Teague and Schröder

[ATLHawks3]

Its not Teague vs Schröder. Its Teague and Schröder. There is nothing wrong with having Teague ( who is playing lights out better than Jennings or Jrue right now ) and Schröder as our back up. Now we just need a SG/SF type who can score and guard their position. Not one ( score ) or the other ( guard ).

The only person who can do that outside of Lebron, Melo, & Durant is Chandler Parsons. That is the perfect Small Forward to have on this team. He's young, cheap, a deadly shooter, outstanding defender, and is an all out hustle guy. For all those who think Rudy Gay would put this team over the top, then we might as well have kept Joe Johnson.

[NBASupes]

Teague improved.

His passing is better. Not good but better.

He understands the game.

He can be very aggressive.

He is a good player.

He still has limited PG skills and I am not impressed at all in him.

Dennis looks like a young Gary Payton.

I hear Rondo but Dennis has more build than Rondo and his game is more based around all around skill than just running an offense and passing.

Dennis seems to really play like GP.

He can do it all.

He got that mindset GP had and the same skill-set.

I really don't like the Rondo comparison because I really felt Rondo could have been a bust in most situations.

Dennis like GP was going to be great anywhere.

Jeff and Paul will likely be traded.

I can see one of them getting traded for Asik.

It's going to happen sooner than later.

Just the way it is.

[jmac54]

Hey if you guys are fine with being a mediocre .500 team thats basically still in limbo and hasnt really changed much since the Joe era then thats fine...Im not fine with being a 6-8 seed for the next 6 years again.....were not getting any big names to come to Atlanta ever and building through the draft will take too long because Horford and Milsap are in the primes of there career now.....this is when you need to fill the SF hole and give up a good player in return. But you have depth at PG which makes Teague are biggest trading piece over Milsap...theres not much depth at PF for us....but with Teague you have Denis and Lou when he gets back which makes Teague expendable....re signing him was a bad move by Ferry....i dont care if Teague plays well....it was not a smart move...we dont need him because we have depth at PG. But hey if you guys are fine with possibly making the playoffs or getting a shitty lottery pick then cool.

[jy23]

Danny Ferry does and that's all that matters.

With our weaknesses at sf and sg I'm not so sure about that. I've been MIA for awhile and haven't really been keeping up with much this offseason but what exactly did he say about the playoffs? What are his plans with this team?

[MaceCase]

With our weaknesses at sf and sg I'm not so sure about that. I've been MIA for awhile and haven't really been keeping up with much this offseason but what exactly did he say about the playoffs? What are his plans with this team?

Let me just summarize every Ferry news conference for you then:

"Compete, compete, compete. Flexibility, flexibility, flexibility."

His words and his actions have made it clear that he has every intention of keeping the team competitive for the playoffs while still maintaining flexibility for the future with short and/or manageable deals. We can't pretend that he hasn't addressed the SG/SF positions either when Jenkins, Louis, Korver, Carroll and then even Cartier and Cunningham are all Ferry acquisitions.

Just because they aren't sexy names to some fans or are currently injured doesn't mean that the methodology behind his moves isn't clear. He's not going to placate people by burning hundreds of millions on mediocre players with big names, he's going to follow the metrics and find all of the bangs for his buck and when that true difference maker does shakes loose, he feels confident that he'll at least be in the position to chase them with both cap space and/or assets.

That's the Hawks in a nutshell. Now it has been argued ad nauseam already on this board about what Ferry should do with compelling arguments from every side but again, the only direction that matters is the one that the GM and owners want to move in so here we are.

[jy23]

Let me just summarize every Ferry news conference for you then: "Compete, compete, compete. Flexibility, flexibility, flexibility." His words and his actions have made it clear that he has every intention of keeping the team competitive for the playoffs while still maintaining flexibility for the future with short and/or manageable deals. We can't pretend that he hasn't addressed the SG/SF positions either when Jenkins, Louis, Korver, Carroll and then even Cartier and Cunningham are all Ferry acquisitions. Just because they aren't sexy names to some fans or are currently injured doesn't mean that the methodology behind his moves isn't clear. He's not going to placate people by burning hundreds of millions on mediocre players with big names, he's going to follow the metrics and find all of the bangs for his buck and when that true difference maker does shakes loose, he feels confident that he'll at least be in the position to chase them with both cap space and/or assets. That's the Hawks in a nutshell. Now it has been argued ad nauseam already on this board about what Ferry should do with compelling arguments from every side but again, the only direction that matters is the one that the GM and owners want to move in so here we are.

I couldn't care less about big names or spending a lot of money...I want to win championships just like I'm sure you do. Our weaknesses at sf and sg have nothing to do with their names....Kyle korver is a liability defensively on the wing even tho he gives great effort and he's not very good at creating his own shot which is needed from the wing. Carroll and Martin both are below average offensively but again give good effort and hustle. Point is this team isn't winnibg us a championship neither is making a few tweaks to it like some people have suggested with trading for a guy like Gay or Parsons. I don't see in any way how making the playoffs this year helps this team out...stockpile as many assets as possible, that includes high draft picks, and keep that flexibility that you said he keeps preaching. I'll leave it alone tho since you said its already been talked about.

[Buzzard]

The only person who can do that outside of Lebron, Melo, & Durant is Chandler Parsons. That is the perfect Small Forward to have on this team. He's young, cheap, a deadly shooter, outstanding defender, and is an all out hustle guy. For all those who think Rudy Gay would put this team over the top, then we might as well have kept Joe Johnson.

Defense and especially team defense can be taught. Being athletic and tall enough to play your position cannot be taught. Scoring is a mindset but shooting ( jumpers ) is a skill that a lot of today's SG/SF's lack.

Evan Turner comes to mind and the young man will get paid next season if he continues his breakout. Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, and pre-injury Danny Granger come to mind.

I am not talking about a superman, Bron, type basketball player; I am talking about a well rounded basketball player. They are very hard to find; especially at the SG/SF position. Aminu is the perfect example of a one dimensional defensive SF. He has all the tools but can't shoot a lick.

I know I am asking for a lot; as SF IMO is the weakest overall position in the NBA. But when you dream of championships; it requires a lot.

[NBASupes]

The draft has about five SF with All Star potential this year.

[MaceCase]

I couldn't care less about big names or spending a lot of money...I want to win championships just like I'm sure you do. Our weaknesses at sf and sg have nothing to do with their names....Kyle korver is a liability defensively on the wing even tho he gives great effort and he's not very good at creating his own shot which is needed from the wing. Carroll and Martin both are below average offensively but again give good effort and hustle. Point is this team isn't winnibg us a championship neither is making a few tweaks to it like some people have suggested with trading for a guy like Gay or Parsons.I don't see in any way how making the playoffs this year helps this team out...stockpile as many assets as possible, that includes high draft picks, and keep that flexibility that you said he keeps preaching. I'll leave it alone tho since you said its already been talked about.

Revenue is a big way the playoffs help the team. The Hawks lost money in each of the last few years the team was in the playoffs so imagine the fear a cash strapped ownership would have over the prospect of a losing season(s). Fans aren't going to pull an inverse trend and show up more often to a loser and the memory of the echoes throughout Phillips during the 13 win season is still fresh in many's minds.

Listen, you're preaching to the choir but fact is Ferry follows a different school of thought. There are precedents and studies available out there in the Rockets, Mavericks and statistics that it's easier to jump from mediocre to contending than horrible to contending that support his position so he's not exactly standing on the ledge of some new thought.

Additionally, the system that Ferry comes from in San Antonio doesn't emphasize creation from the wings at all to be successful. The PG and PF/C do that with an extra body 6th man off the bench also being able to initiate so obviously he feels that the combo of Carroll and Korver can fulfill the staple roles of "3 and D". This is why I mention the "methodology", he knows the system he wants, the players that fit it and he got the coach who can implement it.

The plan is as clear as day, I even forgot about his 3rd buzzword, "culture". He's not going to build a winning culture by playing roulette in the lottery. He's going to bring in his proven vets, have them continue to win even if there's a slim chance they'll ever contend and hope that when a pick or player he identifies as that missing piece pops up, that teams will say "oh we'd love a 20 and 8 bigman on a great contract!" or "we'd love a 3 point specialist hitting 62% from 3, 58% from the field!" or "we'd love to have a 17 and 9 young PG!". That's the other side of asset accumulation.

[Peoriabird]

Teague improved.

His passing is better. Not good but better.

He understands the game.

He can be very aggressive.

He is a good player.

He still has limited PG skills and I am not impressed at all in him.

Dennis looks like a young Gary Payton.

I hear Rondo but Dennis has more build than Rondo and his game is more based around all around skill than just running an offense and passing.

Dennis seems to really play like GP.

He can do it all.

He got that mindset GP had and the same skill-set.

I really don't like the Rondo comparison because I really felt Rondo could have been a bust in most situations.

Dennis like GP was going to be great anywhere.

Jeff and Paul will likely be traded.

I can see one of them getting traded for Asik.

It's going to happen sooner than later.

Just the way it is.

You might want to rethink things a little. Just a suggestion.

[Bonkers]

Jeff has no competition right now

Cuz Dennis can't shoot WORTH A DAMN!!!

[NBASupes]

You might want to rethink things a little. Just a suggestion.

Dennis looked like buttcheeks tonight, Jeff played exactly like i said.

[jy23]

Yeah San Antonio's system is great if you have possibly the greatest power foward to ever play the game. Let me put it like this....Miami is at the top now, they DRAFTED Dwayne wade and bc of him got the team that they have now. They just beat San Antonio in the finals who DRAFTED their entire base of their team starting with a great lottery pick in Tim Duncan....they beat OKC the year before who DRAFTED their entire base starting with a lottery pick in Kevin Durant....the Indiana pacers are coming...they DRAFTED their base except David west. The team that beat Miami in Dallas DRAFTED dirk nowitzki and then made smart moves around him. If ferry wants to compete and try to tinker along the way I have no choice but to be with him but I think we should approach this differently.

[Peoriabird]

Dennis looked like buttcheeks tonight, Jeff played exactly like i said.

Give it up dude...Teague was 3rd in the league in assist going into tonight and will most likely move up after a 13 assist night tonight.

[NBASupes]

Give it up dude...Teague was 3rd in the league in assist going into tonight and will most likely move up after a 13 assist night tonight.

Eric Bledsoe is up there too, neither are good passers. There is running an offense and creating compared to getting assists because you run PnP's and pass to shooters all night. I could care less about assists. I watch Conley, he get limited assists and he is a superior PG to Jeffery. As for Dennis, he looked like crap tonight.

Give me Mike Conley 100 out of 100 times compared to Jeff Teague. No comparison.

[Peoriabird]

Give me Mike Conley 100 out of 100 times compared to Jeff Teague. No comparison.

Your blind hatred knows no boundaries!

[Atlantaholic]

Your blind hatred knows no boundaries!

Lolol... he isn't a good point guard because he's running the pick and roll with Horford and Millsap to perfection. Hater logic at its finest.

Our team is the second best offensive team in the eastern conference and will probably lead the NBA in assists after tonight but our PG "is not a good passer". Seems legit. Same guy who said Schröder was hands down already better than Teague after a few summer league games... what's there more to say?

[Bonkers]

Lolol... he isn't a good point guard because he's running the pick and roll with Horford and Millsap to perfection. Hater logic at its finest.

Our team is the second best offensive team in the eastern conference and will probably lead the NBA in assists after tonight but our PG "is not a good passer". Seems legit. Same guy who said Schröder was hands down already better than Teague after a few summer league games... what's there more to say?

I guess he's gonna bash John Stockton next lol

Edited November 10, 2013 by Bonkers

[Atlantaholic]

I guess he's gonna bash John Stockton next lol

Chris Paul got the majority of his assists in New Orleans running pick and pops with David West. Clearly he hadn't learned to pass "good" yet.

[MaceCase]

Yeah San Antonio's system is great if you have possibly the greatest power foward to ever play the game.

Let me put it like this....Miami is at the top now, they DRAFTED Dwayne wade and bc of him got the team that they have now. They just beat San Antonio in the finals who DRAFTED their entire base of their team starting with a great lottery pick in Tim Duncan....they beat OKC the year before who DRAFTED their entire base starting with a lottery pick in Kevin Durant....the Indiana pacers are coming...they DRAFTED their base except David west. The team that beat Miami in Dallas DRAFTED dirk nowitzki and then made smart moves around him. If ferry wants to compete and try to tinker along the way I have no choice but to be with him but I think we should approach this differently.

Hey now, we did draft Al and Jeffrey