Amnesty

[Brotha2ThaNite]

I read in another thread that Amnesty might work for us in getting Joe Johnson off this team.

I'm sorry starting another thread but I need to know how this works ASAP!

Please someone give me some good news here.

[Guest]

The Amnesty can be used on any player who is on the team at the time of the new CBA, it can be in any any year of the current CBA before the start of a season. There is no using it this year. Next year definitely.

[Joker]

Not happening but games like this make you want it to happen. Joe will be Joe. He will have a great game v. Chicago and everyone will be happy for a day till he stinks it up again and everyone wants him cut. The bottom line is Joe is not elite. Expecting high impact from Joe nightly is not happening. Joe is a Robin, not a Batman.

[LastDon]

The Amnesty should have been used on Hinrich so we could have kept crawford...

[DJlaysitup]

Amnesty will only work if we were to get a rich owner. JJ gets all the money for his contract anyway - which is only fair.

(my take)

[Brotha2ThaNite]

Not happening but games like this make you want it to happen. Joe will be Joe. He will have a great game v. Chicago and everyone will be happy for a day till he stinks it up again and everyone wants him cut. The bottom line is Joe is not elite. Expecting high impact from Joe nightly is not happening. Joe is a Robber, not a Batman.

Fixed!

[MaceCase]

2013! 2013!!!

[Brotha2ThaNite]

So the Hawks can cut him before the season starts....., he will still get his money but it won't go against the Hawks' salary cap? Is that how it works?

Edited January 6, 2012 by Brotha2ThaNite

[Brotha2ThaNite]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't amnesty apply to players that the organization originally drafted? In the Hawks case, the candidates would be Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.

Joe Johnson came to Hawks via trade from the Phoenix Suns in 2005.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I hope this is not true.

[Guest]

no...the player only has to be on the team at the tirme the current CBA was signed. remember Arenas was amnestied by Orlando, they didn't draft him

Edited January 6, 2012 by JayBirdHawk

[Plainview1981]

Not happening but games like this make you want it to happen. Joe will be Joe. He will have a great game v. Chicago and everyone will be happy for a day till he stinks it up again and everyone wants him cut. The bottom line is Joe is not elite. Expecting high impact from Joe nightly is not happening. Joe is a Robin, not a Batman.

Joe is a 16/3/4 type player now... That with poor shooting. He will not even be an NBA starter for much longer. His game is declining at a rapid rate.

[Popeye]

This should be Joes last season with Hawks... We need to move on....

[Diesel]

I beleive we make one more run with Joe... after getting Howard. IF it doesn't end up as championship or if we don't resign Howard, we amnesty Joe. Joe would likely get resigned next season and that's money that our owners won't have to pay him. Hinrich has an ending contract, no freakin way do you amnesty him. Plus, he's good at what he does.

[DrReality]

Owners won't do it. It would be admitting they screwed up

[AHF]

Here is how amnesty works.

First, the people who can be amnestied are only those who were under contract with the team trying to amnesty them at the time the CBA was signed. So JJ qualifies as long as the Hawks have him (if he is traded his new team can't use amnesty on him).

Second, you have to pay the amnestied player every penny of his contract with one exception. The amnestied player goes into an auction where only teams under the cap can bid on him. Every dollar they bid is a dollar they pay instead of the Hawks. So JJ is set to make $19,752,645 next season. If the Hawks cut him via amnesty and a team under the cap bids $6M for him, the Hawks only owe him $13,752,645 for next year. It is the same for the rest of his contract although I am not certain how bidding works (if it is $6M per year or if they can bid different amounts for future years).

Third, you get cap relief from cutting the player but you don't necessarily get to use the full amount of his contract towards signing new free agents. Next season the Hawks have:

$60,921,972 in salaries committed to 6 players

If they fill 7 spots with minimum salaries of $762,195, it pushes the total cap committment to:

$66,257,337 for 13 players

If the league's economic projections hold steady, the cap will increase to $60M for 2012-13.

If we cut Joe Johnson via amnesty and he is won by a bid of $6M, it will reduce our cap by $19,752,645 and bring the "JJ Amnestied Cap Number" to 46,504,692 which will free up a total of $13,495,308 to spend onfree agents. If you go after a "star" then that means a roster of:

Jeff Teague/Minimum Salary

$13.5M Player/Minimum Salary

Marvin Williams/Minimum Salary

Josh Smith/Minimum salary

Al Horford/Zaza Pachulia

11-13: Minimum salary players

For this roster, the owners will pay:

$60M + $13,752,645 = $73,752,645

If the owners use the MLE or something to increase that payroll, the total amount they are paying will be closer to $80 million.

For reference, here are the types of players that you could have gotten for $13.5M this offseason:

Nene

Caron Butler + JJ Barea

Grant Hill + Glen Davis

Carl Landry + Jonas Jerebko

etc.

* * * *

Are the owners going to be willing to pay JJ for not playing for them and sign up to an amnestied payroll structure, not a prayer for 2012-13.

Edited January 6, 2012 by AHF

[BossTweed]

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance that our owners pay Joe Johnson 10+ million a year for 4 more years for him to play on a different team.

[benhillboy]

Are the owners going to be willing to pay JJ for not playing for them and sign up to an amnestied payroll structure, not a prayer for 2012-13.

Educational read, A. But you just crushed my dreams.

[AHF]

Educational read, A. But you just crushed my dreams.

If you want JJ gone, best hope is a team like Dallas deciding to go all-in and trading for him, IMO.

[Brotha2ThaNite]

Thanks for that info AHF! That helped a lot!

[coachx]

If you want JJ gone, best hope is a team like Dallas deciding to go all-in and trading for him, IMO.

and that is not a possiblity this year with Dallas................they are cutting payroll to go after D. Williams or Howard in FA this coming off season with a near max offer. So safe to say they are not looking to add payroll for the likes of a Joe Johnson.

They may give us some trashy contracts back like a Haywood + Marion combo.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/dallas-mavericks-team-salary

Our best hope is duping the Magic into taking JJ in part of a package for Howard..........but its not much of a hope.

Edited January 6, 2012 by coachx