Hawks looking to trade

[NBASupes]

14 minutes ago, AHF said:

I am worried we are going to suck this season by design; fail in our trade efforts to bring in a second star; not get immediate stars with our picks; lose a bunch the next couple years; lose Trae; and end up with a total rebuild in a couple of years that will have us trading away JJ so we don’t waste his prime tanking.  Then we will be almost 10 years removed from being competitive before we come back around.  This seems very plausible if our front office can’t handle the next 36 months and the fact that we just brought in Chris Grant is not a ringing endorsement of even Ressler’s confidence in this group.

It doesn’t need to go that badly.  But oof.  The potential for eviacerating ourselves is there.

This is really on Ressler. Travis valued those draft assets, he didn't and only could see his cash cow getting angry and him matching that anger. Maybe ASG would also shoot themselves if they had a Trae Young to sell tickets as they did it without a Trae Young. Tony's downfall is Al Horford and Trae Young

Tony didn't value winning as much as he valued star power and selling tickets. He claimed he values winning but his decisions say otherwise to everyone watching. 

Edited January 16 by NBASupes

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

 

If Toronto can't be dragged kicking and screaming into a rebuild, neither can we. 

 

There’s no rebuild coming, there can’t be, it’s all lies. Hawks front office can’t do that to the fans. If they do they better jet outta town.

Jaime, her penny pitching tight with money husband Tony, Landry, all really pissing me off.  

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

Perhaps the most perplexing part is a large percentage of the board is actively rooting for it to happen.

Those folks are stupid. Always looking for rebuilds and hauls and fun in the draft.

We drafted 2001-2007 hard, back from 2016-2020..

First one took 7 years.. second one took about 5 years.

 

With Trae you don’t rebuild…. Sorry.

DID YALL WATCH THE GAME LAST NIGHT? Trae is a top 3 MOST SKILLED PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, think about it.

 

Management: Get it together and retool, this ain’t a rebuild don’t be stupid.

 

[Spud2nique]

7 minutes ago, kg01 said:

precipice

I’m gonna run this by the word dude at work at wow his a$$ today  

[Gray Mule]

Just because you fail once does not guarantee that you will fail again.  Just because the Hawk's front office failed and we're now reaping the results, we are not guaranteed another failure.

Sometimes people learn from their mistakes.  Hopefully, the brain thrust of the Atlanta Hawks are aware of the pitfalls that they have created and will not repeat them.  Remember, "Doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting different results."

Quin Snyder was not here when all this mess was made.  His voice will be heard, I'm sure, as we enter into this rebuild or whatever we choose to call it.  Front office must not trade for any player that he does not want.  This is a vital part of all this.  If this rebuild fails, he must get his part of the blame.  If it is successful, which we all hope it is, we, as a team, will succeed.

[RedDawg#8]

I understand anyone who is against a rebuild. I dont need to repeat any of those points as they are all valid.

But the point that is getting lost is that we are already losing NOW while we thought we were built to win. That is a huge problem. Looking at the company we are keeping in the standings, we are next to teams in similar situations (Bulls, Raps, Nets) who all overvalued their players and the product on the court doesn’t match the expectations of the fans or front office.

We can keep telling ourselves we are one big time move away but it will just delay the inevitable. It is better to make the hard decisions now and maximize value/return for your (underachieving) assets with hopes of getting the right pieces in place.

I don’t think it can happen by keeping a bunch of drafted players, but if we can use resources to acquire skilled veterans that fit the profile of what Trae needs then it can work. There is just too much money tied up in a losing roster that is trending downward by the day. 
Whether you want to rebuild or not, we are a BAD team either way. Might as well be smart about it if you’re still going to lose games.

I don’t thing swinging big is going to work, not unless we get lucky again with another player who demands to play with Trae like DJ did.

Trae and JJ are your centerpieces. Soth already explained the vision with building around these two. There is no 3rd star magically appearing, bit damnit if we can’t at least find size, length, IQ,  and some hustle, you can do worse than a walking 30-10 PG and a stat stuffing forward as your starting point.

[RedDawg#8]

37 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Those folks are stupid. Always looking for rebuilds and hauls and fun in the draft.

We drafted 2001-2007 hard, back from 2016-2020..

First one took 7 years.. second one took about 5 years.

 

With Trae you don’t rebuild…. Sorry.

DID YALL WATCH THE GAME LAST NIGHT? Trae is a top 3 MOST SKILLED PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, think about it.

 

Management: Get it together and retool, this ain’t a rebuild don’t be stupid.

 

Losing dictates the direction. Getting blown out by Washington and San Antonio in 6 of the last 8 quarters makes the decision easy. Two tanking teams that are  both 7-32 have had their way with us.

This is not a “put a band aid on it” roster. We are very clearly out classed by teams 1-8 in the East. If the Play-In didn’t exist we would be so clearly a lottery team already while TRYING to win games. We are losing games without trying to lose on purpose.

That tells you all you need to know. No need to sugar coat the situation any longer.

What is worse, telling Trae that we are going to make some hard moves to put us in a better situation long term to win a championship OR that a 16-23 team in 11th place is a Pascal Siakam away from being a title contender this season?

Trae has to understand the reality of the situation. There are no more short cuts left on the table. Either we bite the bullet and fix real problems, or we keep pretending everything will work itself out and regress for the 3rd, 4th consecutive season and he leaves anyway.

Edited January 16 by RedDawg#8

[bleachkit]

12 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

I understand anyone who is against a rebuild. I dont need to repeat any of those points as they are all valid.

But the point that is getting lost is that we are already losing NOW while we thought we were built to win. That is a huge problem. Looking at the company we are keeping in the standings, we are next to teams in similar situations (Bulls, Raps, Nets) who all overvalued their players and the product on the court doesn’t match the expectations of the fans or front office.

We can keep telling ourselves we are one big time move away but it will just delay the inevitable. It is better to make the hard decisions now and maximize value/return for your (underachieving) assets with hopes of getting the right pieces in place.

I don’t think it can happen by keeping a bunch of drafted players, but if we can use resources to acquire skilled veterans that fit the profile of what Trae needs then it can work. There is just too much money tied up in a losing roster that is trending downward by the day. 
Whether you want to rebuild or not, we are a BAD team either way. Might as well be smart about it if you’re still going to lose games.

I don’t thing swinging big is going to work, not unless we get lucky again with another player who demands to play with Trae like DJ did.

Trae and JJ are your centerpieces. Soth already explained the vision with building around these two. There is no 3rd star magically appearing, bit damnit if we can’t at least find size, length, IQ,  and some hustle, you can do worse than a walking 30-10 PG and a stat stuffing forward as your starting point.

We literally can't rebuild. SAS has our '25, '26 swap, and '27. What are we going to rebuild with? We are in deep trouble. The fact we have no protections on those picks is just crazy. We could be entering a very dark period for this franchise. 

[NBASupes]

Since Tony been the owner and Trae's been the face. There hasn't been one stud who's been available for us to add with Trae outside of Murray and we should have never took that shot to begin with but we did because we were desperate for another star. This is on us, no one else. The fact is, Travis messed up when he traded Trae for Luka. We could have did everything else the same and we would still be contenders right now if not for that trade decision. 

Just now, bleachkit said:

We literally can't rebuild. SAS has our '25, '26 swap, and '27. What are we going to rebuild with? We are in deep trouble. The fact we have no protections on those picks is just crazy. We could be entering a very dark period for this franchise. 

I know Travis told them to not do that but they swear Trae is that guy seeing them ticket sales and the profit. Tony f***ed this up even more than ASG. 

[NBASupes]

They could have top 3 protected the 25 and 27 picks. At least ASG did that with 2007 and we ended up with Horford. 

[NBASupes]

It's stupid to blame Trae. No other organization would give him full autonomy like this dumbass one has. He think he's TraeBron James

https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2023/sort/homePct

Tony making cash with ease. 

Edited January 16 by NBASupes

[theheroatl]

45 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Those folks are stupid. Always looking for rebuilds and hauls and fun in the draft.

We drafted 2001-2007 hard, back from 2016-2020..

First one took 7 years.. second one took about 5 years.

 

With Trae you don’t rebuild…. Sorry.

DID YALL WATCH THE GAME LAST NIGHT? Trae is a top 3 MOST SKILLED PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, think about it.

 

Management: Get it together and retool, this ain’t a rebuild don’t be stupid.

 

I can't stand those people.. 

 

They are essentially fans of other teams that want Trae.

[Spud2nique]

33 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

They are essentially fans of other teams that want Trae.

Ya and some of our guys recruited those dude from FakeGM!!!! not naming any names .. @kg01 you were duped! 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, Gray Mule said:

rebuild

The French call it.. “retòól” it’s a chic way of saying..

 

WHAT THE F&CK HAPPENED TO OUR WAR CHEST OF ASSETS JUST 3 YEARS AGO..

  

@Gray Mule I gots Caviar wishes and champagne (not dude on spurs) ’s..

ps I know my allotment..

 

[kg01]

43 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

We literally can't rebuild. SAS has our '25, '26 swap, and '27. What are we going to rebuild with? We are in deep trouble. The fact we have no protections on those picks is just crazy. We could be entering a very dark period for this franchise. 

Yep but, sadly, @RedDawg#8 is right.  We're rebuilding whether we know it or not.  And since we got no picks to tank with, this is not a rebuild 'by default'.  It's the rare rebuild by 'the fault'.  As in, all this sh*t is the fault of shoddy management and (cl)ownership.

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Ya and some of our guys recruited those dude from FakeGM!!!! not naming any names .. @kg01 you were duped! 

I'm basicslly the hawks on this subject.  I have no defense .... (its ok to lol then cry).

[AHF]

I will say that is seems very possible we could build a dynasty if we trade our vets for expiring garbage and first round picks.  It could be something that actually leads to a ring or even multiple rings.*

So we could look forward to shaping the next big era of the NBA!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(* for San Antonio).

[Spud2nique]

19 minutes ago, kg01 said:

its ok to lol then cry).

Do my tears surprise you sir?

 

[HawksNWaffles]

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Do my tears surprise you sir?

 

 

or is it more like 

 

 

Edited January 16 by HawksNWaffles

[JayBirdHawk]

39 minutes ago, AHF said:

I will say that is seems very possible we could build a dynasty if we trade our vets for expiring garbage and first round picks.  It could be something that actually leads to a ring or even multiple rings.*

So we could look forward to shaping the next big era of the NBA!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(* for San Antonio).

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Yep but, sadly, @RedDawg#8 is right.  We're rebuilding whether we know it or not.  And since we got no picks to tank with, this is not a rebuild 'by default'.  It's the rare rebuild by 'the fault'.  As in, all this sh*t is the fault of shoddy management and (cl)ownership.

I'm basicslly the hawks on this subject.  I have no defense .... (its ok to lol then cry).

Here is where ownership, front office and coaching will have to show us who they are.

We don't have our own picks from 25-27, DEAL WITH IT!  We shouldn't make a deal with that as the main focus. Get value to build with. If we keep crying about 'If only' - we can never move forward.  It's time to do that NOW!  

Pick a direction, Have a plan, Execute that Plan. 

If we are only hyper focused on recouping those picks - it's already a failure.

Develop the young players, find those diamonds in the roughs from other teams, Europe, Gleague etc that lack playing time and scout effectively, bring in real vets that can still contribute on the floor...........and stop being cheap.