected to overcome the shortcomings.   So in that light, I put him and Atkinson in the same boat.   Nobody was jumping up and down about Atkinson's BKN squads either.  But here's what I saw..

Fiz = A hard nose players coach.   He would be a guy that get guys in line (too similar to Nate) but at the same time would be very approachable. 

Atkinson=  Nothing.  You talk about Nate being irobot on the court.   Atkinson was irobot with everything else.  He was a guy who just kept a routine.   That's why you didn't see any players fighting for Atkinson.  As much as Nate is unliked, there are still players from his past that will step up and fight for him... and assistant coaches.  Same with Fiz.  When Fiz was fired, there were guys all over the league who were unhappy about it.  But nobody commented on Atkinson.   He didn't make any good or bad connections. 

 

 

 

Read the rumors about fizdales firing in Memphis... He lost the locker room and had beef with Marc gasol. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2018/05/07/david-fizdale-reportedly-to-marc-gasol-i-get-it-you-want-gregg-popovich-and-i-want-lebron-james/amp/

 

 

[macdaddy]

1 hour ago, SalvorMallow said:

Read the rumors about fizdales firing in Memphis... He lost the locker room and had beef with Marc gasol. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2018/05/07/david-fizdale-reportedly-to-marc-gasol-i-get-it-you-want-gregg-popovich-and-i-want-lebron-james/amp/

 

 

Good lord.   Fiz thinks 2 championships as an assistant coach on the Lebron/wade/bosh Heat are big personal accomplishment to throw in the player's face?  Dude's crazy.