Hawks looking to trade

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

@AHF exactly what we have been discussing.

[Hawkish]

9 minutes ago, AHF said:

Does AJ qualify as a quality asset by this measurement?  2.1 points on 28.9% FG%.  To me, that is a very different type of deal from anything involving Dejounte. 

I wasn’t referring to AJ.  If he is truly a sunk cost and unwilling to mesh/gel with our coaching, then we can look at deals like this (especially if we get a pick for Bey).  Have to consider cap management— AJ is on rookie contract.  Isn’t Grimes a FA soon?

[JayBirdHawk]

6 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

I wasn’t referring to AJ.  If he is truly a sunk cost and unwilling to mesh/gel with our coaching, then we can look at deals like this (especially if we get a pick for Bey).  Have to consider cap management— AJ is on rookie contract.  Isn’t Grimes a FA soon?

Grime is early extension eligible this offseason, same as JJ. RFAs next offseason.

[AHF]

8 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

I wasn’t referring to AJ.  If he is truly a sunk cost and unwilling to mesh/gel with our coaching, then we can look at deals like this (especially if we get a pick for Bey).  Have to consider cap management— AJ is on rookie contract.  Isn’t Grimes a FA soon?

 

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Grime is early extension eligible this offseason, same as JJ. RFAs next offseason.

He has one year less of team control than AJ (and it feels like we are pissing away this year where he is going unplayed).

[macdaddy]

8 minutes ago, AHF said:

 

He has one year less of team control than AJ (and it feels like we are pissing away this year where he is going unplayed).

JWalker knows what's up.   

 

 

[Hawkish]

6 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

JWalker knows what's up.   

 

 

I admittedly forgot about Kobe for a moment. He clearly has a skillset with potential.  

[theheroatl]

The clear answer is we need more athletic and defensive forwards and centers

Herb Jones, JJJ, WCJ… we need these types

When this void is filled, we will win a lot more games.

 

 

[Jody23]

Trifling stuff from ownership.  Got the nerve to get on camera and say you want to win a championship.  Please.  Ressler's probably not even in this for the long term.  Just effectively ruin the franchise, take the money, and run.  Somebody get Katt Williams to go on Locked on Hawks so he can talk about Hawks' "ownership".  Smh.

[JeffS17]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

@AHF exactly what we have been discussing.

It's not actually indefensible though.  It's quite defensible.  Our priority this offseason was very clearly to land a second star with Trae, not fill out a flawed core with MLEs.  The only quality MLE signing that would have made sense for us was Niang and he was off the table by the time the Siakam trade fell through.  I agree with our priorities.  You don't worry about the countertops in your new home if you don't have a strong foundation for it to sit.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

3 hours ago, Sothron said:

we both got the flu shot last Oct so we're kinda shocked at how badly the flu is hitting both of us. It might be that B strain we have.

That's because some of these "flu" strains aren't the flu.  They're different strains of COVID.

[AHF]

20 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

It's not actually indefensible though.  It's quite defensible.  Our priority this offseason was very clearly to land a second star with Trae, not fill out a flawed core with MLEs.  The only quality MLE signing that would have made sense for us was Niang and he was off the table by the time the Siakam trade fell through.  I agree with our priorities.  You don't worry about the countertops in your new home if you don't have a strong foundation for it to sit.

You don't just sit by with a broken chair when you have the money to repair it without affecting your project to rebuild your foundation.  We have broken furniture right now that we've been sitting on and fixing that doesn't do anything to undermine your efforts to land a second star.  These things are not mutually exclusive or in conflict.

[JeffS17]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

We have broken furniture right now that we've been sitting on and fixing that doesn't do anything to undermine your efforts to land a second star.  These things are not mutually exclusive or in conflict.

Except, in practice, they most certainly are in conflict.  It was widely reported, to this messages boards delight, we were targeting KAT and Siakam this offseason.  Those are two front court players.  In either scenario, if we land one of those guys, Niang is not going to have a spot in the rotation.  You sign him early and 1. you've mismanaged your spending but even worse 2. You've now undermined conversations that would presumably take place during that MLE signing, i.e your role will be this, you will receive a lot of minutes, etc.  

So yes, what we were trying to do absolutely does conflict with what our realistic options were to "fixing a broken chair".  And as I've recently laid out, in great detail, there were no other realistic targets for this team to pursue to shore up our deficiencies.  You guys are starting with a conclusion of "Ressler has ruined the team because he refuses to spend" and then working backwards to justify that conclusion.  Our insiders were heavily reporting that the team was trying to land a star player to go with Trae/Murray this offseason, and that player was going to be a front court star.  So the idea that aggressively pursuing upgrades through the MLE before we had any conclusion on Siakam/KAT is just a completely flawed premise.  We did not even know where the holes in our roster would be.

[AHF]

I agree with you that an aggressive offer for a PF or C when trying to trade for KAT or Siakam and intending to send salary from wing positions rather than frontcourt positions in the deal would not have made sense and so the decision not to sign Niang while those deals were in progress was justifiable.  

Agree to disagree that when we needed rotation viable wings before the theoretical trade for Siakam or KAT and would be sending out a starting wing in the hypothetical deal that the best possible FA we could have signed who would have fit our roster pre-hypothetical-trade and post-hypothetical trade was Wesley Matthews.  

 

[macdaddy]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

It's not actually indefensible though.  It's quite defensible.  Our priority this offseason was very clearly to land a second star with Trae, not fill out a flawed core with MLEs.  The only quality MLE signing that would have made sense for us was Niang and he was off the table by the time the Siakam trade fell through.  I agree with our priorities.  You don't worry about the countertops in your new home if you don't have a strong foundation for it to sit.

I mean it's not really defensible.  Even if you accept your theory here, Siakam got traded.  So the priority of our offseason, the whole reason we failed to fill out the roster with 'lesser' players went somewhere else.  

So are we just going to play this out every year where we target a star but we're either too cheap to pony up for them or they refuse to come here?   Or are we going to actually build a complete roster.  Not like we're even asking to go in the tax.  Just use the money available. 

[Vol4ever]

3 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

@AHF exactly what we have been discussing.

What a joke, of course we felt this way all along   NBA needs to find a reason to require Ressler get with the program or sell the team.  

Note:   I started this thread awhile back.  I was told a deal with Chicago was virtually done, just waiting announcement and Ressler squashed it.   I don't know the players involved. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Rockets interested in Kelly Olynyk, Clint Capela, Andre Drummond, Robert Williams

The Rockets, league sources said, are also exploring the center market, looking to bolster their rim protection. According to those sources, Houston is keeping tabs on Utah’s Kelly Olynyk, Atlanta’s Clint Capela, Chicago’s Andre Drummond and Portland’s Robert Williams III (who has fans throughout the current coaching staff) among others.

 

– via The Athletic

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

Except, in practice, they most certainly are in conflict.  It was widely reported, to this messages boards delight, we were targeting KAT and Siakam this offseason.  Those are two front court players.  In either scenario, if we land one of those guys, Niang is not going to have a spot in the rotation.  You sign him early and 1. you've mismanaged your spending but even worse 2. You've now undermined conversations that would presumably take place during that MLE signing, i.e your role will be this, you will receive a lot of minutes, etc.  

So yes, what we were trying to do absolutely does conflict with what our realistic options were to "fixing a broken chair".  And as I've recently laid out, in great detail, there were no other realistic targets for this team to pursue to shore up our deficiencies.  You guys are starting with a conclusion of "Ressler has ruined the team because he refuses to spend" and then working backwards to justify that conclusion.  Our insiders were heavily reporting that the team was trying to land a star player to go with Trae/Murray this offseason, and that player was going to be a front court star.  So the idea that aggressively pursuing upgrades through the MLE before we had any conclusion on Siakam/KAT is just a completely flawed premise.  We did not even know where the holes in our roster would be.

You keep staying no other viable options - I disagree. 

At the start of FAcy, Hawks had the MLE and a $25 mil TPE. Trying to execute the Siakam trade should not have precluded them from at least reaching out to FAs to gauge interest, since any Siakam trade would have involved matching salary going out AND we'd more likely be sending out more players than we got back. So we would have had roster spots to fill, we could have used a portion of the TPE to trade for a usable player.

Any FAs we signed or players we traded for would have been trade eligible Dec 15th., so they could have been included in a Siakam trade.

A Siakam/KATtrade or DO NOTHING was not the right approach as we have seen. Very short sighted particularly when it was 'avoid the play-in'.

 

[kg01]

17 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Rockets interested in Kelly Olynyk, Clint Capela, Andre Drummond, Robert Williams

The Rockets, league sources said, are also exploring the center market, looking to bolster their rim protection. According to those sources, Houston is keeping tabs on Utah’s Kelly Olynyk, Atlanta’s Clint Capela, Chicago’s Andre Drummond and Portland’s Robert Williams III (who has fans throughout the current coaching staff) among others.

 

– via The Athletic

I think, if Harden had ended up in HOU, capela would already be there with him.

- tha outsiders.

Edited January 31 by kg01

[Vol4ever]

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

That's because some of these "flu" strains aren't the flu.  They're different strains of COVID.

Ok not what my doc told me.  I should have stated my doctor told me.  

[kg01]

7 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

Ok not what my doc told me.  I should have stated my doctor told me.  

Wha??  No way I'm trusting a trained medical professional over my guy @TheNorthCydeRises. 

Edited January 31 by kg01