Time to have the uncomfortable conversation about Bogdanovic

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

It was the easy choice, I guess.  Mannion and Poole are on the list.  Which of their other picks have panned out in any meaningful way?

What I meant was that they had the chance to pick Mayes and picked Mannion instead.   IF they are as bad as you say.. Mannion should not be as good as Mayes.. going into the future. 

[agentorange90]

4 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

That's what happens in the playoffs!!  People get exposed like James Harden each and every year.

Yah, I haven't looked at Bogi's other playoff #'s; maybe it was the knee.  I kept seeing Seth Curry and last year the guys on Heat burying 3 after 3 and wish we had a clutch 3 shooter like that.  Our 3 attempts look like desperation shots. 

[kg01]

4 hours ago, Diesel said:

What I meant was that they had the chance to pick Mayes and picked Mannion instead.   IF they are as bad as you say.. Mannion should not be as good as Mayes.. going into the future. 

Yes, I know what you meant.  I was taking it further by saying they've had a couple questionable picks.

[bleachkit]

Please Bogi, break out of your slump, we cant go on like this. 

[Peoriabird]

I think it is time to bring this topic back up.  So far it looks like his performance in the playoffs weren't just a result of a knee injury.

[AHF]

46 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I think it is time to bring this topic back up.  So far it looks like his performance in the playoffs weren't just a result of a knee injury.

Wind is blowing for Bogi?  Bury this thread and disappear like it never happened.  Wind is blowing against Bogi?  Show up and claim victory.  We know how this will go.  Bogi's cold stretches will be met with "told you he sucks."  His hot stretches will be met with "crickets."

Totally agree with you that he, Huerter and Gallo have stunk it up so far this year compared to what we expect from them.  They will all have much better stretches as the year progresses.  Hopefully, we'll have at least 2 of the 3 in a positive frame for most of the season but not right now.  His 14 points on 11 shots, 6 rebounds (2nd best on the team), 4 assists (2nd best on the team), and 0 turnovers isn't the worst thing in the world but we needed more from him tonight.  JC and Cam were the only two who showed up with a significant impact tonight.

[Peoriabird]

6 minutes ago, AHF said:

Wind is blowing for Bogi?  Bury this thread and disappear like it never happened.  Wind is blowing against Bogi?  Show up and claim victory.  We know how this will go.  Bogi's cold stretches will be met with "told you he sucks."  His hot stretches will be met with "crickets."

Totally agree with you that he, Huerter and Gallo have stunk it up so far this year compared to what we expect from them.  They will all have much better stretches as the year progresses.  Hopefully, we'll have at least 2 of the 3 in a positive frame for most of the season but not right now.  His 14 points on 11 shots, 6 rebounds (2nd best on the team), 4 assists (2nd best on the team), and 0 turnovers isn't the worst thing in the world but we needed more from him tonight.  JC and Cam were the only two who showed up with a significant impact tonight.

I notice you never mention his defense

[kg01]

35 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I notice you never mention his defense

We all notice you never say anything when he plays well. 

[Peoriabird]

7 hours ago, kg01 said:

We all notice you never say anything when he plays well. 

Same with you...you never say anything when he plays poorly which has been the rule vs the exception.

[kg01]

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Same with you...you never say anything when he plays poorly which has been the rule vs the exception.

Trust me, you got that covered.  Nobody needs to hear it from me, chief. 

[Diesel]

You ready to trade for Ben Simmons yet?

 

[AHF]

4 minutes ago, Diesel said:

You ready to trade for Ben Simmons yet?

 

Are you envisioning something like Bogi and Delon Wright and a first round pick for Simmons?

[Final_quest]

My first thought with this coming back up was, could this kick off another run by Bogi?  Two months straight averaging 22 and being a 50/50/90 guy.  Hoping this post is a good luck charm.  

Huerter is another story.  Sometimes guys sign a big contract and it messes with their head.  Been that way for years.  They feel like they have to change their game and play up to the contract.  

[Diesel]

37 minutes ago, AHF said:

Are you envisioning something like Bogi and Delon Wright and a first round pick for Simmons?

I can do that or Bogi/Gallo for Simmons or Gallo/Wright/1st for Simmons. 

Let's get past the other stuff... on the court, his defense is great.   His size gives us toughness in the backcourt.  I can see playing him as OG and it would give Trae some relief.  Defensively with him and wingstop...   Sadly though, we still must consider his attitude. 

[Final_quest]

5 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I can do that or Bogi/Gallo for Simmons or Gallo/Wright/1st for Simmons. 

Let's get past the other stuff... on the court, his defense is great.   His size gives us toughness in the backcourt.  I can see playing him as OG and it would give Trae some relief.  Defensively with him and wingstop...   Sadly though, we still must consider his attitude. 

I don't see the fit with Simmons.  The PNR with Trae, Collins, and Capela is so deadly.  Last year Huerter and Bogi made it devastating.  They were not only making threes, but they could also take guys off the dribble and create shots.  Remember the dribble, pass, shoot formula?  Simmons gives you zero on the shooting.  

[Spud2nique]

9 minutes ago, Diesel said:

we still must consider his attitude. 

The example he sets is a first class ticket to NOWHERE! -Dirty Harry Rooney

[Wretch]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

You ready to trade for Ben Simmons yet?

 

I like Ben Simmons.  I would be all over getting him out of Philly, but how does he fit?  He can't/won't shoot and Trae doesn't play off the ball.  Not saying he can or can't, but at this moment in time Trae simply doesn't move without the ball in his hands.  What are we gonna do with our star...?  Just turn him into a spot up shooter?  Once he has the ball, Ben is negated...except as perhaps a roll man - and we already have two of those (elite BTW).  So spot up JC...or bring Ben off the bench?  The 6th man idea is fantastic, but again...in a vacuum.  In reality, that's probably a disaster waiting to happen with that fragile psyche of his.

I'd co-sign if we were convinced of Trae's off the ball movement.  As it were, it's a bad fit - or at best, an expensive experimental fit.  If we were a part of Ben Simmons trade, I'd rather us be a facilitator in a multi-team blockbuster.

[Spud2nique]

32 minutes ago, Wretch said:

  If we were a part of Ben Simmons trade, I'd rather us be a facilitator in a multi-team blockbuster

Now you talkin to me baby, that I like, keep it comin.. 

[Atlantaholic]

16 hours ago, AHF said:

Wind is blowing for Bogi?  Bury this thread and disappear like it never happened.  Wind is blowing against Bogi?  Show up and claim victory.  We know how this will go.  Bogi's cold stretches will be met with "told you he sucks."  His hot stretches will be met with "crickets."

Totally agree with you that he, Huerter and Gallo have stunk it up so far this year compared to what we expect from them.  They will all have much better stretches as the year progresses.  Hopefully, we'll have at least 2 of the 3 in a positive frame for most of the season but not right now.  His 14 points on 11 shots, 6 rebounds (2nd best on the team), 4 assists (2nd best on the team), and 0 turnovers isn't the worst thing in the world but we needed more from him tonight.  JC and Cam were the only two who showed up with a significant impact tonight.

Bogi has been solid, he hasn't been the issue. Huerter, and Cap have been playing well below their level last year, especially Huerter who has been catastrophic offensively. If Huerter had been matching Bogi's production and efficiency we're likely undefeated right now.

[JayBirdHawk]

Great game by the Bogster.

16pts, (4-6 from 3), 6assists, 6 rebs. Hopefully this gets him out his funk. This aggressive Bogi is what we need every night.