2020 Hawks Speculations and Musings!

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, Vol4ever said:

Everything else...dangle?    There is nothing else.  

Oh I beg to differ mom cheri  

You can have you pick of the litter..

Bembry- Very solid defender and that stopper guy any playoff team needs to get to round 3 from round 2 or anywhere in between. 
 

Jabari- Good sixth man that can get in there an quick dunk his team’s way back in a game or pad the lead. Again contenders most likely.

 

Len- A solid backup center. Sure we might need him and we do, but anyone willing to pay more?

Damian Jones- Pat Riley might fall in love with his body and trade for him just to lead those grueling 3am Heat practices (lol every article you read the Heat’s practice takes place an hour earlier ).

Chandler Parsons- cap strapped teams  

Allen Crabbe- see above

Few more..

[lethalweapon3]

#NBATwitter reactions on this tweet have me giggling like a schoolchild. Teams' fans don't even want anything back for some of the guys they're desperate to rid themselves of. "Just take them, please!"

~lw3

[Thomas]

Sticking by my BB guns and keeping JC and then at least give Goodwin a solid opportunity at backup point. Wouldn't want to give so much up trying to make a vet pg part of the deal at this moment. I may be overly optimistic on BG but feel his defense at the very least makes that not the case. Again, absolutely want JC here.

[kg01]

Beginning of the end for your (least) favorite Hawks ...

 

[Spud2nique]

6 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Beginning of the end for your (least) favorite Hawks ...

 

Please do this. Turner, Chandler..just sit.

[JayBirdHawk]

5 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

Here's some Centers that would qualify (Contract ends after 20-21 season):

Drummond - Det - 28 yrs old - UFA - see rumors

Dieng - Min - 30 yrs old - UFA - yes

Adams - OKC - 28 yrs old - UFA - hell yes

Mo Bamba - Orl - 23 yrs old - RFA - don't think Orl moves him, but for the BKN pick, yes

Zach Collins - Por - 23 yrs old - RFA - PTL is moving him, but yes

Jarrett Allen - Bkn - 23 yrs old - RFA - not available, but yes

Willie Caulie-Stein - GSW - 28 yrs old - UFA - hell NO!

 

Any of those of interest? 

 

See answers above

 

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Beginning of the end for your (least) favorite Hawks ...

 

Everybody back, no need for them.

The rest of the team just needs to stay healthy.

[JayBirdHawk]

 

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It’s rare that a general manager is as open and revealing as Travis Schlenk was two weeks ago when he spoke to our own Jeff Schultz when discussing the moves he made this past offseason. Schlenk admitted to making “stupid” mistakes in constructing the Hawks’ roster.

Some of those “stupid” mistakes have led to the Hawks currently having the NBA’s worst record, along with discord and frustration in the locker room and discussion regarding head coach Lloyd Pierce’s job status.

Before the season, majority owner Tony Ressler said that the next step for the team is to figure out when to intelligently spend money and surround the young, foundational pieces with more talent around them. I would not expect Trae Young, John Collins, Kevin Huerter, De’Andre Hunter or Cam Reddish to be traded. Unless the Hawks decided to go after Minnesota’s Karl-Anthony Towns, I can’t see any of those five players being involved in any deal.

Andre Drummond | Center | Contract: $28.7 million player option
The Hawks have the expiring contract of Chandler Parsons that they could give the Pistons, but Detroit will ask for draft picks and/or a young player in addition to an expiring contract. If the Pistons believe Drummond will test free agency this summer, the asking price shouldn’t be exorbitant as they likely would just want something in return.
Trading for Drummond doesn’t make much sense if the Hawks didn’t plan on giving him a max contract this summer. Otherwise, they would risk losing him in free agency and he would just be a rental for a few months.

Dewayne Dedmon | Center | Contract: 3 years, $40 million through 2021-2022
As reported on Thursday, the Hawks have discussed the possibility of a reunion with Dedmon, who publicly requested a trade out of Sacramento and was fined $50,000 by the NBA for doing so.

Steven Adams | Center | Contract: 4 years, $100 million through 2020-2021
Adams is another center who we’ve already reported as being a possible trade target for the Hawks. Adams is due $27.5 million next season and will become an unrestricted free agent in summer 2021,

Myles Turner | Center | Contract: 4 years, $80 million through 2022-2023
The Pacers have been reluctant to trade Turner, which is understandable because he’s only 23 and an ideal modern big man. Indiana also has Domantas Sabonis and the pair give the Pacers one of the best young frontcourts across the NBA, so there’s not really a huge need to trade Turner. The Pacers start both of them, and it works.

Aaron Gordon | Forward | Contract: 4 years, $80 million through 2021-2022
Gordon’s efficiency with the Magic has dropped this year, and the Hawks don’t need another power forward with Collins in that spot, but Gordon is versatile enough that it shouldn’t be viewed as a negative that he plays the same position.
He’s also an excellent defender and would help tremendously in that area.

Bogdan Bogdanovic | Shooting guard | Contract: Expiring salary, RFA QO of $10.6 million
The Hawks could decide to trade for him ahead of the deadline to have matching rights in free agency.

Malik Beasley | Shooting guard | Contract: Expiring salary, RFA QO of $3.9 million
Beasley shot 40 percent from 3 last year in a breakout season and is still shooting 40 percent this year. He’s also solid defensively.

Frank Ntilikina | Point guard | Contract: 4 years, $18.7 million through 2020-2021
He’s likely nothing more than a backup point guard, but that’s what the Hawks need, and he, like Kris Dunn, is one of the best defensive guards in the league.

Kris Dunn | Point guard | Contract: Expiring salary, RFA qualifying offer of $7 million
Dunn is not an offensive threat in the slightest, but he truly is one of the best defensive guards
The Hawks are coming off one of the 10 worst defensive seasons in league history and are on track to repeat with historic defensive ineptitude.

Takeaways:

1. No Bruno in the core young 5 - Trae, John, Kevin, Cam, Deandre.

2.  A Max Contract for Drummond???? Oh boy - is that intelligently spending money.

3.  Aaron Gordon - that's a head scratcher

I'm ok with the rest.

 

[bleachkit]

22 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Personally:

Trae/Cam/Hunter/ 2020 pick (ours)off the table 

Collins- I’ll listen but good offers only

Huerter- Again good offers only

Everything else...dangle.

 

 

 

 

Cam is off the table? You mean one of the least efficient offensive players in all the NBA, that Cam? Ok man, I'm sure GMs are lining up to sell the farm for Cam. Had he been drafted by Washington we would all be saying how lucky we are we didn't draft him. 

[JayBirdHawk]

6 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Cam is off the table? You mean one of the least efficient offensive players in all the NBA, that Cam? Ok man, I'm sure GMs are lining up to sell the farm for Cam. Had he been drafted by Washington we would all be saying how lucky we are we didn't draft him. 

Here's why Cam is off the table in most deals, unless it's for a legitimate, bonafide star player - he's part of the Trae trade and TS will give him every opportunity to succeed here before dumping him after 32 NBA games.

[bleachkit]

8 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here's why Cam is off the table in most deals, unless it's for a legitimate, bonafide star player - he's part of the Trae trade and TS will give him every opportunity to succeed here before dumping him after 32 NBA games.

I don't propose dumping him. But odds are Cam is a bust, even with the small sample size. I hope he beats the odds, but the history of players with similar first year numbers as him is not pretty. 

 

[Gray Mule]

Cam is very, very young.  Experience?  Sorely lacking.  Yet, he's probably the very best defensive player on the Atlanta roster.  A real athlete.  The question has to be, "Is he smart enough to learn to play the NBA game on offense?"

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

I don't propose dumping him. But odds are Cam is a bust, even with the small sample size. I hope he beats the odds, but the history of players with similar first year numbers as him is not pretty. 

I remember having a similar discussion (rGM) regarding Trae last year based on his Oct-Dec stats. How no short PG shooting so horribly in year 1 and (the guy even tried to bring in college stats as a badis why Trae would never be efficient) that is also the worse defender ever would amount to a hill of beans. He was a bust. I noted Kemba Walker as an example but he died on his hill in the end.

I wish that Cam had the chance to stick to his one role his first 30 NBA games, backup SG. He's been in and out the startling lineup at PG, SG, SF. That can't be easy as a young player. 

However, through all his offensive struggles, he's still maintained his strong defense and that is one of the toughest things for a player to do, play defense despite the offense. Vets have a hard time doing that, let alone a rookie with high expectations.

[Spud2nique]

42 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Cam is off the table? You mean one of the least efficient offensive players in all the NBA, that Cam? Ok man, I'm sure GMs are lining up to sell the farm for Cam. Had he been drafted by Washington we would all be saying how lucky we are we didn't draft him. 

Cam is going to be a star imo. When you see his skill set out there things come really easy to him. The speed of the game is what most rookies need to adjust to when they get to the pro game. He has struggled but most rookies in this class have struggled.

No, we ARE VERY LUCKY to have drafted him.
 

Save this thread for all the Cam haters. Should be a classic thread when Cam starts busting people up soon.

[Spud2nique]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

strong defense

His calling card thus far. He’s Kobe..ish on D. He really locks down.

18 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

very best defensive player on the Atlanta roster

More D.

[kg01]

24 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

I don't propose dumping him. But odds are Cam is a bust, even with the small sample size. I hope he beats the odds, but the history of players with similar first year numbers as him is not pretty. 

 

He's. A. Rookie.

[REHawksFan]

27 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

odds are Cam is a bust, even with the small sample size.

This is such a stupid take. I just cannot fathom being so short sided.  12 months ago Trae had very similar numbers to Cam and now he's a legit Top 5 player in the NBA at his position. 

No one knows how Cam will progress. Least of all you.

[capstone21]

I just want more d ... especially at center and more depth

[kg01]

Why is French Frank not a hawk yet?

[Spud2nique]

18 minutes ago, capstone21 said:

I just want more d

 

[bleachkit]

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

This is such a stupid take. I just cannot fathom being so short sided.  12 months ago Trae had very similar numbers to Cam and now he's a legit Top 5 player in the NBA at his position. 

No one knows how Cam will progress. Least of all you.

Of course I dont know. But extremely poor shooting numbers in your rookie year is strongly correlated with becoming a bust. There are exceptions of course, hopefully Cam will be one of those exceptions.