The Official NBASupes, Sothron, and theCampster Insider Thread - NBA 2022-23 Season

[Spud2nique]

The next 48 hours are very critical to the Hawks organization.

Insiders, I just wanted to say

[JayBirdHawk]

Luxury Tax Second Apron Rules for next offseason (teams a most likely looking to this, possible reason for all the tons of trade rumors):

 

 

[theheroatl]

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Luxury Tax Second Apron Rules for next offseason (teams a most likely looking to this, possible reason for all the tons of trade rumors):

 

 

So this applies to GSW, the Suns, and who else right now?

[JTB]

2 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

What if trading Clint and keeping JC opens up the floor for JC and allows him to get back to being the featured rim runner coupled with a more spaced out floor?  I'm of the opinion that JC's game has been diminished more by Clint and then DJM than anything else.  But he can still be a very good player for us, imo.  Just need to let him be the guy instead of Clint.  

I may seem like a JC hater but I’m not. Collins would clearly flourish if he gets to go back to this role and that’s a good thing but the question is what center is going to space the floor for him to do this?

Ayton ?

KP ?

are we realistically going after these guy’s? Because the list for floor spacing centers isn’t long …it’s actually quite short.

I believe it’s possible we run a small ball starting lineup with two true 4s and maybe that’s where all the Siakam rumors are coming into play.

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, JTB said:

I may seem like a JC hater but I’m not. Collins would clearly flourish if he gets to go back to this role and that’s a good thing but the question is what center is going to space the floor for him to do this?

Ayton ?

KP ?

are we realistically going after these guy’s? Because the list for floor spacing centers isn’t long …it’s actually quite short.

I believe it’s possible we run a small ball starting lineup with two true 4s and maybe that’s where all the Siakam rumors are coming into play.

Siakam or bust!

[JayBirdHawk]

5 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

So this applies to GSW, the Suns, and who else right now?

I haven't checked but this kicks in next season.

[thecampster]

No go ahead to say much but if something hits the news about why Nate/Schlenk left and it involves the assistant coaches, the young guys, Huerter's departure and the long term deals handed out, you heard it here first.

[Phunkabilly]

7 minutes ago, thecampster said:

No go ahead to say much but if something hits the news about why Nate/Schlenk left and it involves the assistant coaches, the young guys, Huerter's departure and the long term deals handed out, you heard it here first.

 

[cam1218]

9 minutes ago, thecampster said:

No go ahead to say much but if something hits the news about why Nate/Schlenk left and it involves the assistant coaches, the young guys, Huerter's departure and the long term deals handed out, you heard it here first.

I’ll give you the go ahead if that helps.

[terrell]

13 minutes ago, thecampster said:

No go ahead to say much but if something hits the news about why Nate/Schlenk left and it involves the assistant coaches, the young guys, Huerter's departure and the long term deals handed out, you heard it here first.

Can you explain a little more? 

Nate didnt like his Son, so he left? 

Schlenk didnt like the young guys he drafted so he left? 

Who's deal pissed them off the most? lol

Edited June 20, 2023 by terrell

[ShooterSays]

I'm not buying the Ayton or Siakam rumors, for many reasons. But most of all, I don't see their fit next to OO.

I think this is all just smokescreens to drive down the price of someone we haven't heard much about yet, but is our actual target -

[Phunkabilly]

2 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

I'm not buying the Ayton or Siakam rumors, for many reasons. But most of all, I don't see their fit next to OO.

I think this is all just smokescreens to drive down the price of someone we haven't heard much about yet, but is our actual target -

Man, i hope you're right

[kg01]

46 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Wow, our name HAWKS is everywhere in rumors!!! Wtfff I can’t keep up. Maybe Quin said screw this gimme my own makeup of the team let me start something from scratch minus Trae of course. 
 

Oh myyyy..

Wonder if it's partly us having a new GM that's getting run through the rumor ringer.

[Sothron]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Wonder if it's partly us having a new GM that's getting run through the rumor ringer.

Our FO is being very active on the trade fronts. Almost every team is being really active. It is unusually high. 

[JayBirdHawk]

25 minutes ago, thecampster said:

No go ahead to say much but if something hits the news about why Nate/Schlenk left and it involves the assistant coaches, the young guys, Huerter's departure and the long term deals handed out, you heard it here first.

 

You might as well tell us since you told us already though I can't find the earlier post.  But I did find this one below that alluded to the previous post:

You talked about the assistants (and players) weren't pleased with how Nate treated JJ.  How Nate kept the players at arm's length, no comradery etc.  Assistants would want him to call time out during games or have a different plan to give instructions and he wouldn't etc......

On 5/9/2023 at 2:44 PM, thecampster said:

The removal of Prunty and the rest of the assistants should point back to what we reported earlier in the year about fractures within the team and between coaches.  This is about breaking the relationships between players and assistants that contributed to the team breakdown.  This is about starting new, removing bias and making people earn it from the start.

You talked about the assistants (and players) weren't pleased with how Nate treated JJ.  How Nate kept the players at arm's length, no comradery etc.  Assistants would want him to call time out to give instructions and he wouldn't etc......

On 2/26/2023 at 3:15 PM, thecampster said:

Anyone else see Trae come over to Prunty after the first foul, put his arm around Prunty and have a laugh together?

 

That should tell you bunches. 

 

[cam1218]

7 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Our FO is being very active on the trade fronts. Almost every team is being really active. It is unusually high. 

There were so many teams that were talented but didn’t fit well last year so I can see why. I mean, you had the Heat in the finals lol. With the parity in the league (which I love), a lot of teams probably feel they are a tweak or two away and are looking for some win/win scenarios for both teams.

[JayBirdHawk]

42 minutes ago, thecampster said:

No go ahead to say much but if something hits the news about why Nate/Schlenk left and it involves the assistant coaches, the young guys, Huerter's departure and the long term deals handed out, you heard it here first.

 

Found it, at least a portion of it on the Coaches and JJ

On 2/22/2023 at 1:35 PM, thecampster said:

Take this with a grain of salt.

 

Earlier in the year I mentioned open conflict within the coaching staff as it pertained to young players, especially Jalen Johnson. After his very stat heavy year at College Park, the assistant coaches, other players expected heavy minutes from Jalen.  

Nate's reliance on smaller lineups and not giving Jalen Gallo type minutes irked some, especially those who worked most closely with JJ.

You can hear in the pressers how they are repeating "someone who connects with the players" (John, Trae, Jalen, etc) and "someone good at developing talent".

One of things not yet said is a jealousy the team feels over other orgs developing young players while we play old school and let them rot on the bench. This is one of the things Ressler openly questioned (why don't our young guys play like X,Y,Z).

What I'm hearing is that this has been simmering privately for 3 weeks+ and the coaches were basically in pro-Nate vs pro-young guns camp and that the decision to start Saddiq Bey was effectively a big "FU" to the assistants  propping up JJ.  So too was the near DNP for JJ in his last game.  There was some serious discontent in the Hawks locker room and it wasn't between Trae and Nate, but between Nate and 3 members of his staff.

A second point of contention was ball distribution and untimely substitution (something many members of this board have noticed).  Nate's over-reliance on iso sets created two problems  1) DJ is not as good as Trae in the PnR game and is more of a chaos movement player.  2) Other teams learned from the Heat in last year's playoffs and were determined to trap Trae and get the ball out of his hands. On good authority, one of the more experienced coaches suggested off ball curl screens (opposing top of the key from the ball handler) and switch pin downs as ways to loosen up defenses and Nate insisted their guys "figure out how to beat this coverage and not to rely on gimmicks".  As the season progressed, DJ's turnovers increased as he was forced to run sets that are not in his normal bag.  Without clear outs or off ball motion, DJ was attacked very similarly to Trae.  

The rumored Trae argued with Nate at practice that seemed to get covered up was actually Trae making the mistake of agreeing with a coach who openly disagreed with Nate.

The critique of Nate from the x's and o's coaches was his over reliance on 1v1 matchups on both offense and defense and insistence on players scrambling off blown coverages.  Additionally, Nate's historical tendency and reputation as a hot head led to not only him not engaging officials and fighting openly for his players but limiting his assistants from barking at the refs as well.  The players felt often as if they were playing against the refs which showed in their on court whining.  Nate tried to limit this as well, limit trash talking. It was summed up to me as "he was taking the emotion out of basketball".

 

The delay in firing Nate was due to the team having a cooling off period and to evaluate their options. When after a few days they saw no way forward, the decision was made to let Nate go now.

@Phunkabilly @cam1218 @terrell

[kg01]

9 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Our FO is being very active on the trade fronts. Almost every team is being really active. It is unusually high. 

I mean from the standpoint of not having a track record of being a guy who'll cut off negotiations if stuff leaks.  

Also @Spud2nique, I found the one condition on which I'd accept Zion traded to ATL.  They gotta bring Baller-ado back home with him. 

[ShooterSays]

Reading these old Nate comments just makes me even more thankful for this man -

 

[warcore]

5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Nate insisted their guys "figure out how to beat this coverage and not to rely on gimmicks". 

In other words, "they can do my job for me but I'm not giving them any of my paycheck"

what a jackass