Milsap looked like he didn't belong. Only Al has impressed me at the ASG

[NBASupes]

Joe used to disappoint me year after year and didn't fail to disappoint me again this year. Milsap looked like he didn't belong. A good player. Excellent role player but not a true All Star. Kevin Love proved again like he did with Team USA he isn't a real superstar. He is an All Star but he's on Al's level if even that good. I told ya about Blake Griffin. He is the one player who is a tier above everyone else at PF, all he needed to do was get some heart and toughness. He been doing it all year long and the ASG was an extension, not an exception.

Either way, I want to trade Milsap for a defensive minded center and also a late 1st round pick. I don't have any interest in keeping Sap any longer.

I enjoyed ASW a lot. The dunk contest format sucked tho.

Edited February 17, 2014 by nbasupes40retired

[Sothron]

Only real superstars put up Kevin Love's numbers. Blake Griffin isn't half as good as Love at rebounding or even individual defense let alone passing and shooting. Blake can dunk...that's it.

[Plainview1981]

Joe used to disappoint me year after year and didn't fail to disappoint me again this year. Milsap looked like he didn't belong. A good player. Excellent role player but not a true All Star. Kevin Love proved again like he did with Team USA he isn't a real superstar. He is an All Star but he's on Al's level if even that good. I told ya about Blake Griffin. He is the one player who is a tier above everyone else at PF, all he needed to do was get some heart and toughness. He been doing it all year long and the ASG was an extension, not an exception.

Either way, I want to trade Milsap for a defensive minded center and also a late 1st round pick. I don't have any interest in keeping Sap any longer.

I enjoyed ASW a lot. The dunk contest format sucked tho.

Love is better than Al. Love is a 24/14 player while Al is 17/8. It's not even close. Even if we say that Love would score less on a better team his rebounding just makes him flat out better. We haven't had a real rebounder here since Deke.

Edited February 17, 2014 by Hotlanta1981

[NBASupes]

Only real superstars put up Kevin Love's numbers. Blake Griffin isn't half as good as Love at rebounding or even individual defense let alone passing and shooting. Blake can dunk...that's it.

You know how I feel about Love's numbers. I watch a lot of T'Wolves games too Sothron. A lot just like you. I think he isn't that great at creating his own offense. A large percent is within the system. He would be a great fit in our Spurs based system without a doubt. We don't have the center he needs but we have the system. You know how I feel about his offense as well.

As for Blake, he is a monster. Can create his offense in the paint, score on double and triple teams, can pass on the block, can finish at a high clip, he might not be Al at it but he's damn good. Plays great team D even if his help side d and man d is lacking. You can't underestimate how his athleticism is nasty. We seen VC play at a borderline superstar level with it and he wasn't half as dedicated to his craft as Griffin is.

Blake is better on defense than Love. It's not even questionable and Blake isn't good at defense at ALL. Rebounding isn't close, Love all day. His rebounding skill is one of the best ever.

[NBASupes]

Love is better than Al. Love is a 24/14 player while Al is 17/8. It's not even close. Even if we say that Love would score less on a better team his rebounding just makes him flat out better. We haven't had a real rebounder here since Deke.

Here you go with wrong raw stats again. You know I don't agree with you. You know I see Al completely different. He was avg 18.6PPG and had a FG% of .567. On top of that he providing elite movement off the ball and create numerous chance for so many players on our team offensively. Let's don't sleep on the fact that his team, man, and help side d was all above average and in some cases elite. His BBIQ and intangibles was elite. His PnP shooting was elite. His ability to create for others without the ball is clearly the best in the NBA and only one close to him in that regard is J. Noah.

Then add that he's playing with an undersized PF and he has to play out of position at C with a PG who is average at best in Jeff Teague at the position but made him look like an borderline All Star. Yeah, I seen Rubio who is a much better PG than Teague and Love making him look worse than he is because his movement is great for his own offense but not for others. Not a terrible thing but he doesn't help Rubio much. Rubio does better with Pek.

Edited February 17, 2014 by nbasupes40retired

[capstone21]

The all star game is the last game I would use to judge a player

[nathan2331]

The all star game is the last game I would use to judge a player

This. Millsap may not be a star, but I think it would be foolish to judge anyone in the All-Star Game. I mean what's next, Carmelo Anthony is an efficient player?

[Guest]

The all star game is the last game I would use to judge a player

Exactly. Nobody plays defense in an all star game. Jordan Crawford would look good. Lol

[Plainview1981]

Here you go with wrong raw stats again. You know I don't agree with you. You know I see Al completely different. He was avg 18.6PPG and had a FG% of .567. On top of that he providing elite movement off the ball and create numerous chance for so many players on our team offensively. Let's don't sleep on the fact that his team, man, and help side d was all above average and in some cases elite. His BBIQ and intangibles was elite. His PnP shooting was elite. His ability to create for others without the ball is clearly the best in the NBA and only one close to him in that regard is J. Noah.

Then add that he's playing with an undersized PF and he has to play out of position at C with a PG who is average at best in Jeff Teague at the position but made him look like an borderline All Star. Yeah, I seen Rubio who is a much better PG than Teague and Love making him look worse than he is because his movement is great for his own offense but not for others. Not a terrible thing but he doesn't help Rubio much. Rubio does better with Pek.

Pretty much no one thinks Al is as good as you do.

It's nice that Al shoots 56% but he is not a threat to overwhelm defenses. On his best night he is going to top out at about 26 points (basically Love's average) on good shooting. And that's just every once and awhile... The fact that Love is more or less a threaten from anywhere. That includes the fact that he takes nearly 8 1/2 free throws a game. Which Al will never sniff. I know you think that all Al needs is a PG and he will all of a sudden become a monstrous unstoppable scorer, but I don't think it is so. I don't think anyone else does either.

But my point was the rebounding difference. Al is unreliable on the boards. He might get 15 boards one night and 5 the next. That's not going to change no matter which position he plays.

[Plainview1981]

Love dropped 45/19/6 on the Clippers and 42/14 on the Spurs. 29/15/9 against Portland

If Al has a game like that it will be against Cleveland or someone. You could bring Magic Johnson in here and it would still be the same deal.

[willthepureshooter]

Dude its only the Allstar game.. smhSent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk

[Plainview1981]

Oh, and Teague was mostly horrible in November before Al even got injured. He was shooting 39% overall and 19% in 3's. He had some good games in December, but Teague never really got his offense on track even before Al got hurt. He had that one 4 game stretch in Dec... But that's it.

Al was having a good year on the offensive end.... But he is not on the same level as Love or Griffin.

[NBASupes]

Oh, and Teague was mostly horrible in November before Al even got injured. He was shooting 39% overall and 19% in 3's. He had some good games in December, but Teague never really got his offense on track even before Al got hurt. He had that one 4 game stretch in Dec... But that's it.

Al was having a good year on the offensive end.... But he is not on the same level as Love or Griffin.

Jeff wasn't horrible in November if you watched the games. He was still having a positive effect defensively and he would put pressure on defenses with his dribble drive as well as getting to the line and being one of the best assistman in the NBA at that time. Once again, this is a prime example of using stats and not watching the games. This is the same stuff you used to KILL Iso Joe for in the four to five years ago now you are using it to praise Love and down Horford and even worse blindly kill Jeff.

Pretty much no one thinks Al is as good as you do.

It's nice that Al shoots 56% but he is not a threat to overwhelm defenses. On his best night he is going to top out at about 26 points (basically Love's average) on good shooting. And that's just every once and awhile... The fact that Love is more or less a threaten from anywhere. That includes the fact that he takes nearly 8 1/2 free throws a game. Which Al will never sniff. I know you think that all Al needs is a PG and he will all of a sudden become a monstrous unstoppable scorer, but I don't think it is so. I don't think anyone else does either.

But my point was the rebounding difference. Al is unreliable on the boards. He might get 15 boards one night and 5 the next. That's not going to change no matter which position he plays.

Believe me, I am far from the last one who thinks Al is a total beast. Al is not a threat to overwhelm defenses. Umm... let's see, he draws constant doubles in the post, his movement creates havoc for teams defensively, he isn't a rim protector yet teams drive on us 4x as much without him, and he does it with great precentages, out of position and being a movement specialist with a combo guard at PG in Teague. Umm... once again, one is not the other. What you are doing is BS and you know it. Saying Love is a better scorer is quite obvious. We all know that. Saying he scores 20+ with efficiency is obvious, we all know that. Where you are wrong and fail to mention is how he scores. It's like suped up Ryan Anderson. Soft screens, drawing fouls in the post with his very good footwork, his shooting, his range, his movement, his ability to put the ball on the floor, and his rebounding creates offense for him as well. He doesn't do anything that makes him an unguardable player like a Melo, Bron, Dirk, prime Wade, Durant, or CP3.

So how is he much better to you than Al is beyond me. I don't see it. I watched all the games. I been watching Love closely since last year and I been watching them as much as that Hawks as I talk to Soth. I find him to be a problem more than a solution if building a contender in Minny is your goal. Honestly, Atlanta going to have to make several key moves if they want to contend with Love as well. The difference is, the pieces are better for Al in Minny than in Atlanta while the system is better in Atlanta for Love than Minny. But the pieces aren't here either.

Here is the problem, I am NOT saying, Al can score what Love is scoring. Al can score 20-23 PPG with Rubio if you change to a PnR based offense and he will be far more impactful than Love is for the same team easy. He does more for winning Basketball than Love does which is why I like Horford more than Love. You think I am saying I would take Horf over Love because of scoring would be STUPID! I am saying I would take Horf because he is a better player period and with that system, you can play to his strengths completely while you can't in Atlanta.

[NBASupes]

The all star game is the last game I would use to judge a player

It's a great place to judge talent. It's a terrible place to judge their impact on the game. Hence why guys like Kyrie who aren't that good to me can have a great game because they have great talent but lack a lot fundamental aspects for the PG position. Another SG playing PG but if he was on the Bulls with Noah and Coach Thibs, he would be seen as a MVP candidate.

Exactly. Nobody plays defense in an all star game. Jordan Crawford would look good. Lol

I hope you don't really believe that.

[Duff_Man]

I can't even bring myself to watch the ASG anymore. It's not real basketball. It makes the And-1 Tour look like a work of art.

And I think we can all agree that the dunk contest has to go.

[Duff_Man]

What do you expect to see in an exhibition game? A bunch of perfectly executed screen-and-rolls? A couple of elite level pick-and-pops? Some choice 2-2-1 press execution?

It's meant to be dunks, 3's and a bunch of plays to display talent/athleticism that the average guy can't duplicate. Watch an instructional video if you're looking for some purist rendition of basketball. IOW, adjust your expectations and you'll enjoy it more.

Now if you'd said you can't stand the concerts and other pre-game crap then I'd be right along side you. Or if you opine for the '80's when All-Star weekend was truly a show, then I'd be lock-step with you.

I can make 12 year-olds look great without a defense in front of them. I get that it is an exhibition, but it has just become a pile of crap. The teams used to at least compete or look like they were trying. Now it is "lets throw a bunch of lobs and get out of here so we can get to the club."

[Duff_Man]

No you can't. Don't speak in hyperbole. "Get to the club"? C'mon man. Do they wanna get back to 'they babymamas' too?

No, they want to make new ones. And the weed...they probably want to smoke the weed.

The ASG just stinks. I can't watch a shoot-around with a box score.

[coachx]

Spent the day watching 3 good games:

UGA beat Ole Miss by 1 to take over 3rd place in the SEC ( 1 game behind UK).

GSU got their 14 win streak snapped by Troy St on ESPN.

#3 Florida vs. #14 Kentucky in Rupp Arena.

I'd rather watch any of the above over an NBA all star game that means nothing.

Edited February 17, 2014 by coachx

[MaceCase]

I feel like everyone who has the same complaint about the All Star game in that "there's no defense, waaa! There's just a bunch of lobs, waaah!" have never bothered to watch a 4th quarter of the game. Probably tune into the 1st quarter and see a guy go through his legs 15 times in a row and say to themselves "Oh, it's just going to be 45 more minutes of this, guess I'll watch the Mentalist instead."

It's an exhibition for the fans so yes they are going to put on a display of their athletic ability and skill but once the 4th quarter rolls around and they've cleared all of the scrubs off the court with their token minutes, the real stars start to shine and compete against and with each other. Last night was another example of this with the East coming back from 18 down with a display of great defense by Noah, Lebron, Wall and George locking it down with Carmelo and Kyrie carrying them on offense. There have been about 4 blowouts at the game in the past 15 years and the last 5 games including last night all came down to the wire so I honestly wonder about why this stereotype about "the guys just want to get it over with and hit the club after" gets perpetuated......I mean it's an odd thing to say especially since they all have to fly back to their teams right away because they have full practice Monday morning.

But I digress back to the topic. Talent wise, no Millsap didn't deserve to be there but neither did half the East bench but skill wise he fit better than Al ever did. Why? Because he has this thing called a handle. He was even able to get a bucket off of a crossover and fadeaway rather than having to be the most serious guy attacking offensive boards for putbacks or waiting for another player to take a minute from their dribble display to give him the ball. Exhibition games are like pick-up games, they always favor those who can get their own.

[Vol4ever]

I tried to watch some of the allstar activities and I did in fact watch the 3 point contest, the rest is garbage to me, but Im 50 yrs old too. I though the game came on at 8 but it didn't and I could not take all the bs music and acting stupid. I wanted to see Sap but it didn't happen.

I have a real fast hotrod in the garage that I tinkered with instead!