Teague was dominated ALL night

[DJlaysitup]

The "killer thing" IMHO about our Hawks's talent evaluation is that we missed on CP3 - Mega Miss...and we missed on Deron - Moderately Mega Miss.

But we didn't even have the darn understanding to get a guy like Jarrett Jack. Local fools understood that JJack had an NBA ready body and would at least be average-to-better in the NBA right off the bat.

most recently JJack has gone:

17 points - 11 rebounds - 10 assists (yes - that is a triple double)

16 points - 5 rebounds - 6 assists

11 points - 2 rebounds - 5 assists

30 points - 3 rebounds - 6 assists.

I won't bore folks with down the line stats - just say that in the previous games he had 15,17,17, and 25 points.

That's 8 games so you can't say he was playing crappy competition the whole time/

Edited March 22, 2012 by DJlaysitup

[Guest]

I guess you all missed that Kirk was also guarding Kyrie on his last two possessions in regulation. Kirk actually picked off Teague and Kyrie blew right pass Kirk for the layup. On the next Cavs possession it was all Kirk and he got beat like a drum.

Edited March 22, 2012 by JayBirdHawk

[DJlaysitup]

Kyrie will likely get 9 girls pregnant ("ooh - I swear I was using the patch - it didn't work baby - you are so strong honey") and fade into obscurity. He will end up sleeping on a couch.

Edited March 22, 2012 by DJlaysitup

[thecampster]

Honestly, Teague should feel like he got a bargain. Usually a young man has to pay extra to get dominated like that.

[Diesel]

Sadly this seems to be a common theme as Teague has trouble defending athletic PG's. I honestly think the talent is there for Teague to be a good defender but he either doesn't have the desire or more likely he doesn't have the proper coaching.

Hold on to your britches...Have you considered that Irving is going to be a major star in this league. It's like blaming Marvin for not being able to stop Lebron.

Ramon Sessions is sure looking good tonight for the Lakers right now. He has 12 points and 7 assist with two minutes left in the half. He also has a plus minus of +21. I think the Hawks are going to regret not making that trade. I think he's better than Teague and we probably could have gotten some value for Teague at the deadline. Everybody loves that potential word. I would take a solid PG like Ramon that can distribute and make good choices all day.

If the Hawks screwed up the trade of Marvin for Sessions, Sund and his whole crew should be fired today.

[MaceCase]

Steals do not equal elite defense....not even close. Elite defense is shutting your man down...staying in front of him...preventing him from getting good shots or getting to the basket. Getting steals just mean that you take chances.

You must have missed my sarcasm. I was just emulating the usual fanboy protection tactics that go on around here. Start by calling anyone who criticizes one of their favorite exciting players a hater, then look to some stat that somehow proves that they are in fact nothing but a hater, lastly blame another player/coach. I've been critical of his supposed defensive abilities for years now but have always been told to shut up because he collects steals and blocks so therefore is the GOAT defensive specialist of the 21st century. Amazing how things like defensive fundamentals often get overlooked in favor of stats...

[smoove31210]

Steals do not equal elite defense....not even close. Elite defense is shutting your man down...staying in front of him...preventing him from getting good shots or getting to the basket. Getting steals just mean that you take chances.

Capstone hit the nail on the head...

[NineOhTheRino]

I'll humbly eat Crow on Teague. Early on I talked him up but not anymore. He has been mediocre at best. His lazy defense and lack of play making ability pretty much leaves him as a slightly better version of Acie Law.

I take that back. I will not eat crow. At the time I bumped for him he was playing very good ball. He was making plays and playing very good defense. He has simply regressed!

Edited March 22, 2012 by NineOhTheRino

[Sothron]

Sooo.... Kyrie Irvings suppose to be a walk in the park? Do you guys realize how many minutes Teague has played during the last couple days?? And I'm pretty sure Kyrie would do the same thing to any other guard with all those picks he had set. Top 10 in steals shows Teague is a good defender.

Sorry, usually agree with you on things but steals do not in any way translate into always being a good defender. Remember Iverson? People thought he was all world because he would play passing lanes but he got abused on a nightly basis by larger guards. Teague's defense has been like a yo yo this season. Some games his feet and body are moving great and some games like last night he looked incredibly awkward and gets abused.

[macdaddy]

Crazy. This is Teague's first year playing real minutes and he is starting and holding his own at point guard for a team that is starting 3 other guys who think they are point guards. I know he's not a rookie but I think we are seeing him hit a rookie wall. He's a quick energy guy and he's never had to bring it 5 nights a week for 3 months before. Some guys are great PGs right out of the gate but most have to get experience to be consistently good.

[BrazilianHawk]

Should I start a Teague appreciation thread? Goddess me, the boy had 12 points on 6-9 shooting, 7 assists and 4 steals while commiting only 1 turnover. SHOW SOME LOVE, FOLKS!If you take a look at Kyrie's stats throughout the season, you will see he's a freak of nature. However, he did have 7 turnovers last night, at least some of those must be credited as good defense by the Hawks.

[capstone21]

Teague needs to learn how to pass the Mayo

Are you OJ Mayo? Seriously?

Mayo is a good shooting guard in this league. He is a decent ball handler for his size but he doesn't have pg instincts and he is not a good defender anyway. He would be destroyed trying to defend these smaller quicker guards. Mayo is not the answer to our point guard needs. JT is a much better pg then him.

Mayo would be great as our fist guard coming off the bench but not as our starting point guard

[Admin]

On offense Teague does not need to use reflexes except when accepting a pass from someone else (which he fumbles a lot). When he has the ball, there are zero reflexes because he never reacts to someone else. Teague can dictate the direction and tempo when he has control. When he is on defense, Teague needs to respond. Its not that he responds by going left when his man goes right, its that his man goes right and...PAUSE...Teague goes right. I could see benefits of teaching him defense if it helps him anticipate, but to me that seems like a strange skill to teach. You either have it or you don't. Kirk is drastically slower than Teague but on defense it isn't even close, Kirk can react quickly and even anticipates where to be.

{when you read that post you need to make sure to say "PAUSE" in Borat's voice to get the full effect}

Say what?? Crossing someone over and taking them off the dribble is all about reacting to the defense being played on you and you have to have great reflexes to be able to make the moves quickly and crisply.

Maybe Teague is thinking too much on defense and that's why he seems to be so slow to react to the moves of these quicker PGs who seem to be able to abuse him? And guys it's not just Kyrie Irving, he's been abused by a lot of PGs this year who are not in Irving's league. Teague has a -1.2 PER rating this year at PG which compares his PER in each game vs his opposing PGs PER in that game. By comparison, Irving, who actually is a rookie (who only played 14 games in college), has a +3.0 PER vs his opponent and his opposing PGs are averaging.

How Teague stacks up against other PGs:

Derrick Rose +14.2

Chris Paul +11.5

Steve Nash +9.5

Louis Williams +8.7

Russell Westbrook +8.5

Rajon Rondo +6.9

Stephen Curry +6.0

John Wall +4.9

Ty Lawson +4.7

Tony Parker +4.2

Kyle Lowry +3.6

Jeremy Lin +3.3

Kyrie Irving +3.0

Deron Williams +2.8

Brandon Jennings +2.3

Mike Conley +2.2

Darren Collison +2.0

Mario Chalmers +1.4

------ 0 -------------

Jeff Teague -1.2

DJ Augustin -1.4

Ricky Rubio -1.5

Jrue Holliday -1.8

Jarrett Jack -3.3

Raymond Felton -4.0

Steve Blake -4.4

Jameer Nelson -4.9

OJ Mayo -7.6 (added this one for nbasuper)

[Sothron]

Why is OJ Mayo being talked about as point guard? Is this some kind of game chat joke?

[MaceCase]

Why is OJ Mayo being talked about as point guard? Is this some kind of game chat joke?

If you have a day to spend, search for Nbasuperstar + OJ Mayo. Laughter will ensue after the first 2 of 2,000 posts/threads.

[ATLSmith]

Must be bash Teague day...I thought he played a good game. Maybe you all would rather have Tyronn Lue or Anthony Johnson back on the team...

[txsting]

Kyrie Irving ate his lunch all night...he showcased what a PG is SUPPOSED to look like! I love his game!

I like Teague and think he's a decent option, but if we ever get the chance to move him and other assets for a legit PG, i hope we take it. His value is still high because he's viewed as all "upside". But that can change quickly. Maybe it already has.There was a time not too long ago that the Mavericks could have gotten a big haul for Rodrigue Beaubois. But they stubbornly clung to him, even though he was really unproven, and had only a couple breakout performances. Then he got himself hurt, and subsequently exposed when he finally did get more minutes. Now his trade value is minimal. It kind of like trading prospects for bats in MLB. Prospects don't often work out. The Braves have made tons of deals like this, and in only a few cases did we trade away someone we maybe regretted later (hi Jermaine Dye).

[smoove31210]

_{Don't get me wrong...Teague has had a "couple" of flashes in the past in games where we all thought he had turned the corner, but he reverts back to the Teague we all know majority of the time. Is he a victim of poor coaching?...perhaps. But maybe he is better suited as a backup point guard in this league.}

[Admin]

_{Don't get me wrong...Teague has had a "couple" of flashes in the past in games where we all thought he had turned the corner, but he reverts back to the Teague we all know majority of the time. Is he a victim of poor coaching?...perhaps. But maybe he is better suited as a backup point guard in this league.}

I think that Teague would excel in a role like Lou Williams has in Philly where he can come in and be all energy and take over the game with the 2nd unit. I just want to have a PG with excellent vision and passing ability to be starting for us and seeing guys like Irving make some of the passes that he does just makes me extremely jealous. Oh well I've gotten used to not having a great QB in Miami in forever and I've just about gotten used to not having a great PG in Atlanta.

[Kimsey]

Teague is owed an extenstion soon. Considering how many quality pgs there are, I believe whomever is the GM should play hardball with Teague. Something similar to Kyle Lowry's deal but slightly lower.Lowry was offered 4 years 24 million by the way. Like I've said before, worst case scenario he can be a solid back up to starter. He still has time to fine tune his game but we should keep all options open.