2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[theheroatl]

1 minute ago, macdaddy said:

I agree with all that except I'd hang on to Bogi unless we get a lot back and honestly i'd hang on to OO unless we get a lot back.  I think he can be a good starter next to JJ which we didn't get to see much of. 

I'd trade Murray though.  I just don't see the point of Murray especially when you got Kobe waiting in the wings.  

I’m ok with that too.. it better be for a good reason to hang on those guys.

 

Bogi might be the most valuable trade chip of all of them though. Smh

 

JJ Trae and DJ are the best players we have and worth holding onto.. obviously DJ is the valuable one in trades. I would not trade Trae.

Edited May 3 by theheroatl

[KB21]

Trading Bogi and OO are both stupid moves unless you are getting a great return.  

[AHF]

Man, I love hearing that OKC is *****ed beyond belief over the next 5 years.  Unable to improve.  Incapable of keeping their own players on reasonable contracts.  I feel sorry for those a*****les don't you guys?  Having a bunch of rising talent on rookie contracts is a real curse for a franchise.  The only thing you can do is keep them, then overpay them, then salary dump them, and watch your roster deteriorate.  No possibility that you could sign them to market competitive contracts.  No chance you could trade them for better fitting pieces.  No chance for any of that.  Get used to it, OKC.  You guys are FUBAR'd and your front office has no options.

(Also, I'm confused why people are raising the fact that fans might be attached to players such that they would resist trades that could be good for the team.  Do front offices check with fan websites before making moves?  Does fan opinion constrain front offices?  Not sure how the views of fans are at all relevant to a discussion around whether the front office could have done things differently after it has become clear that the front office put the team on a path to deteriorating results.)

[macdaddy]

Just now, AHF said:

Man, I love hearing that OKC is *****ed beyond belief over the next 5 years.  Unable to improve.  Incapable of keeping their own players on reasonable contracts.  I feel sorry for those a*****les don't you guys?  Having a bunch of rising talent on rookie contracts is a real curse for a franchise.  The only thing you can do is keep them, overpay them, and watch your roster deteriorate.  No possibility that you could sign them to market competitive contracts.  No chance you could trade them for better fitting pieces.  No chance for any of that.  Get used to it, OKC.  You guys are FUBAR'd and your front office has no options.

(Also, I'm confused why people are raising the fact that fans might be attached to players such that they would resist trades that could be good for the team.  Do front offices check with fan websites before making moves?  Does fan opinion constrain front offices?  Not sure how the views of fans are at all relevant to a discussion around whether the front office could have done things differently after it has become clear that the front office put the team on a path to deteriorating results.)

This is the way that i feel.  I look who's on the rosters of NY, Indy, Cavs, Boston compared to 3 years ago.  Some how they were able to make moves to improve despite it being so incredibly difficult.  

Yeah lots of teams are crappy but there arent' that many who are legitmately trying to be good for 3 years and failing so badly.  Am I happy we're not the Hornets, Wash, Utah.  Yeah i suppose but that doesn't make me feel good. 

Anyway, i'm definitely hoping for changes and investment.  

[JeffS17]

My hopes for this offseason:

• We need to find the best offer available for Hunter and trade him. 
  • Play JJ at SF for minutes next season and see how he does.  IMO he can play as a big wing.
• Extend Bey on a team friendly contract as a good bench piece.  He's not championship starting talent but he's a championship bench player imo
• Trade CC, salary dump if necessary, take best offer available
• Trade AJ, package him with Clint if needed, get guys on the roster who want to play
• And most importantly, trade either DJ or Trae
  • $68M dual PG back court just isn't it
  • Hopefully get back talent at PF as that's our biggest gap in the rotation.  Or SF if we do move from Hunter

We gotta fix the roster fit this year and keep developing guys.  I want to see Kobe get more minutes, I want to see JJ play some SF minutes, I want to see OO starting at center and playing some PF minutes.  We need guys who can play 2-3 positions offensively and defensively.  We need better POA defense and we need size on the bench.  Obviously we can only make moves that are available but I'd be happy with any combination of the above. 

[NekiEcko]

1 hour ago, terrell said:

I cant believe y'all are actually talking about the sorry arse Hawks right now..lol

This was One of the most disappointing Hawks teams in recent memory.. 

And I don't see it getting much better next season unfortunately,  unless major changes are made.....

Just trading Murray for a better "fit" and the 10th pick isn't gonna get us in the top tier of the East

Hope Im wrong...

Maybe Onsi Saleh (the new Schlenk) can save the day....

 

Indeed, we continue to discuss the Hawks, despite the disappointments, because they are our team. However, participation in this conversation is not obligatory.

Moreover, I believe that a solid plan must be established, and this time, it will require taking some risks.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

You're acting like we can't do anything but keep our own players.  

But it's not even about just that though. It's what we didn't do after the decision to move on from JC was made. There wasn't a serious attempt to add talent. 

Just to recap:

1. traded JC for Gay and 2nd, then traded Gay for Patty Mills $6.5 mil (he replaced AHol)

2. Drafted #15 Kobe $4 mil

3. Signed Wes as a FA $2.2 mil

We had the unguaranteed contracts of Garrison and Bruno totalling $4.5 million, which we later guaranteed.

That was the extent of our offseason moves.

[warcore]

2 hours ago, Final_quest said:

Ha ha.  Every time I suggested that I got told “Cam is a future star” “JC is better than Sabonis”.  Don’t trade our amazing homegrown team.  

Anyways, the guys we did sign were all made available for other players last year.  We aren’t getting good offers.  Hoping we do this off-season for Murray.

I've noticed this as well. I was one that was on board for trading whatever MIN wanted to move up to #1 to draft Edwards. I was disappointed in the posters that said trading Huerter/JC/#6 is too much because Edwards won't be better than either of them. 

People get so attached to the current players. 

[JeffS17]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

But it's not even about just that though. It's what we didn't do after the decision to move on from JC was made. There wasn't a serious attempt to add talent. 

Just to recap:

1. traded JC for Gay and 2nd, then traded Gay for Patty Mills $6.5 mil (he replaced AHol)

2. Drafted #15 Kobe $4 mil

3. Signed Wes as a FA $2.2 mil

We had the unguaranteed contracts of Garrison and Bruno totalling $4.5 million, which we later guaranteed.

That was the extent of our offseason moves.

How can you say there weren't serious attempts when we were heavily rumored in the only available all-star level talent (Siakam) this summer?  Not to mention the very real talks reported by Sothron and Supes about us targeting Karl Anthony Towns.  How much more serious can you get?  My understanding is that the front office was working the phones to bring in a star player and that was their #1 goal this season.  You guys act like we're the Charlotte Hornets with this rhetoric lmao

[AHF]

30 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I want to see Kobe get more minutes, I want to see JJ play some SF minutes, I want to see OO starting at center and playing some PF minutes.  

These items are entirely within our control and were all items on my wish list for the 2023-24 season.  

[AHF]

7 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

How can you say there weren't serious attempts when we were heavily rumored in the only available all-star level talent (Siakam) this summer?  Not to mention the very real talks reported by Sothron and Supes about us targeting Karl Anthony Towns.  How much more serious can you get?  My understanding is that the front office was working the phones to bring in a star player and that was their #1 goal this season.  You guys act like we're the Charlotte Hornets with this rhetoric lmao

We went for some low % home run trades but the rest of the offseason was that of a very unserious team and those goals were mutually independent.  We were not prohibited from signing better low $ bench players than Mills, Wes, etc. by our pursuit of KAT or Siakam.  Even with some of our bench players improving late in the year, our bench was abysmal this year.

[JayBirdHawk]

35 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

How can you say there weren't serious attempts when we were heavily rumored in the only available all-star level talent (Siakam) this summer?  Not to mention the very real talks reported by Sothron and Supes about us targeting Karl Anthony Towns.  How much more serious can you get?  My understanding is that the front office was working the phones to bring in a star player and that was their #1 goal this season.  You guys act like we're the Charlotte Hornets with this rhetoric lmao

They (@Vol4ever ) also said Ressler wasn't open to paying Siakam that's why the deal ultimately fell thru (at the TDL).....so as always, money.

So big name hunting, that falls thru.....so you do nothing. Cool

[JeffS17]

6 minutes ago, AHF said:

We went for some low % home run trades but the rest of the offseason was that of a very unserious team and those goals were mutually independent.  We were not prohibited from signing better low $ bench players than Mills, Wes, etc. by our pursuit of KAT or Siakam.  Even with some of our bench players improving late in the year, our bench was abysmal this year.

Which bench players could we have signed? Who wanted to play here on our bench and why didn't it work out?

[JayBirdHawk]

As long as there remains an overriding perception that the Hawks first priority is to remain under the Luxury Tax, this is our lot in life - shuffling the deck chairs while robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[AHF]

40 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Which bench players could we have signed? Who wanted to play here on our bench and why didn't it work out?

Hey, if you are content with guys who contribute only a little bit more to the team than you and I did then good on you.  You are never going to be disappointed with a 0.0 WS season like Patty Mills delivered if your expectations are that low.  We had the space to sign any free agent who signed a minimum contract for double that amount so I don't really care who wanted to come here as most guys will take the money over how much they happen to love the night life in one city versus another and I'm more focused on how badly we utilized the levers we could pull to give the team meaningful depth in light of the big 5 red flags of injury risk coming into the season:  Bogi, AJ, JJ, OO and Hunter.  Seems like other teams can do much better than what we did.  I'd like to see that from my team more along the lines of the valuable relatively low dollar moves that Danny Ferry made.  (Example:  DMC 2 years, $5M.  Feel free to adjust that to $8M or something.)

[KB21]

I wonder if the Suns would take Clint's expiring deal for the 22nd pick?

[theheroatl]

7 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I wonder if the Suns would take Clint's expiring deal for the 22nd pick?

In a weak draft like this Matt Ishiba would jump at that

[KB21]

3 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

In a weak draft like this Matt Ishiba would jump at that

It would probably have to be Clint for Nurkic and the 22nd pick.  I think they could go for it.  Clint is better than Nurkic now, and they don't want to add anyone in this draft.  In hindsight, we should have taken Dallas's offer of Davis Bertrans and the 10th pick instead of trying to hold out for Josh Green.  

[bird_dirt]

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

LA fired Darvin Ham.  Quin should bring him back to Atlanta as an assistant.

Shhhhhiiiiiii. 
Hawks probably should be looking to renegotiate an improved deal to keep Quin from bouncing to LA, with Trae following him. 

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, warcore said:

I've noticed this as well. I was one that was on board for trading whatever MIN wanted to move up to #1 to draft Edwards. I was disappointed in the posters that said trading Huerter/JC/#6 is too much because Edwards won't be better than either of them. 

People get so attached to the current players. 

While I never agreed with that, it's hard to say who is gonna be who when a player is as raw as Ant was then. Look at Cam, he is still as raw as he was then whereas Ant is a superstar now. That said, Ant was always a safer bet than Cam because his motor, drive, and mindset was massively superior