Spud2nique Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, kg01 said: my latest outsiders Unnnnn unnnn nah.. no he did ent. Ju say “my”? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hawkish said: What would you consider a slight overpay? The overpay would most likely go to the 3rd team, not us, to get them to accept the salary we wouldn't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txsting Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 Why are we so keen to get rid of Capela too? Okongwu is not a complete player, and I'm not sure he ever will be. If he doesn't develop some offensive game, what the hell is he even? On the plus side, strong character, big energy, fundamentally sound. On the minus side, no ability to stretch the floor, tweener size, limited offensive game (no faceup game, no middie, unexceptional handle and distribution). Of all the guys......he's one of them. Capela is what he is, but he at least is signed to a good deal. I'm afraid Kong will get massively overpaid and it will be Collins all over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Spud2nique said: Oh, and Siakam can hit the 3 with relative ease so don’t worry about spreading the court, we good. Pascal Siakam/NBA career/3-pointers percentage .327.... well, I guess that could count as 'relative ease' 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkish Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 42 minutes ago, txsting said: Why are we so keen to get rid of Capela too? Okongwu is not a complete player, and I'm not sure he ever will be. If he doesn't develop some offensive game, what the hell is he even? On the plus side, strong character, big energy, fundamentally sound. On the minus side, no ability to stretch the floor, tweener size, limited offensive game (no faceup game, no middie, unexceptional handle and distribution). Of all the guys......he's one of them. Capela is what he is, but he at least is signed to a good deal. I'm afraid Kong will get massively overpaid and it will be Collins all over again. I’ve thought the same, tx. I’m curious to see how Snyder develops OO’s skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 50 minutes ago, txsting said: Why are we so keen to get rid of Capela too? Okongwu is not a complete player, and I'm not sure he ever will be. If he doesn't develop some offensive game, what the hell is he even? On the plus side, strong character, big energy, fundamentally sound. On the minus side, no ability to stretch the floor, tweener size, limited offensive game (no faceup game, no middie, unexceptional handle and distribution). Of all the guys......he's one of them. Capela is what he is, but he at least is signed to a good deal. I'm afraid Kong will get massively overpaid and it will be Collins all over again. I question it as well. All these WC teams want him because he's had success defending Jokic in the past. But, if that's the case, shouldn't we want to keep him? That said, the roster needs to be improved and he has value. So the question then becomes, can we replace what he brings to the table? I think it conceivably can be 'replaced' moreso than anyone else we'd trade. So that's probably why they're at a point of trading him. OO isn't fully a replacement but he can be a large part of it. Full disclosure, my ideal solution was to basically swap their minutes and role. But I kinda get why a trade is the move at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, kg01 said: I question it as well. All these WC teams want him because he's had success defending Jokic in the past. But, if that's the case, shouldn't we want to keep him? That said, the roster needs to be improved and he has value. So the question then becomes, can we replace what he brings to the table? I think it conceivably can be 'replaced' moreso than anyone else we'd trade. So that's probably why they're at a point of trading him. OO isn't fully a replacement but he can be a large part of it. Full disclosure, my ideal solution was to basically swap their minutes and role. But I kinda get why a trade is the move at this point. All great points. I think it ultimately boils down to the fact that this is our last opportunity to get good value back for him. Next summer he will be an expiring and older. And it's entirely possible his production takes another hit this year, which would also lower his value. He's been great for us but I think it's our last chance to get back what we gave up for him (a first). And viewing the acquisition as 3 seasons of renting Capela for essentially free, that feels nice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, warcore said: Pascal Siakam/NBA career/3-pointers percentage .327.... well, I guess that could count as 'relative ease' Thanks Gradey! How’s Drake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member akay Posted July 27, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Raptors fr gotta be the most annoying team to make deals with, like just take Hunter and CC and be happy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Established players = More than one starter. Gee! They must think that he's something! If this is true, why in the world would they even think of trading him?? Go ahead, keep him and pay him the big $$$ bucks that he wants!! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 59 minutes ago, warcore said: All great points. I think it ultimately boils down to the fact that this is our last opportunity to get good value back for him. Next summer he will be an expiring and older. And it's entirely possible his production takes another hit this year, which would also lower his value. He's been great for us but I think it's our last chance to get back what we gave up for him (a first). And viewing the acquisition as 3 seasons of renting Capela for essentially free, that feels nice. Good point. This is the age old, trade a year early rather than a year too late. His health is definitely starting to show a decline. Waiting a year could be disastrous w.r.t. his trade value. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: The most galling part of that tweet is the "via Mark Medina" part. He was clearly reading from a script printed on Raptors letterhead. Well, I guess it was still "via" Mark Medina. Technically. Edited July 27, 2023 by kg01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, warcore said: All great points. I think it ultimately boils down to the fact that this is our last opportunity to get good value back for him. Next summer he will be an expiring and older. And it's entirely possible his production takes another hit this year, which would also lower his value. He's been great for us but I think it's our last chance to get back what we gave up for him (a first). And viewing the acquisition as 3 seasons of renting Capela for essentially free, that feels nice. All of the above. It will feel bad next year, but is a better outcome than losing a guy for nothing like we've done in the past. He's on a trajectory going from high level role player to low level role player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member shakes Posted July 27, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, kg01 said: Good point. This is the age old, trade a year early rather than a year too late. His health is definitely starting to show a decline. Waiting a year could be disastrous w.r.t. his trade value. it's like they are borrowing the "how not to trade John Collins" playbook and we all saw how that worked out in the end of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, shakes said: it's like they are borrowing the "how not to trade John Collins" playbook and we all saw how that worked out in the end of us. www.theblueprint.orgbiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted July 27, 2023 Author Moderators Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 3 hours ago, txsting said: Why are we so keen to get rid of Capela too? Okongwu is not a complete player, and I'm not sure he ever will be. If he doesn't develop some offensive game, what the hell is he even? On the plus side, strong character, big energy, fundamentally sound. On the minus side, no ability to stretch the floor, tweener size, limited offensive game (no faceup game, no middie, unexceptional handle and distribution). Of all the guys......he's one of them. Capela is what he is, but he at least is signed to a good deal. I'm afraid Kong will get massively overpaid and it will be Collins all over again. My assumption (and we will see) is that Snyder is going to want to do things with floor spacing and switching that are outside of CC's skillset and so moving to OO as the guy makes sense. Time will tell. Quin certainly did good work with Gobert who has some similar limitations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 I'm so sick of hearing about overrated ass Siakam You would think this dude is PRIME Shawn Kemp the way some of u talk about him. Good lawd, Overrated as hell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bonkers said: I'm so sick of hearing about overrated ass Siakam You would think this dude is PRIME Shawn Kemp the way some of u talk about him. Good lawd, Overrated as hell One of my take aways from this summer is nearly every player in the NBA getting paid is considered overrated. I'm personally tired of hearing how each player on a rookie contract is gonna turn into someone like Siakam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txsting Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 Good arguments for recouping value for Capela. I could see that as being a good option. Let's also consider the other way to go, which kg mentioned. Keep Capela, but reduce his role (and value) and drive up Okongwu value by giving him many of Capela's minutes. Then trade Kong at the height of his value and extend Capela on the cheap. If Kong really does take a huge leap you still have the option to sign him if there isn't a good trade out there. If he flounders you are protected by the prospect of extending Capela cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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