Moderators AHF Posted June 21, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) As we are getting ready to kick off this summer's draft, I thought I would throw this out there for a look bat at last season. I also thought it might be interesting to see where the win share totals came in for everyone who is interested in looking those up (available for free at http://www.basketball-reference.com/). Round 11 - Devon - Kevin Durant 2 - Supporter - Lebron James 3 - JayBirdHawk - Kyrie Irving 4 - Capstone - Chris Paul 5 - AHF - Dwight Howard 6 - sultanofatl - Andrew Bynum 7 - Diesel - Kevin Love 8 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Deron Williams 9 - Dolfan - Blake Griffin 10 - Mutombolievable - Russell Westbrook 11 - Alejandro09 - Derrick Rose 12 - Buzzard - DeMarcus Cousins 13 - jy23 - Rajon Rondo 14 - Nicholasp27 - Anthony Davis 15 - LethalWeapon3 - Ricky Rubio 16 - coachx - James HardenRound 2 17 - coachx - LaMarcus Aldridge 18 - LethalWeapon3 - Marc Gasol 19 - Nicholasp27 - Roy Hibbert 20 - jy23 - Dwyane Wade 21 - Buzzard - John Wall 22 - Alejandro09 - Al Horford 23 - Mutombolievable - Josh Smith 24 - Dolfan - Greg Monroe 25 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Carmelo Anthony 26 - Diesel - Ty Lawson 27 - sultanofatl - Kobe Bryant 28 - AHF - Tony Parker 29 - Capstone21 - Al Jefferson 30 - JayBirdHawk - Tyson Chandler 31 - Supporter - Pau Gasol 32 - Devon - Chris BoshRound 3 33 - Devon - Serge Ibaka 34 - Supporter - Joe Johnson 35 - JayBirdHawk - Dirk Nowitzki 36 - Capstone21 - Rudy Gay 37 - AHF - Andre Iguodala 38 - sultanofatl - Manu Ginobili 39 - Diesel - Marcin Gortat 40 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Demar Derozan 41 - Dolfan - Danny Granger 42 - Mutombolievable - Monta Ellis 43 - Alejandro09 - Paul George 44 - Buzzard - David Lee 45 - jy23 - Michael Kidd Gilchrist 46 - Nicholasp27 - Eric Gordon 47 - LethalWeapon3 - Amare Stoudemire 48 - coachx - Luol DengRound 4 49 - coachx - Stephen Curry 50 - LethalWeapon3 - Nicholas Batum 51 - Nicholasp27 - Danilo Gallinari 52 - jy23 - Paul Millsap 53 - Buzzard - Klay Thompson 54 - Alejandro09 - Joakim Noah 55 - Mutombolievable - Brook Lopez 56 - Dolfan - Brandon Jennings 57 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - David West 58 - Diesel - Aaron Afflalo 59 - sultanofatl - Ryan Anderson 60 - AHF - Kevin Garnett 61 - Capstone21 - Javale McGee 62 - JayBirdHawk - Kawhi Leonard 63 - Supporter - Nene Hilario 64 - Devon - Kyle LowryRound 5 65 - Devon - Tyreke Evans 66 - Supporter - Ersan Ilyasova 67 - JayBirdHawk - Marshon Brooks 68 - Capstone21 - Wesley Matthews 69 - AHF - Bradley Beal 70 - sultanofatl - Steve Nash 71 - Diesel - Paul Pierce 72 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Andrew Bogut 73 - Dolfan - Kenneth Faried 74 - Mutombolievable - Wilson Chandler 75 - Alejandro09 - Hold the Mayo 76 - Buzzard - Derrick Favors 77 - jy23 - Tim Duncan 78 - Nicholasp27 - Tristan Thompson 79 - LethalWeapon3 - Thomas Robinson 80 - coachx - DeAndre JordanRound 6 81 - coachx - Brandon Knight 82 - LethalWeapon3 - Brandon Rush 83 - Nicholasp27 - Jrue Holiday 84 - jy23 - Zach Randolph 85 - Buzzard - Michael Beasley 86 - Alejandro09 - Udonis Haslem 87 - Mutombolievable - Anderson Varejao 88 - Dolfan - Tony Allen 89 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Mike Conley 90 - Diesel - Jarrett Jack 91 - sultanofatl - Gerald Wallace 92 - AHF - Kevin Martin 93 - Capstone21 - Andrea Bargnani 94 - JayBirdHawk - Thaddeus Young 95 - Supporter - Goran Dragic 96 - Devon - Jordan CrawfordRound 7 97 - Devon - Andre Drummond 98 - Supporter - Nikola Pekovic 99 - JayBirdHawk - Kris Humphries 100 - Capstone21 - Evan Turner 101 - AHF - Carlos Boozer 102 - sultanofatl - Kendrick Perkins 103 - Diesel - Trevor Ariza 104 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Tayshaun Prince 105 - Dolfan - Jeremy Lin 106 - Mutombolievable - Iman Shumpert 107 - Alejandro09 - Devin Harris 108 - Buzzard - Chauncey Billups 109 - jy23 - Steve Novak 110 - Nicholasp27 - Avery Bradley 111 - LethalWeapon3 - Jonas Valančiūnas 112 - coachx - Harrison BarnesRound 8 113 - coachx - Spencer Hawes 114 - LethalWeapon3 - Jeff Teague 115 - Nicholasp27 - Damien Lillard 116 - jy23 - Ray Allen 117 - Buzzard - Jared Dudley 118 - Alejandro09 - Landry Fields 119 - Mutombolievable - Isaiah Thomas 120 - Dolfan - Tiago Splitter 121 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Tyler Zeller 122 - Diesel - JJ Hickson 123 - sultanofatl - Taj Gibson 124 - AHF - Enes Kanter 125 - Capstone21 - Raymond Felton 126 - JayBirdHawk - George Hill 127 - Supporter - Lou Williams 128 - Devon - Dorrell WrightRound 9 129 - Devon - Darren Collison 130 - Supporter - Marcus Thornton 131 - JayBirdHawk - Meyers Leonard 132 - Capstone21 - Samuel Dalembert 133 - AHF - Eric Bledsoe 134 - sultanofatl - Mario Chalmers 135 - Diesel - Emeka Okafor 136 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - J.R. Smith 137 - Dolfan - Danny Green 138 - Mutombolievable – Marvin Williams 139 - Alejandro09 - Gordon Hayward 140 - Buzzard - Jose Calderon 141 - jy23 - Zaza Pachulia 142 - Nicholasp27 - Shane Battier 143 - LethalWeapon3 - Kevin Seraphin 144 - coachx - Thabo SefoloshaRound 10 145 - coachx - Andre Miller 146 - LethalWeapon3 - Courtney Lee 147 - Nicholasp27 - Tom Thibodeau 148 - jy23 - Ramon Sessions 149 - Buzzard - Lamar Odom 150 - Alejandro09 - Gregg Popovich 151 - Mutombolievable - Omer Asik 152 - Dolfan - Doc Rivers 153 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Rick Carlisle 154 - Diesel - Nick Young 155 - sultanofatl - Derrick Williams 156 - AHF - Rodney Stuckey 157 - Capstone21 - Jerry Sloan 158 - JayBirdHawk - George Karl 159 - Supporter - Chandler Parsons 160 - Devon - Scott BrooksRound 11 161 - Devon - Brandon Bass 162 - Supporter - Phil Jackson 163 - JayBirdHawk - Kemba Walker 164 - Capstone21 - Alonzo Gee 165 - AHF - Chris Kaman 166 - sultanofatl - Jeff Van Gundy 167 - Diesel - Gerald Henderson 168 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Glen Davis 169 - Dolfan - Shawn Marion 170 - Mutombolievable – Stan Van Gundy 171 - Alejandro09 - Perry Jones III 172 - Buzzard - Reggie Evans 173 - jy23 - Larry Brown 174 - Nicholasp27 - John Jenkins 175 - LethalWeapon3 - Luc Richard Mbah a Moute 176 - coachx - Pat RileyRound 12 177 - coachx - Bismack Biyombo 178 - LethalWeapon3 - Kevin McHale 179 - Nicholasp27 - Mirza Teletovic 180 - jy23 - Gerald Green 181 - Buzzard - Jared Sullinger 182 - Alejandro09 - Nikola Vucevic 183 - Mutombolievable - Ed Davis 184 - Dolfan - Brandon Roy 185 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Channing Frye 186 - Diesel - Rick Adelman 187 - sultanofatl - Kyle Korver 188 - AHF - Jeff Green 189 - Capstone21 - Louis Scola 190 - JayBirdHawk - Jordan Hill 191 - Supporter - Jason Terry 192 - Devon - Chase BuddingerRound 13 193 - Devon - Caron Butler 194 - Supporter - Marcus Camby 195 - JayBirdHawk - DeJuan Blair 196 - Capstone21 - Ronnie Brewer 197 - AHF - Dion Waiters 198 - sultanofatl - Fab Melo 199 - Diesel - Hedo Turkoglu 200 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Anthony Morrow 201 - Dolfan - John Henson 202 - Mutombolievable – Greivis Vasquez 203 - Alejandro09 - Kendal Marshall 204 - Buzzard - Frank Vogel 205 - jy23 - Ivan Johnson 206 - Nicholasp27 - Boris Diaw 207 - LethalWeapon3 - Mike Dunleavy Jr. 208 - coachx - Jamal CrawfordRound 14 209 - coachx - Festus Ezeli 210 - LethalWeapon3 - Luke Ridnour 211 - Nicholasp27 - Scott Machado 212 - jy23 - Nick Collison 213 - Buzzard - Antawn Jamison 214 - Alejandro09 - JJ Redick 215 - Mutombolievable - Al Farouq Aminu 216 - Dolfan - Austin Rivers 217 - PSSSHHHRRR87 - Tyler Hansborough 218 - Diesel - Byron Mullen 219 - sultanofatl - Grant Hill 220 - AHF - Larry Bird 221 - Capstone21 - Amir Johnson 222 - JayBirdHawk - Corey Brewer 223 - Supporter - DJ Augustine 224 - Devon - Jason Thompson Edited June 21, 2013 by Dolfan23 Fixed link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 21, 2013 Author Moderators Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Coach: Larry "Legend" Bird PG: Tony Parker* (9.3) / Eric Bledsoe (4.7) / Rodney Stuckey (no double counting) SG: Kevin Martin (7.0) / Bradley Beal (3.0) / Rodney Stuckey (2.5) / Dion Waiters (0.9) SF: Andre Iguodala (5.6) / Jeff Green (4.7) PF: Kevin Garnett* (5.6) / Carlos Boozer (5.7) C: Dwight Howard* (7.6) / Enes Kanter (2.3) / Chris Kaman (1.6)* = 2013 All-Star Total WS: 60.5 Looking at my squad, I still think this team would have been a contender. It would have been elite defensively with a frontcourt of Iggy, Garnett and Howard leading the way. It would have been an excellent rebounding team and had plenty of good perimeter shooting with Martin, Beal, and Green to stretch the floor. Parker would have been able to penetrate and dish to Howard down low, Iggy slashing, Garnett in the high post, or Martin on the perimeter. The second unit would hold up well with Boozer providing the offense in the post, Kanter (a top rebounder per minute) supporting down low, Green having a career season offensively, Bledsoe disrupting on D, and Beal coming around quickly into a top perimeter shooter. The squad suffered through some injuries but by the time the playoffs started the only regular who was hurting was Kanter and Chris Kaman put up 18 pp36 and 10 rp36 so we had another big body just itching to get in anyway. This team has great versatility and good depth and would have been a handful for anyone in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 The Dolfan Dynasty Team - 2012 (with 9th picks in odd rounds, 8th pick in even rounds) PG - Brandon Jennings (5.8) / Jeremy Lin (5.4)SG - Tony Allen (5.1) / Brandon Roy (-0.1) / Austin Rivers (-1.1)SF - Danny Green (5.9) / Shawn Marion (5.3) / Danny Granger (-0.1 - Injured)PF - Blake Griffin* (10.6) / Kenneth Faried (7.8) / John Henson (1.9)C - Tiago Splitter (8.2) / Greg Monroe (5.9) * = 2013 All-Star Coach: Doc Rivers Total Win Shares: 60.7Total Salary: $63.5 million My team had a major injury to Danny Granger and he ended up missing the season, which caused me to have to shuffle my lineup and move Danny Green to SF while starting Tony Allen at SG. The problem there was that my backup SG Brandon Roy also missed almost the entire season and his backup, rookie Austin Rivers, started off very poorly and didn't improve much on that. I was pleasantly surprised at how well Kenneth Faried and Tiago Splitter played off the bench for me and in fact Splitter did so well that he ended up surpassing my most disappointing player, Greg Monroe, who was my starting C and 2nd round pick. Clearly my weakness was among my guards this year while my front court carried me. I will have to get on my coach, Doc Rivers, for not getting more out of those guards and especially his rookie son. But overall we did pretty well, considering we were under the luxury tax and had season long injuries to our starting SF (3rd round pick) and backup SG plus a disappointing season from our 2nd round pick C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted June 21, 2013 Admin Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Its http://www.basketball-reference.com actually and I believe this has already been done previously 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Its http://www.basketball-reference.com actually and I believe this has already been done previouslyI was just about to say that half my squad was not on the site.Thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I was just about to say that half my squad was not on the site.Thanks for the correction. That was the old website URL, if I remember correctly. Not sure why they still have it up since it hasn't been updated in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Its http://www.basketball-reference.com actually and I believe this has already been done previously It was sorta done and was only after the halfway point of the season. I think some people did win shares and others, like me, did EWA (estimated wins added). I wish there were an easy way to do this without looking up each individual player one at a time since I know most of the teams won't go back and do this as it takes about 20 minutes to complete, but it would still be interesting to see how the season ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I wish there were an easy way to do this without looking up each individual player one at a time since I know most of the teams won't go back and do this as it takes about 20 minutes to complete, but it would still be interesting to see how the season ended. I will do this once I get home. I Don't think I will be a top team but it will be a good refresher on my good and bad picks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Antawn Jamison 4.3 , Jared Sullinger 2.7 , Reggie Evans 4.3 , Lamar Odom 2.7 , Jose Calderon 7.4 , Jared Dudley 4.8 , Chauncey Billups 1.3 , Michael Beasley -1.5 , Derrick Favors 4.4 , Klay Thompson 4.3 , David Lee 9.1 , John Wall 4.5 , DeMarcus Cousins 4.4 Four picks cost me dearly. Sullinger 2.7, Odom 2.7, Billups 1.3, and Beasley at a - 1.5 My rooks only did average in my opinion and I really expected more out of Wall 4.5 and Cousins 4.4. Its is exactly what it is though. WS 52.7 That's really tough! Who would have thought that David Lee would have been your best player and that Calderon would have been your 2nd best? What rounds were those guys picked in? I'm surprised that Klay Thompsons numbers weren't higher since he was a big part of a team that won a good amount of games. Cousins could have been better but his team was pretty bad so there weren't a lot of wins to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Antawn Jamison 4.3 , Jared Sullinger 2.7 , Reggie Evans 4.3 , Lamar Odom 2.7 , Jose Calderon 7.4 , Jared Dudley 4.8 , Chauncey Billups 1.3 , Michael Beasley -1.5 , Derrick Favors 4.4 , Klay Thompson 4.3 , David Lee 9.1 , John Wall 4.5 , DeMarcus Cousins 4.4 Four picks cost me dearly. Sullinger 2.7, Odom 2.7, Billups 1.3, and Beasley at a - 1.5 My rookie deals/contracts only did average in my opinion and I really expected more out of Wall 4.5 and Cousins 4.4. Its is exactly what it is though. WS 52.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 That's really tough! Who would have thought that David Lee would have been your best player and that Calderon would have been your 2nd best? What rounds were those guys picked in? I'm surprised that Klay Thompsons numbers weren't higher since he was a big part of a team that won a good amount of games. Cousins could have been better but his team was pretty bad so there weren't a lot of wins to go around. I don't care what stat system you use, Lee is a fantasy beast and Calderon is the most under rated and bashed PG in the NBA. My list above is in opposite draft order. My bottom half starting with Calderon did as well as my top half due mostly to where I took Beasely and Billups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucastheThird Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I'm still confident that I drafted a competitive team even without any production from D. Rose. I also drafted some rookies and it's kinda hard to say they would do well in my team when they haven't had much pt. Here's how my team compares using OWS, DWS, and WS PG-Derrick Rose (0-injured), Devin Harris (1.8 1.5 3.3), Kendall Marshall (-0.4 0.2 -0.2)SG-OJ Mayo (2.8 1.3 4.2), Gordon Hayward (4.2 1.2 5.4) JJ Reddick (4.0 0.5 4.5)SF- Paul George (6.1 11.4 9.0) Landry Fields (9.8)PF- Al Horford (4.7 4.1 8.8) Udonis Haslem (1.2 2.0 3.2) Perry Jones III (-0.4 0.4 0.0)C- Joakim Noah (2.7 4.7 7.3) Nikola Vucevic (2.8 2.9 5.7) Calculating the WS that comes out to 61 win shares without my best player Derrick Rose. You add on top of this my coach Gregg Popovich, who is known for getting the best out of all his players and I look for my team to compete on a yearly basis. With D. Rose hurt the first year, we were a first maybe second round playoff bounce; but with him healthy this looks like a Finals team to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted June 22, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Head Coach: Rick Carisle Starters: C – Andrew Bogut PF – David West SF – Carmelo Anthony SG – Demar DeRozan PG – Deron Williams Bench: SG – J.R. Smith PG – Mike Conley SF – Tayshaun Prince PF – Tyler Hansbrough C – Tyler Zeller SG – Anthony Morrow PF – Glen Davis PF – Channing Frye Salary for Starters: $63 mil Salary for Bench: $37.6 mil I feel I have a great team albeit an expensive one. I feel that 80% of my players are great, two-way players that can play multiple positions. I have a team that is great in the low-post with Bogut and West while still having a backcourt that is capable of three point shooting and drive-and-kick/finish action. PnR is deadly with Williams and West. On top of it all is my number one guy Carmelo Anthony who is the top scorer in the league. Having Carmelo’s scoring ability backed by the ability of the drive-and-kick/finish, PnR, 3 pt shooting, and great low-post offense, we are one of the most dominate offensive teams in the league. We are good on the defensive end as well. Bogut anchors the defense, but it all starts with our back court. Williams is a good defender that is a thief while DeRozan is the fastest vertical defender in the league. Our bench is one of the top benches in the league. We have the sixth man of the year in J.R. Smith who is a very capable scorer and defender and would be a starter on numerous other teams. We also have a backup PG in Conley that when in the game, we feel we lose nothing. Prince is the best defender on the team and we have hustle guys in Davis and Hansbrough that adds toughness to the team. Our best 3pt shooter is Morrow. I feel this team has just a few flaws: [*]Backup center [*]Number one guy is ball-dominant [*]Bench is made up of mostly hustle players, no real offense [*]Lack of a third PG [*]A lot of salary for a team that is mid-tier at best defensivelyAfter season review: Eight of the thirteen guys on my roster not made it to the playoffs this year. Of those eight, seven made it to the second round while four made it to the conference finals. I took a little bit of a gamble on one of my favorite young players in the league, Demar DeRozan, by drafting him high in the third round and I feel it paid off tremendously. J.R. Smith was the sixth man of the year and Carmelo Anthony was the league’s scoring champion. I feel I have the best Big 3 in the league with Anthony, Williams, and West. All in all, I am happy with my team and feel that this is a championship caliber for as long as the ownership can afford it. Likely, we would end up moving some of our top dollar aged talent (i.e, David West and Andrew Bogut) for expiring contracts (i.e. Pau Gasol) to make this team more affordable and reduce tax penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I drafted for the future and did pretty wellLillard was a steal so i now have 2 good pgs in him and jrue for depth or tradesUnibrow played well for his first season and is looking brightHibbert showed his value in playoffsGallinari beasted until injury and then self-healed last month so no longer needs surgeryGordon just needs to be uninjured at some pointMy core for the future is bright:Lillard/JrueGordon/JenkinsGalloBrow/TristanHibbertDiaw/Battier are just filler for now, not the future Thibs is an awesome coach, ldo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted June 22, 2013 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 My team Sucked... by win/shares... Love = 1.0Lawson = 7.4Gortat = 3.4Afflalo = 2.0Pierce = 7.2Jack = 5.6Ariza = 3.1Hickson = 6.9Okafor = 4.5Young = 2.3Henderson = 3.3Turk = -0.5Mullen = 0.1 I was surprised by Mullen of all people. He scores about 11 ppg and pulls down about 6.5 rpg... Not bad but this guy shoots a worse percentage than me... drunk. My total was 46.3. I think Rick Adelman could get something out of these guys. Maybe he could use Young or get Gortat to do something. IF Love didn't get injured, I think he would have added about 10 more win shares so that would have been respectable but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Win Shares is severely flawed here unless we find some type of standard to modify them by. For example on my team Monroe had a much better season than Splitter but because the Spurs won 58 games vs the Pistons winning 29, which made it appear like Splitter had the better season due to there being a lot more win shares to split up. So maybe there should be some type of standard, whatever you math guys call it, to where you multiply the teams wins by a number to give them 82 wins and then you take that number and multiply the players win shares by that amount. That way each team has 82 wins and player win shares are increased proportionately. Does that type of thing make sense to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted June 23, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Win Shares is severely flawed here unless we find some type of standard to modify them by.For example on my team Monroe had a much better season than Splitter but because the Spurs won 58 games vs the Pistons winning 29, which made it appear like Splitter had the better season due to there being a lot more win shares to split up. So maybe there should be some type of standard, whatever you math guys call it, to where you multiply the teams wins by a number to give them 82 wins and then you take that number and multiply the players win shares by that amount. That way each team has 82 wins and player win shares are increased proportionately. Does that type of thing make sense to do? It does, but we'll see if someone takes initiative to do so. More math than I care to do at the moment... lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 23, 2013 Author Moderators Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Win Shares is severely flawed here unless we find some type of standard to modify them by.For example on my team Monroe had a much better season than Splitter but because the Spurs won 58 games vs the Pistons winning 29, which made it appear like Splitter had the better season due to there being a lot more win shares to split up. So maybe there should be some type of standard, whatever you math guys call it, to where you multiply the teams wins by a number to give them 82 wins and then you take that number and multiply the players win shares by that amount. That way each team has 82 wins and player win shares are increased proportionately. Does that type of thing make sense to do? I am pretty sure these are the main reasons: Splitter .609 TS%Monroe .527 TS% Splitter 12.7% turnover %Monroe 16% turnover % Given the levels of production aren't hugely different on a per minute basis (17 and 10 versus 15 and 9), the finishing and turnovers make a big difference. (Spiltter was also the superior shot blocker during his minutes which is likely a bigger factor on team defense than steals where Monroe is quite good). This is the same reason Monroe wasn't an impact fantasy player this year. His shooting fell off a cliff last season and he had a career high TO rate (and total number). If he rebounds to the .570 TS% level of his first two seasons, he will have a much high WS number. In fact, just look at his WS/48 number. It went from .161 to .105 despite the Pistons winning 4 more games last season. The WS drop is a factor of Monroe's play much more than team wins and Splitter looks great due to his great efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lethalweapon3 Posted June 23, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) The 2012-2013 Lethal Pelicans (30-52) suffered a complete power outage at the power forward position, which was especially disconcerting when considering the reputation of the head coach. The ticking time bombs known as Amare Stoudemire’s knees went off at the start and the end of the season, making him a virtual non-entity. After a promising finish to 2011-2012, Kevin Seraphin flopped as spectacularly as any young veteran post player in the league, showing no polish to his robotic offense and literal nonchalance on defense. Lotto pick rookie Thomas Robinson proved that, thus far, he can do nothing productive with his hands, aside from rebounding the ball. His turnovers and subpar shooting compelled McHale to keep him benched at the close of the season. Between Seraphin and Robinson, there is much more hope in the latter developing his game in a positive direction going forward, particularly on Kevin McHale’s watch. Those failures at the four spot were satisfyingly offset by the centers. All-NBA Second Teamer Marc Gasol has become as balanced and strong as a floor leader as any big man you’ll find in the league right now. Jonas Valanciunas emerged after a mid-season injury, surprising many with an aggressive approach to his offensive game and making the All-Rookie Second Team. Looking ahead, this team will be hard-pressed to find a way to keep both players on the floor. Twin Ivory Towers, anyone? (Don’t abbreviate that.) Ricky Rubio provided flashes of stardom throughout the season, but the L-Pels’ top pick was ultimately too unsteady to regain the starting point guard spot away from Jeff Teague. Teague himself was inconsistent but exhibited his best regular season as a young pro. Playing through chronic injuries, Luke Ridnour was perhaps overutilized at the shooting guard spot alongside Rubio and Teague. Pushed to the forefront after the injury that short-circuited Brandon Rush’s season, Courtney Lee struggled out of the gate at shooting guard and disappointingly lost confidence as the season wore on. Mike Dunleavy’s perimeter shooting was a career-best, but he served mostly as a band-aid for an erratic young Pelicans offense. That offense was emblemized by Nic Batum, who had a high usage rate (especially jacking up threes) but a low production volume. A lack of assertiveness still dogs him on a team that sorely could have used more, but he did improve as a secondary passer this season. Like Dunleavy on offense, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute served as a defensive band-aid, but like Ridnour was overutilized and fought injuries all season. Much of the growth for this team will come from within, especially during summer league, training camp, and offseason conditioning and development. But major draft help is needed at the 2 and 4 positions to allow the Pelicans to improve the quality of its depth and compete next season. 2012-13 LETHAL PELICANS aPER: 14.38 70% EWA: 30.1 sigmaWS: 45.5 PLAYER (Tm/Overall Draft Pick) [PER/EWA/WS] – Could’ve Taken: RICKY RUBIO (1st/15th) [16.20/4.4/3.0] – James Harden MARC GASOL (2nd/18th) [19.57/12.5/11.5] – N/A AMARE STOUDEMIRE (3rd/47th) [22.16/3.6/2.7] – Stephen Curry NICOLAS BATUM (4th/50th) [15.76/7.3/5.8] – David West THOMAS ROBINSON (5th/79th) [10.97/-0.3/-0.1] – DeAndre Jordan BRANDON RUSH (6th/82nd) [12.00/0.0/0.0] – injured – Jrue Holiday JONAS VALANCIUNAS (7th/111th) [15.62/3.7/3.9] – Harrison Barnes JEFF TEAGUE (8th/114th) [16.82/7.6/6.1] – Damien Lillard KEVIN SERAPHIN (9th/143rd) [10.37/-1.0/0.1] – Thabo Sefolosha COURTNEY LEE (10th/146th) [11.71/1.2/3.3] – Coach Greg Popovich LUC RICHARD MBAH A MOUTE (11th/175th) [9.09/-1.6/0.5] – Bismack Biyombo COACH KEVIN MCHALE (12th/) – Nikola VucevicMIKE DUNLEAVY (13th/207th) [13.64/3.0/4.4] – Jamal CrawfordLUKE RIDNOUR (14th/210th) [13.07/2.6/4.3] – Corey BrewerRotation:JTeague/Rubio/RidnourDunleavy/CLee/Rush (inj.)Batum/Mbah a MouteStoudemire/TRobinson/SeraphinMGasol/ValanciunasMcHale (Coach) All-Could’ve Taken Team: StCurry/Holiday/LillardHarden/SefoloshaHBarnes/CBrewerDWest/JordanMGasol/Vucevic/BiyomboPopovich (Coach) ~lw3 Edited June 23, 2013 by lethalweapon3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jy23 Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 I'm not even going to do mine since my number 1 pick got hurt mid way through the year, I just know I wouldnt win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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